Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-15 Thread John Robertson
On 01/13/2016 4:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 01/13/2016 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: In the old days, the shitty kit TVs would have continuous tuners. In prewar days, it seems that there more than a couple of offerings. Didn't Meissner(they of the "Signal Shifter" VFO) offer a kit TV

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-15 Thread geneb
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, John Robertson wrote: I built one of the Heathkit colour TVs in time to watch the moon landings. I was 18 and built in one day (and night) and it worked from the first turn on. Lasted over twenty years as the main house set only needing service every few years until the

RE: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Raymond > Wiker > Sent: 14 January 2016 06:52 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Building a PC - then & now

RE: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Koning > Sent: 14 January 2016 00:58 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Building a PC - then & now

RE: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin > Sent: 14 January 2016 19:55 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Building a PC - then & now >

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Jochen Kunz
Am 14.01.16 um 11:09 schrieb Dave Wade: > I would say we have more freedom now than ever before. Perhaps Ghz > mother boards are beyond most people, but other than that there are > folks building every sort of computer, other than perhaps valve > machines. There is the MUNIAC:

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Howzbout an updated version similar to Cardiac? Or, a DIY kit for an Antikythera?

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Jerry Kemp
Sure you can build a car. Assuming I have the spare $, I could build a brand new 1969 Camaro. With out ever going to GM. Assuming you have the know how and skills, your biggest problem might be deciding which vendor your money will go to for various parts. Plenty of other US cars

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread ben
On 1/14/2016 12:24 PM, Jochen Kunz wrote: There is the MUNIAC: http://www.cray-cyber.org/hardware/Hardware.php Though, uncompleted. (IIRC they have the ALU mostly finished.) But still a "modern" design valve computer build by hobbyists. Some Geek-Porn: Arg! The PDF links are dead. How about

RE: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread Paul Birkel
[mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ben Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:00 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Building a PC - then & now On 1/14/2016 12:24 PM, Jochen Kunz wrote: > There is the MUNIAC: http://www.cray-cyber.org/hardware/Hardware.php > Though, uncomple

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread William Donzelli
> The radio kit they're selling is an embarassment. So was the O-1. -- Will

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-14 Thread geneb
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, Paul Koning wrote: On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote: Er...Heathkit is long gone. It was for a while. But it's back. Check out heathkit.com. The radio kit they're selling is an embarassment. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Raymond Wiker
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Murray McCullough < c.murray.mccullo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was reading in a dated magazine article on the "freedom to build(a > PC)": Well you can't build phone; can't build a car; can't build a > refrigerator; can't build a TV. Do we have the freedom to build

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Guy Sotomayor
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > Er...Heathkit is long gone. > > However, there are at least a few car guys that might have a thing or > two to say about the original post. > I agree. Kit cars are still around. ;-) I don’t know about how

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Ian S. King
Can't build a TV? Heathkit. On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:40 PM, ben wrote: > On 1/13/2016 3:29 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: > >> I was reading in a dated magazine article on the "freedom to build(a >> PC)": Well you can't build phone; can't build a car; can't build a >>

Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Murray McCullough
I was reading in a dated magazine article on the "freedom to build(a PC)": Well you can't build phone; can't build a car; can't build a refrigerator; can't build a TV. Do we have the freedom to build a computer? We did in the earliest days of the PC- the 8-bit era. Heck, that's all one could do!

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread ben
On 1/13/2016 3:29 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: I was reading in a dated magazine article on the "freedom to build(a PC)": Well you can't build phone; can't build a car; can't build a refrigerator; can't build a TV. Do we have the freedom to build a computer? We did in the earliest days of the

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread William Donzelli
Er...Heathkit is long gone. However, there are at least a few car guys that might have a thing or two to say about the original post. -- Will On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > Can't build a TV? Heathkit. > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:40 PM, ben

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/13/2016 04:29 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: I was reading in a dated magazine article on the "freedom to build(a PC)": Well you can't build phone; can't build a car; can't build a refrigerator; can't build a TV. Do we have the freedom to build a computer? We did in the earliest days of the

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Ian S. King
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > > On Jan 13, 2016, at 3:01 PM, William Donzelli > wrote: > > > > Er...Heathkit is long gone. > > > > However, there are at least a few car guys that might have a thing or > > two to say about

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread William Donzelli
> I don’t know about how easy it would be to build a TV (from scratch…something > Heathkit didn’t do BTW…tuner was pre-assembled and “tuned”) given that the > over-the-air signal is now a digital signal vs analog (ie I can’t recall if > there’s any > encryption involved that would require

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/13/2016 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: In the old days, the shitty kit TVs would have continuous tuners. In prewar days, it seems that there more than a couple of offerings. Didn't Meissner(they of the "Signal Shifter" VFO) offer a kit TV in the 30s/early 40s? I do remember the

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Paul Koning
Must be. New kits, old manuals, upgrades for old kits -- at least a brief glance gave me a pretty positive impression. paul > On Jan 13, 2016, at 8:07 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > Is that the guy that bought the Heath IP? > > -- > Will > > On Wed, Jan 13,

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread ben
On 1/13/2016 4:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: I don’t know about how easy it would be to build a TV (from scratch…something Heathkit didn’t do BTW…tuner was pre-assembled and “tuned”) given that the over-the-air signal is now a digital signal vs analog (ie I can’t recall if there’s any

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Ian S. King
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 01/13/2016 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > In the old days, the shitty kit TVs would have continuous tuners. >> > > In prewar days, it seems that there more than a couple of offerings. > Didn't Meissner(they of the

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread William Donzelli
Is that the guy that bought the Heath IP? -- Will On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> >> Er...Heathkit is long gone. > > It was for a while. But it's back. Check out

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread COURYHOUSE
I think the Pilot brand TV at the museum may be continuous and yes has chan 1 Ed! In a message dated 1/13/2016 5:54:46 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ccl...@sydex.com writes: On 01/13/2016 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > In the old days, the shitty kit TVs would have

Re: Building a PC - then & now

2016-01-13 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > Er...Heathkit is long gone. It was for a while. But it's back. Check out heathkit.com. paul

Heathkit (Re: Building a PC - then & now)

2016-01-13 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 1/13/2016 7:15 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > Must be. New kits, old manuals, upgrades for old kits -- at least a brief > glance gave me a pretty positive impression. > > paul > Meh. It has taken them, like, 5 years to come out with this seriously overpriced radio, and it isn't even