Re: TU-58 support under Unix

none of the available PDP-11 Unixes support the TU-58? I have looked at Ultrix-11, V7M and BSD 2.11 (didn't try 2.9 but I suspect if it isn't in 2.11 it wasn't in 2.9) and none of them had support for the TU-58. Seems to me it would have been a rather simple device to handle as it ran over

Re: TU-58 support under Unix

On 2/3/19 5:13 PM, GREEN wrote: > I built support under V6 all in user space. That would be in the early 1980s > and I don’t recall it being very difficult. I suspect others did that as > well. Have you tried looking in the USENIX tapes? > I will probably look at writing a driver once I have

Re: TU-58 support under Unix

wrote: > >> On 2/3/19 3:41 PM, Aaron Jackson wrote: >> TU-58 support wouldn't need to be in the kernel, it could easily run in >> user space. Perhaps someone had written an application in user-space to >> dump TU-58 tapes. > > I was looking for a device driver and wh

Re: TU-58 support under Unix

On 2/3/19 3:41 PM, Aaron Jackson wrote: > TU-58 support wouldn't need to be in the kernel, it could easily run in > user space. Perhaps someone had written an application in user-space to > dump TU-58 tapes. I was looking for a device driver and when I didn't find it I looked at SPD's an

Re: TU-58 support under Unix

TU-58 support wouldn't need to be in the kernel, it could easily run in user space. Perhaps someone had written an application in user-space to dump TU-58 tapes. Aaron. Bill Gunshannon via cctalk writes: > Here's a question for someone who has been around long enough to > remember. >

Re: TU-58 support under Unix

> From: Bill Gunshannon > Why did none of the available PDP-11 Unixes support the TU-58? > I have looked at Ultrix-11, V7M and BSD 2.11 The 'TUHS' list might be more likely turn up the reasoning? Noel

TU-58 support under Unix

Here's a question for someone who has been around long enough to remember. Why did none of the available PDP-11 Unixes support the TU-58? I have looked at Ultrix-11, V7M and BSD 2.11 (didn't try 2.9 but I suspect if it isn't in 2.11 it wasn't in 2.9) and none of them had support for the TU-58

Re: TU-58 in simh

on >>>> PDP-11s. However, I'm not seeing it in a show dev and my >>>> google-fu is failing me to find any info on how to use it. Any >>>> pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> BLS >>>>

RE: TU-58 in simh

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Don North via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 10:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: TU-58 in simh On 4/21/2017 6:55 PM, allison

Re: TU-58 in simh

n how to use it. Any >> pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? >> >> TIA, >> BLS >> > Using simh v4.0 from github, in the PDP11 simh ini file: > > *set tdc enable** > **attach tdc0 tu58.dsk* > > then assuming tu58.dsk is a bootable image: > &

Re: TU-58 in simh

me to find any info on how to use it.  Any >> pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? > > Using simh v4.0 from github, in the PDP11 simh ini file: Thanks much. I was using v3.9 which is why I couldn't find it. Not everything is working yet, but at least it's loading and running the boot block. BLS

Re: TU-58 in simh

any info on how to use it. Any pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? TIA, BLS Using simh v4.0 from github, in the PDP11 simh ini file: *set tdc enable** **attach tdc0 tu58.dsk* then assuming tu58.dsk is a bootable image: *boot tdc0* Only two units 0,1 are supported (just like a real dual

Re: TU-58 in simh

on how to boot from a TU-58 image? TIA, BLS Using simh v4.0 from github, in the PDP11 simh ini file: set tdc enable attach tdc0 tu58.dsk then assuming tu58.dsk is a bootable image: boot tdc0 Only two units 0,1 are supported (just like a real dual drive) and the images must be 262,144

Re: TU-58 in simh

On 4/21/2017 4:25 PM, Brian L. Stuart via cctalk wrote: I've seen suggestion that TU-58s are emulated in simh on PDP-11s. However, I'm not seeing it in a show dev and my google-fu is failing me to find any info on how to use it. Any pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? TIA, BLS Using

