Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-22 Thread Erik Baigar via cctalk
Hi Bill, thanks for your reply. It would be cool to see this brochure - can you put it on a scanner? So you did not work with those yourself? Thanks again, Erik. Am 22. Oktober 2018 08:38:14 GMT-06:00 schrieb Bill Degnan : >While we are on the subject of Rolm I was curious and found in my docs

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-22 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
While we are on the subject of Rolm I was curious and found in my docs library a Rolm 1601 Sales brochure with some tech info/parts/prices. Heavy duty machines for sure. Bill On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:25 PM Erik Baigar via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Hi Paul, thanks for your repl

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-21 Thread Erik Baigar via cctalk
Hi Tom, thanks for getting in touch. I got some hardware and documentation from PWA as they wanted to get rid of all the small portion which remained. I focused on the 16 bit machines so I have 1602 (forwarded 1602b to a colleague) and a mse14. All restored to working condition. With two collea

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-21 Thread Erik Baigar via cctalk
Hi Paul, thanks for your reply - good to see that there are still guys out there who worked with this heavy iron. So you have been in the UK while working with the Rolm? I guess it was a 1602B or later and pesumably some airborne early warning stuff? Best wishes, Erik. Am 21. Oktober 2018 03:

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-21 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I was at the DG factory school at Southbourgh in 76 or 77, and worked on a ROLM NOVA while at RAF Chicksands in the late 70s. Unfortunately, my EX through out all of the manuals, prints, etc along with a complete set of SAGE (ANFSQ-7) docs. Paul On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 3:38 AM Thomas Hollowell vi

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2018-10-21 Thread Thomas Hollowell via cctalk
Hi Eric, My name is Tom Hollowell. I took the US support of Rolm in 1998. PWA assumed the international. I noticed that you have some ROLM hardware. I may be interested in finding out what you have. Let me know, Thanks, Tom Sent from my iPhone

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-05 Thread Erik Baigar
On Thu, 5 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: [snip] displays, i.e., ones with analog video) that drastically reduces the emissions from the video signal. It was created by Markus Kuhn and Ross Anderson at U. Cambridge. https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/emsec/softtempest-faq.html Quite interestin

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-05 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 5, 2016, at 4:53 AM, Erik Baigar wrote: > > > > On Tue, 3 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> A set of standards for allowed levels of emissions (in particular, >> electro-magnetic radiation) from communication/computing gear, intended to >> prevent listening to the activity of that g

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-05 Thread Erik Baigar
On Tue, 3 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: A set of standards for allowed levels of emissions (in particular, electro-magnetic radiation) from communication/computing gear, intended to prevent listening to the activity of that gear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename) Thanks, ver

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-05 Thread Erik Baigar
Google JETDS. It will tell all. Thanks - that is the perfect link. There is some information on the AN/AYK-14, an airborne computer, on the web... On May 3, 2016 4:35 PM, "Erik Baigar" wrote: IIRC we sold a bunch of 1666Bs to the US Navy in YUK/something nomenclature). 1666s are kn

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-04 Thread Peter Coghlan
Paul Koning wrote: > > > On May 3, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > > > ... The system has been modified over time, with some types (e.g. > > carrier pigeon -B-) dropped > > But then where does that leave RFC 1149 compliant networks? > > paul > Up in the air would be my guess.

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 3, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > ... The system has been modified over time, with some types (e.g. > carrier pigeon -B-) dropped But then where does that leave RFC 1149 compliant networks? paul

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
... The system has been modified over time, with some types (e.g. carrier pigeon -B-) dropped JETDS is one of the few things that have survived, although one had to use their imagination on a few things. On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:37 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > Google JETDS. > > It will tell all

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Erik Baigar
On Tue, 3 May 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: [snip] A 1602B can hold 64kW of memory (only accessible via a banking function proprietary to Rolm, so not usable e.g. for RDOS). I thought the 16xx did it the same way Keronix and DCC did it -- by limiting indirection to one level and then using

