Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > One could make a case that the > > wording of the license is imprecise enough > > The wording is only imprecise to those who do not wish to follow it. > It is, by

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > And with this, I am done. At least until this silly question comes up > again in the future as I am sure it will. > Yea. It's a lot like the folks claiming that the Caldera license grant was invalid

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 7/29/20 8:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > > > On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > >

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On 7/29/20 8:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" Bill. > Am I correct in

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> On Jul 29, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > How much of the IP does DEC need to own (the license is unclear on this > point)? Unless they conveyed the Copyrights to Supnik in writing (which is > possible), I would assume that's the case, given the notices that appear

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > > I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" > Bill. > > Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning > > that Bob

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On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" Bill. Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning that Bob Supnik one? John Wilson's Ersatz 11, aka E11, was and is a great functioning emulator, but not owned by

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I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" Bill. Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning that Bob Supnik one? John Wilson's Ersatz 11, aka E11, was and is a great functioning emulator, but not owned by DEC. Not arguing, just making sure I

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On 7/29/20 2:01 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: It also only covered SIMH until Bob Supnik left DEC. "MENTEC grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under MENTEC's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and

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On 29/07/2020 15:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: As pointed out by a note "provided by Stuart Brook of Mentec" that can be found on the Dbit web site there was work being done by Mentec in late 1999 on a potential Hobbyist License for the Software they somewhat controlled.  At that time

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On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: It also only covered SIMH until Bob Supnik left DEC. "MENTEC grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under MENTEC's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and copy the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY solely for personal,

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On 7/29/20 10:27 AM, Andrew Back via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: >> On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:37 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: or some simulation thereof. If they DID decide that they cared, they'd be within their right to go nuclear, but the odds of that happening are exceedingly low. The bad PR they'd attract by

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The current rights holders of VMS seem to be going in the right direction with Hobby freebies and reasonable friendly access to the OS..I guess they had Better curate the local VMS gurus as there are not a lot of them left on the planet. :) openVMS forever.. can’t wait for a dell cluster

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: or some simulation thereof. If they DID decide that they cared, they'd be within their right to go nuclear, but the odds of that happening are exceedingly low. The bad PR they'd attract by running down a bunch of poor hobbyists wouldn't

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In practical terms, I suspect that running VMS on a VAX (real or emulated) will end up a lot like running DEC's PDP-11 software. Not technically legal, but also not a practical problem, because the people who own the rights simply don't care and aren't going to waste their time and resources

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On 7/29/20 10:13 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: This supposed Mentec Hobbyist License has been obsolete and invalid for decades.  It never covered use on real PDP-11 hardware.  It was only valid for one particular emulator which

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know

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On 29/07/2020 14:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: This supposed Mentec Hobbyist License has been obsolete and invalid for decades.  It never covered use on real PDP-11 hardware.  It was only valid for one particular emulator which ceased to exist the day Bob Supnik left DEC.  I I think

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On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but it's not really different to

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 9:19 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but it's not really

Re: OpenVMS Community License

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will > work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but > it's not really different to running PDP-11 software is it

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 28/07/2020 19:11, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:47 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk >> wrote: >> The question that will be answered when someone gets the VSI CLP PAKs is >> will those PAKS work on an older version of OpenVMS? The Hobbyist PAKs >> produced

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> > Do the existing Alpha PAKs work on VSI's latest release? If a VSI release > recognises a PAK with PRODUCER=DEC then presumably that would be a > problem? Although since VSI are covering that same area with hobbyist > licences then that's really a non-issue. I suspect that HPe have other fish

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On 29/07/2020 03:05, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: That's pretty much what I expected.  This also means that anyone wanting to run OpenVMS AXP V1.x, 6.x, 7.x and 8.3 or 8.4 is dead in the water after Dec 31st 2020.  Not sure why you would want to, but I'd wager there is always someone

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/28/2020 1:11 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:47 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: The question that will be answered when someone gets the VSI CLP PAKs is will those PAKS work on an older version of OpenVMS?  The Hobbyist PAKs

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Can someone please post a link to some text describing the new licensing >> program and how to apply to it? >> >> Just sending a video isn't useful for everyone. >> >> —

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On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > > Can someone please post a link to some text describing the new licensing > program and how to apply to it? > > Just sending a video isn't useful for everyone. > > — Chris Honestly, Camiel’s answer on my one question provides

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Can someone please post a link to some text describing the new licensing program and how to apply to it? Just sending a video isn't useful for everyone. -- Chris

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On 7/28/20 9:39 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: Not supported, sure, but it will probably work just fine. When we released 8.4-2L1 I tested it on DEC 3000 AXP and DEC 4000 AXP systems, and it ran fine on those. Kind regards, Camiel Vanderhoeven  VMS Software, Inc. R Department

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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:47 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk > wrote: > The question that will be answered when someone gets the VSI CLP PAKs is will > those PAKS work on an older version of OpenVMS? The Hobbyist PAKs produced > by Compaq and HP have always worked on current and older

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/28/2020 11:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 7/28/20 12:01 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: This leaves those of us using VAX emulation high and dry, still. HP was unwilling to let VSE offer VAX licenses. Are there any good

Re: OpenVMS Community License

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk > wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon > wrote: >> >> On 7/28/20 12:01 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >>> I just applied for licenses, I’m curious to see what software is included, >>> and if it opens up a newer version of

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On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > On 7/28/20 12:01 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >> I just applied for licenses, I’m curious to see what software is included, >> and if it opens up a newer version of OpenVMS/Alpha than HP was offering. >> I’m also wondering if these licenses

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On 7/28/20 12:01 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: This leaves those of us using VAX emulation high and dry, still. HP was unwilling to let VSE offer VAX licenses. Are there any good free/cheap Alpha emulations that are at least as functional

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On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: > > This leaves those of us using VAX emulation high and dry, still. HP was > unwilling to let VSE offer VAX licenses. Are there any good free/cheap > Alpha emulations that are at least as functional as SIMH is for VAX stuff? > That

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This leaves those of us using VAX emulation high and dry, still. HP was unwilling to let VSE offer VAX licenses. Are there any good free/cheap Alpha emulations that are at least as functional as SIMH is for VAX stuff? That may be the way forward, at least until the x86 version ships. Do any of

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020, Lee Courtney via cctalk wrote: FYI...new VMS community license. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2n2RlNVtw There's nothing indicating that in the video description or comments. You sure it's the right video? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com

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On 7/28/20 10:15 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: Is that the right link? The video I saw was talking about setting up failover in clusters. Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 10:04 AM Lee Courtney via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: FYI...new VMS community license.

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At 09:03 AM 7/28/2020, you wrote: >FYI...new VMS community license. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2n2RlNVtw Titled "Failover Mechanism". Did you mean "VSI Community License Program" dated 7/28/2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjFIASH87s

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Is that the right link? The video I saw was talking about setting up failover in clusters. Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 10:04 AM Lee Courtney via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > FYI...new VMS community license. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2n2RlNVtw > > -- > Lee Courtney >

OpenVMS Community License

FYI...new VMS community license. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2n2RlNVtw -- Lee Courtney