TU-58 in simh

I've seen suggestion that TU-58s are emulated in simh on PDP-11s. However, I'm not seeing it in a show dev and my google-fu is failing me to find any info on how to use it. Any pointers on how to boot from a TU-58 image? TIA, BLS

Re: TU-58

ace of the nasty black mess. So I put everything back and turned on. Lo and Behold LED on the board flashed once and stayed on. I had been told (Tony D I think) thats what its supposed to do. Anybody know whats the quickest way to test a TU-58? As expected, my approach will always be ba

Re: TU-58

On 06/12/2015 17:27, Jerome H. Fine wrote: In addition, even before that, you must match the CSR and VECTOR with the DL port you are using. On a Qbus system with a DLV11-J, usually the first DL port is: SET DD CSR=176500 SET DD VECTOR=300 On a PDP-11/23, there is an extra port at: SET DD

Re: TU-58

On 2015-12-07 10:24, Pete Turnbull wrote: On 06/12/2015 17:27, Jerome H. Fine wrote: In addition, even before that, you must match the CSR and VECTOR with the DL port you are using. On a Qbus system with a DLV11-J, usually the first DL port is: SET DD CSR=176500 SET DD VECTOR=300 On a

Re: TU-58

yed on. I had been told (Tony D I think) thats what its supposed to do. Anybody know whats the quickest way to test a TU-58? As expected, my approach will always be based on using RT-11. There are DD(X).SYS device drivers available up to V05.04G of RT-11. If you are able to boot one of th

Re: TU-58

nce and stayed on. I had been told (Tony D I think) thats what its supposed to do. Anybody know whats the quickest way to test a TU-58? As expected, my approach will always be based on using RT-11. There are DD(X).SYS device drivers available up to V05.04G of RT-11. If you are able to boot

RE: TU-58

> > TU58 's is ready to test. I tried it in a spare serial port on a VS 3100. > Result nothing. I suspect the port is 423 and the tu58 232. Actually the TU58 serial port has the differential driver and receivers used on the later serial ports. It should talk to DECs version of RS423 with no

Re: TU-58

On 2015-12-05 13:29, tony duell wrote: TU58 's is ready to test. I tried it in a spare serial port on a VS 3100. Result nothing. I suspect the port is 423 and the tu58 232. Actually the TU58 serial port has the differential driver and receivers used on the later serial ports. It should talk

Re: TU-58

And we have a runner.. it was set for 19.2k A quick change of config.sys and off we go. I have only one cartridge so no tape to tape Pc to tape works. So now to find one of my systems with a spare serial port R On 05/12/15 16:15, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-12-05 13:29, tony duell wrote:

RE: TU-58

rial ports. It should talk to DECs version of RS423 with no > > problems at all. > > Not only that, but you can normally go between 232 and 423 with no > problem. I suspect there is something else wrong with the port, or the > software... So do I Firstly, what are the j

Re: TU-58

Hi At the moment I have it connected to an old laptop running msdos and gizmos driver for same. Its showing signs of life at 38400. I have BOB in circuit and can see the commands going to it. Some times it responds and sometimes it does not. Rod On 05/12/15 12:29, tony duell wrote:

TU-58

. Anybody know whats the quickest way to test a TU-58? Rod

Re: TU-58

On 12/4/15 6:40 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I seem to recall that the "roller" in the cartridge also turns to goo, might want to check that out also. Nope, it's hard plastic. They have been known to have crescents worn into them if the tape jams and it can't spin against the pinch roller

Re: TU-58

it in place of the nasty black mess. > >So I put everything back and turned on. Lo and Behold LED on the board > >flashed once and stayed on. > > > >I had been told (Tony D I think) thats what its supposed to do. > > > >Anybody know whats the quickest way to test

Re: TU-58

d LED on the board >flashed once and stayed on. > >I had been told (Tony D I think) thats what its supposed to do. > >Anybody know whats the quickest way to test a TU-58? Put a cartridge in and if the belt in the cartridge breaks, it's working ;-) Chris -- Chris Elmquist

Re: TU-58

Yes thats right nothing soft inside the case. On 04/12/2015 15:28, Al Kossow wrote: On 12/4/15 6:40 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I seem to recall that the "roller" in the cartridge also turns to goo, might want to check that out also. Nope, it's hard plastic. They have been known to have