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Erik Baigar >> as was coming up with something that could be both EMP-survivable and >> TEMPEST-worthy. > TEMPEST? A set of standards for allowed levels of emissions (in particular, electro-magnetic radiation) from communication/computing gear, intended to prevent listen

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Erik Baigar
On Tue, 3 May 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: On 5/3/16 12:14, William Donzelli wrote: [ snip ] (and also not so freaking heavy!). Yes, these are extremely heavy - the 1602 with the additional 24kW memory extension can only be transported over larger distances using a barrow. It is not t

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread William Donzelli
Google JETDS. It will tell all. -- Will On May 3, 2016 4:35 PM, "Erik Baigar" wrote: > > IIRC we sold a bunch of 1666Bs to the US Navy in YUK/something >>> nomenclature). >>> >> >> 1666s are known as AN/UYK-64. >> > > Yes and the 1602 was the AN/UYK-19. > > land and ship installations, thus the

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Erik Baigar
IIRC we sold a bunch of 1666Bs to the US Navy in YUK/something nomenclature). 1666s are known as AN/UYK-64. Yes and the 1602 was the AN/UYK-19. land and ship installations, thus the "U". If they were primarily for aircraft installations, they would have been "AN/A**" and not "AN/U**" (and

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 5/3/16 12:14, William Donzelli wrote: > Nitpick: the Rolm 1600s are not really avionics machines, although > certainly quite a lot were put in aircraft. The military put them on > land and ship installations, thus the "U". If they were primarily for > aircraft installations, they would have b

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread William Donzelli
> IIRC we sold a bunch of 1666Bs to the US Navy in YUK/something > nomenclature). 1666s are known as AN/UYK-64. Nitpick: the Rolm 1600s are not really avionics machines, although certainly quite a lot were put in aircraft. The military put them on land and ship installations, thus the "U". If the

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 5/3/16 08:41, Erik Baigar wrote: [snip] > Yours seems to have TTY in slot 13 and there are 5 IO slots (15- > 11) as on the original 1602 (1602B has got more due to the re- > duced number of PCBs in the CPU). The CPI controlling the panel in > your case is at the very end opposite to the pow

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Erik Baigar
Hi Bob, many thanks for your email and for sharing the photos. Obviously the 1603 has a different processor card set (5604 as can be seen from your photographs). So this is quite interesting as it shows, that the chronology was 1602 (9 PCB processor), 1603 (5604, 4 PCB procrssor), 1602B (5605,

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-03 Thread Erik Baigar
Hi Chris, thanks for the additional explanations. in the hardware lab, 99.999% of ARTS/32 (and all of the Marvin) development took place on commercial DG hardware -- MV/8000s for ARTS/32, MV/1s for Marvin (with MV/4000s used as target machines). OK, that is helpful information - Stephen

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-01 Thread Bob Rosenbloom
On 4/27/2016 10:12 PM, Erik Baigar wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can toggle in stuff from the front panel. http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg Very cool, Bob - we have been in touch seom years

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-01 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 5/1/16 04:10, Erik Baigar wrote: > sorry, but there emerged more questions from my side ;-) It's a trip down memory lane ;) > > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: > >> Hawk, but not the odd S/140 and MV/8000 punches) and software (ARTS, >> ARTS/32) were ROLM designs. > > I on

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-01 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 4/30/16 07:18, Erik Baigar wrote: > That sounds very interesting - although I do not know much about the > Hawk/32 it sounds to be a very interesting machine. It was quite advanced at the time, thanks in no small part to the efforts of Kamran Malik, Michael (Farbod) Raam and others. > I do

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-01 Thread Erik Baigar
Hi Chris, sorry, but there emerged more questions from my side ;-) On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: Hawk, but not the odd S/140 and MV/8000 punches) and software (ARTS, ARTS/32) were ROLM designs. I only know ARTS from ads being sold on eBay - this is some form od Ada developm

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-30 Thread Erik Baigar
Many thanks Chris for all the interesting recollections! On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: internally was utterly unrelated to AOS/VS; it was the software effort that matched the Hawk/32 hardware effort (software was downstairs on the That sounds very interesting - although I do

