Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-10 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:11 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > What, is this a question akin to γνῶθι σεαυτόν? Βρείτε σεαυτόν? I don't > think it would take a Delphic oracle to do that. Loving the classical references. -ethan

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 21:41, ben via cctalk wrote: > > Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" floppies? Dude. Really. Pay attention. The author has been posting in this thread. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Can it still be registered? On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, ben via cctalk wrote: Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" floppies? That can rapidly turn into "Does he WANT to be found?" When he did a project, even a major one, it was with an implicit promise of a REASONABLE period of support. No

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 11/9/2020 3:10 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/9/20 12:41 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 11/9/2020 10:19 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: Can it still be registered? Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" floppies? What, is this a question akin to γνῶθι σεαυτόν? Βρείτε σεαυτόν?

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/9/20 12:41 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 11/9/2020 10:19 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > >> Can it still be registered? > > Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" floppies? What, is this a question akin to γνῶθι σεαυτόν? Βρείτε σεαυτόν? I don't think it would take a Delphic oracle to

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Can it still be registered?>Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" > floppies? > *** Will it NOT be lost in the mail with COVID 19 ***A deep > googlefu might find the author... just saying...;)

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 11/9/2020 10:19 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: Can it still be registered? Is the Author find able? Do he still have 8" floppies? *** Will it NOT be lost in the mail with COVID 19 *** Software today is the big if. The S-100 people are still making new cards for old hardware. http://www.s100

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/8/20 11:50 PM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, geneb wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: [...] I prefer my solution.  If you opt to format the second side, you'll end up clobbering the first si

RE: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Did you register your copy 15 years ago? If so, you're entitled to > free > updates. Just saying... Chuck, How do we know when new versions are out? And can we just dl them or do we have to ask for them? Thanks. -Ali

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-09 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/8/20 11:50 PM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, geneb wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > [...] >>> I prefer my solution.  If you opt to format the second side, you'll end >>> up clobbering the first side in the process.   But then, what does t

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-08 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, geneb wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: [...] I prefer my solution. If you opt to format the second side, you'll end up clobbering the first side in the process. But then, what does this bozo know? FYI Christian, in case you weren't aware the "bozo

Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-08 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, "Enrico email.it" wrote: So this for to read 1st face A: BEGIN MUP1 Mupid Seite 1 - SSSD 96 tpi 5.25" [...] And this for to read the other side B: BEGIN MUP2 Mupid Seite 2 - SSSD 96 tpi 5.25" [...] Absolutely correct :-) Christian

Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Chuck Guzis > Perhaps my mistake with 22Disk was not putting a line in that said "Me > fecit Carolus Guzis Anno MCMLXXXVII" or some such. Love the Michaelangelo reference. I'm curious as to how many others on the list got it. (It's carved into the strap on the Pieta. Apparentl

Re: R: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: First of all I would like to thank you all for every suggestion that comes from so much experience. I only know my Ferguson bigboard 1 pretty well The z80 based machine was called GENERAL PROCESSOR Model T year 1981. You can see it here: https

R: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Enrico email.it via cctalk
on the second / B side of the disk.! " Enrico -Messaggio originale- Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Fred Cisin via cctalk Inviato: venerdì 6 novembre 2020 20:41 A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per fa

Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/6/20 11:41 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Yes, we're all bozos on this bus.  ("Firesign Theater" fourth album) > But, when it comes to disk formats, > none of the rest of us bozos can compare to Chuck. I can claim size 13 feet, so I'm pretty much on the way to being a real Bozo. Perhap

Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine with CP / M. We saved an image with IMD and we know that the geometry of face A is IBM 3740 26x128x77 tracks. By inserting this data into the 22DISK definition file w

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/6/20 12:19 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: BEGIN MUP1  Mupid Seite 1 - SSSD 96 tpi 5.25" DENSITY FM ,LOW CYLINDERS 80 SIDES 1 SECTORS 10,256 SIDE1 0 0,2,4,6,8,1,3,5,7,9 BSH 4 BLM 15 EXM 1 DSM 96 DRM 127 AL0 0C0H AL1 0 OFS 3 END BEG

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/6/20 12:19 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > > BEGIN MUP1  Mupid Seite 1 - SSSD 96 tpi 5.25" > DENSITY FM ,LOW > CYLINDERS 80 > SIDES 1 > SECTORS 10,256 > SIDE1 0 0,2,4,6,8,1,3,5,7,9 > BSH 4 BLM 15 EXM 1 DSM 96 DRM 127 AL0 0C0H AL1 0 OFS 3 > END > > BEGIN MUP2  Mupid Seite 2 - SSSD 96

R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Enrico email.it via cctalk
r conto di Christian Corti via cctalk Inviato: venerdì 6 novembre 2020 09:20 A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, "Enrico email.it" wrote: > How should we configure 22disk to be able to do the same thing

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, "Enrico email.it" wrote: How should we configure 22disk to be able to do the same thing on the B side of the same floppy disk? Inserting Side 2 in the definition table is not enough Actually, it is almost that ;-) I have a similar system, the fl100 floppy drive system,

Re: R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-06 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
To elaborate on what I said earlier, consider the following set of definitions for the CPC-6128 as marketed by Schneider: BEGIN SCH1 Schneider CPC 6128 Side 1 - DSDD 5.25" DENSITY MFM, LOW CYLINDERS 40 SIDES 1 SECTORS 9,512 SIDE1 0 193,194,195,196,197,198,199,200,201 BSH 3 BLM 7 EXM 0 DSM 180 DRM

R: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread Enrico email.it via cctalk
lk Inviato: giovedì 5 novembre 2020 22:50 A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: > We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine > with CP / M. > The

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine with CP / M. The problem is that the firmware selects face A of the floppy as DRIVE A and face B of the same floppy as Drive B. We saved an image with IMD and we know th

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/5/20 2:31 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 11/5/2020 12:04 PM, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine with CP / M. The problem is that the firmware selects face A of the floppy as DRIVE A and face B of the same floppy as

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/5/20 11:31 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> Inserting Side 2 in the definition table is not enough >> >> Thanks Enrico - Pisa- Italy > > This local guy might know. > http://www.ummr.altervista.org/ > A good view of computer history, from the land of pasta. > Ben. Don't know who that guy

Re: Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread ben via cctalk
On 11/5/2020 12:04 PM, Enrico email.it via cctalk wrote: We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine with CP / M. The problem is that the firmware selects face A of the floppy as DRIVE A and face B of the same floppy as Drive B. We saved an image with IMD and we k

Floppy disk: one drive per face

2020-11-05 Thread Enrico email.it via cctalk
We are trying to read some floppy disk used on a 1981 Italian Z80 machine with CP / M. The problem is that the firmware selects face A of the floppy as DRIVE A and face B of the same floppy as Drive B. We saved an image with IMD and we know that the geometry of face A is IBM 3740 26x128x77 tr