Re: TU-58 (TU-10)

On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 12:31:42PM -0600, Paul Anderson wrote: > > Any one have ideas for a TU10 or other tape drive capstans? > I went with http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/. Since the TU10 just wraps the tape around the capstan it needs to be pretty high friction. The material used was a

RE: TU-58

> > Hi Tony > Thats interesting I had thought about a model makers lathe. > I have a pillar drill and the usual set of tools. I am darn glad I asked for a lathe instead of a car (and driving lessons) when my late father offered to buy me the latter. I still can't drive, but I don't

Re: TU-58

Hi My late uncle had a Myford in a shed at my Grandmothers house in Norfolk. By the time I was tall enough to use it he had moved it to his house down the road TU58 's is ready to test. I tried it in a spare serial port on a VS 3100. Result nothing. I suspect the port is 423 and the tu58

Re: TU-58

23:20 Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Onderwerp: Re: TU-58 Hi Well it certainly works for you Rik. I dont speak Dutch and its not clear exactly which of the products you refer to. The end of hub appears to have been turned on a lathe. So if you speak Dutch and have

RE: TU-58

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Chuck Guzis > Verzonden: woensdag 2 december 2015 23:24 > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Onderwerp: Re: TU-58 > > On 12/02/2015 01:51 PM, Rik Bos wrote: > >

RE: TU-58

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Rod Smallwood > Verzonden: woensdag 2 december 2015 23:20 > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Onderwerp: Re: TU-58 > > Hi > Well it certainly wor

RE: TU-58

> Thanks .. > That helps. > > 1. The hub measures about 11mm so I should be able to get a 10mm >bore hose on (warm it up a bit might help) . Yep. > 2. What type of glue is best? I use 2k but in the past I used PU-glue, both works fine. > 3. You can see how thick the old

Pi (was: Re: TU-58)

On Dec 2, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > You need to measure more of them! You've just been unlucky. > > Johnny Unfair advantage! Johnny might actually have driven through Hagfors or Uddeholm! (Also 60° N)

Pi (was: Re: TU-58)

On Dec 2, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational > reason why dividing the circumference by the diameter never came out even! :-) Howzabout: go to Fort Smith, NT, Canada (or thereabouts, 60° N) Walk or

RE: TU-58

> > I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational > reason why dividing the circumference by the diameter never came out even! > :-) Groan! -tony

RE: TU-58

> Hi > Well it certainly works for you Rik. > I dont speak Dutch and its not clear exactly which of the products you > refer to. > The end of hub appears to have been turned on a lathe. > So if you speak Dutch and have a nice big lathe in your shed you can fix > your TU58 Surely you don't

Re: TU-58

Great! We take it off list from here. Very nice work on the HP by the way! /Anders > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:04:55 +0100 > From: Rik Bos <hp-...@xs4all.nl> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cct...@classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: TU-58 > Messa

Re: Pi (was: Re: TU-58)

I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational reason why dividing the circumference by the diameter never came out even! :-) On Thu, 3 Dec 2015, Tapley, Mark wrote: Howzabout: go to Fort Smith, NT, Canada (or thereabouts, 60? N) Walk or swim as appropriate,

Re: TU-58

Hi Tony Thats interesting I had thought about a model makers lathe. I have a pillar drill and the usual set of tools. I did start out as a mechanical engineer and my top subjects at school were metalwork and technical drawing. My metalwork master put me in for those subjects in GCE

Re: TU-58

Hi Guys Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore are an entity. Its a little more complex with a rubber wheel and its indented path. However as we are using closed loop control when the measured term equals the target term there you are. You can get into loop

Re: TU-58

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. > Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! Yep. > I know this issue has been addressed before. Yep. > S

Re: TU-58

the panels I have a couple of days for a little project I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! I know this issue has been addressed before. So I think somebody must know where I can get the right tubing to replace

Re: TU-58

Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. On 12/2/2015 11:06 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Actually, it's the circumference that matters, not the diameter. I always thought that there was a relatively stable