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-29 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 4/29/16 01:08, Erik Baigar wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: > >> I was a staff engineer at ROLM MSC between '82 - '86. By that time by >> any reasonable measure MSC and telecomm were two utterly different >> companies that happened to have common parentage; techno

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-29 Thread Charles Anthony
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: > >> >> >> IIRC the most interesting thing about the CBX was that it could do so >> much with so little hardware (relative to other switches of the time) >> thanks to TDM of the 12-bit bus throug

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-29 Thread Erik Baigar
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: I was a staff engineer at ROLM MSC between '82 - '86. By that time by any reasonable measure MSC and telecomm were two utterly different companies that happened to have common parentage; technology cross-over [Another snip] OK, so you are an in

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-29 Thread Erik Baigar
Many thanks for the explanations, so your SCBX is bigger than I thought ;-) You hobby of collecting phones and having the SCBX perfectly match and keep us up to date if you receive the first call from an external paricipant. ;-) while designing a media gateway to sit on the ROLMbus would be a

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-28 Thread Sean Caron
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: On 4/28/16 17:45, Sean Caron wrote: [big snip] I find the design of the CBX really interesting. IMO, their appearance belies that ROLM was a computer vendor first a a phone equipment maker second. Not in a perjorative sense, just stylistically.

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-28 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 4/28/16 17:45, Sean Caron wrote: [big snip] > I find the design of the CBX really interesting. IMO, their appearance > belies that ROLM was a computer vendor first a a phone equipment maker > second. Not in a perjorative sense, just stylistically. Comparing them > against boards from WECo/AT

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-28 Thread Sean Caron
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Erik Baigar wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Caron wrote: I don't have any ROLM computers (not that I wouldn't love one) but I am proud to say that I have a complete ROLM SCBX 8000. I've tried to take some pictures and compile some information on my personal site: ht

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Erik Baigar
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Curious Marc I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 1601 "ReggedNova" base system, option cards, instructions, etc. Hi Marc, do you have got this in digital form? It would be interesting to see the difference between 1601 and the later ones. I can o

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Erik Baigar
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Caron wrote: I don't have any ROLM computers (not that I wouldn't love one) but I am proud to say that I have a complete ROLM SCBX 8000. I've tried to take some pictures and compile some information on my personal site: http://wildflower.diablonet.net/~scaron/rolmfi

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Erik Baigar
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can toggle in stuff from the front panel. http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg Very cool, Bob - we have been in touch seom years ago and great, that your machine is still

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread william degnan
> > >> I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 1601 "ReggedNova" base > system, option cards, instructions, etc. > -- > > > > Sorry I mean "RuggedNova"

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread william degnan
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Curious Marc wrote: > Nice! > Marc > > I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can > toggle in stuff from the front panel. > http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg > > Bob > > > I have a sales / tech details guide 1970 Rolm 160

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Curious Marc
Nice! Marc I have my Rolm 1603 working. No peripherals hooked to it, but you can toggle in stuff from the front panel. http://dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/rolm1603_f.jpg Bob

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Sean Caron
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: On 4/26/2016 11:23 PM, Erik Baigar wrote: Well - "are out there" I agree, but do you know of any PRIVATELY owned and ALIVE machines? There is lot of PDP* discussion here, but it is very hard to get in touch with people being working on Rolm stuff. Of

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-27 Thread Bob Rosenbloom
On 4/26/2016 11:23 PM, Erik Baigar wrote: Well - "are out there" I agree, but do you know of any PRIVATELY owned and ALIVE machines? There is lot of PDP* discussion here, but it is very hard to get in touch with people being working on Rolm stuff. Of course: In contrast to a non-working PDP8 (w

Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-04-26 Thread Erik Baigar
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, William Donzelli wrote: On the world there is probably only my 12 bit freely programmable Elliott 900 still alive, I know of as little as 6 Rolms (privately owned, all variants) and less than 5 of the inertial navigators. If you are talking about the various Rolm 1600 ser