Re: TU-58

> On Dec 2, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > Thanks Jay >Yes there's an optical encoder on the other end of the motor. > Depending on the pressure of the roller on the cassette drive wheel it will > deform more or less. > That

Re: TU-58

:40 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Dear List > While the silk screeners process the panels I have a > couple of days for a little project > I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. > Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! > &

Re: TU-58

I say.. come on chaps.. this is not math 101. Any more suggestions for sources of a bit of rubber tube? Rod Smallwood On 02/12/2015 16:13, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. On 12/2/2015 11:06 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2

Re: TU-58

I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I phrased it made a mess of things. The real question: for rubber rollers in this sort of application, does the distortion that occurs significantly affect the circumference? Or is the nature

Re: TU-58

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. Well, I put "emoticons" in, in a futile attempt to indicate that I was joking. ("emoticon captioned for the humo[u]r impaired") I also hoped that the "in some states" would give a further hint to that. I

RE: TU-58

> > Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore > are an entity. > Its a little more complex with a rubber wheel and its indented path. Indeed. And that may even depend on the type of 'rubber' used and how it deforms when pressed against the cartridge drive wheel.

Re: TU-58

I'd rarther get a bit of tube for my TU58. Hint The key is to understand the nature of elasticity in particular the rate change with respect to time. On 02/12/2015 16:48, Paul Koning wrote: I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I

Re: TU-58

o a >> reasonable O.D. size (IIRC). Worked great. >> >> I don't know that the diameter is absolutely critical - I think it has >> some kind of speed encoding. >> >> On 12/2/2015 6:40 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: >>> Dear List >>> While the

Re: TU-58

In my case the roller does not distort noticeably - it was pretty stiff material. JRJ On 12/2/2015 10:48 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. > > I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I phrased it made a mess > of things. The real question:

Re: TU-58

hile the silk screeners process the panels I have a > > couple of days for a little project > > I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. > > Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! > > > > I know this issue has been addressed be

Re: TU-58

Sorry forgot to use feed back from the tape. Usually a timing track or a phase locked loop clock drived from the data stream. Don't worry On 02/12/2015 17:50, tony duell wrote: Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore are an entity. Its a little more complex

RE: TU-58

20:51 Aan: "cct...@classiccmp.org" <cct...@classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: TU-58 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:40:08 + > From: Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctal

Re: TU-58

On 12/02/2015 01:51 PM, Rik Bos wrote: It's not the first time this discussion comes around.. Poly Urethane rubber, it's called in dutch 'precisie buis/slang' and you can get it in several sizes from 6mm to . large http://www.deboerit.nl/ is my supplier it's a local firm. That's curious--when

Re: TU-58

I don't know that the diameter is absolutely critical - I think it has >> some kind of speed encoding. >> >> On 12/2/2015 6:40 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: >>> Dear List >>> While the silk screeners process the panels I have a >>> coupl

Re: TU-58

the search goes on. Rod On 02/12/2015 21:51, Rik Bos wrote: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens tony duell Verzonden: woensdag 2 december 2015 22:29 Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Onderwerp: RE: TU-58 This is the picture.. https

RE: TU-58

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens tony duell > Verzonden: woensdag 2 december 2015 22:29 > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Onderwerp: RE: TU-58 > > > > > This is the picture.. > >

Re: TU-58

> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:40:08 + > From: Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: TU-58 > Message-ID: <565ee6a8.2030...@btinternet.com> >

RE: TU-58

> > This is the picture.. > https://www.flickr.com/photos/hp-fix/9452805294/in/album-72157634959418702/ > I'm using a special kind of hose, which is precisely made. OK, what is it called, who makes it, and where can you buy it? -tony

Re: TU-58

I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational reason why dividing the circumference by the diameter never came out even! :-) On Thu, 3 Dec 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: You need to measure more of them! You've just been unlucky. OK! I started to wonder whether I

Re: TU-58

On 2015-12-03 00:22, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. That's of a CIRCLE, and once you deform it, it ceases to be a circle. I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find

TU-58

Dear List While the silk screeners process the panels I have a couple of days for a little project I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! I know this issue has been addressed before. So I think