Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-13 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctech
Another consideration with the TC02 is the small buffer. I don't know what tape speed your drive runs at, but we lost a lot of sales to Dilog because of buffer overflow on some of the faster CDC dirves.  When we came out with the TC03, it had a larger buffer to handle this. cheers, Nigel

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/12/19 8:11 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > The bad news is that the cable lengths must be short to use the Qualstar > 1260 with a PDP11, the good news is that I can lift and carry the tape > drive!  For many of us in this hobby that it is extremely important. > > After looking at

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctech
On 08/11/2019 08:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: This is where the electrical engineer could help. How do you determine how long a cable the 74LS240 can drive? Well, there are several considerations. First, it takes some current to charge up the cable capacitance. More current

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-12 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/12/2019 1:25 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: On 8/11/19 8:51 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: The TC02 is an Emulex TS11 emulation for pertec interface tape drives. The J1 and J2 are sort of standard terminology, don't know why. Ah, the *Emulex* TC02. You had me going there--DEC

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-12 Thread Glen Slick via cctech
On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:44 PM Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: > > On 8/11/19 6:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > > > I just looked at the TC02 and the Qualstar, there are termination > > resistor packs on each. The Qualstar has a bunch of 74LS240 IC's near > > the J1 and J2 pertec

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 8:51 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > > The TC02 is an Emulex TS11 emulation for pertec interface tape drives.  > The J1 and J2 are sort of standard terminology, don't know why. Ah, the *Emulex* TC02. You had me going there--DEC also has a DECtape controller called the TC02.

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/11/2019 10:44 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: On 8/11/19 6:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: I just looked at the TC02 and the Qualstar, there are termination resistor packs on each.  The Qualstar has a bunch of 74LS240 IC's near the J1 and J2 pertec interface cables.  The TC02

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 6:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > I just looked at the TC02 and the Qualstar, there are termination > resistor packs on each.  The Qualstar has a bunch of 74LS240 IC's near > the J1 and J2 pertec interface cables.  The TC02 has a bunch of 74LS374 > chips near the J1 and J2

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/11/2019 7:01 PM, Jon Elson via cctech wrote: On 08/11/2019 11:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: I seem to remember they were ribbon cables with each odd/even pair twisted which probably meant one active and one ground twisted together. Or differential pairs. No, both Pertec unformatted and

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctech
On 08/11/2019 11:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: I seem to remember they were ribbon cables with each odd/even pair twisted which probably meant one active and one ground twisted together. Or differential pairs. No, both Pertec unformatted and Pertec formatted interfaces were TTL single-ended.

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 9:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: >> All of my Pertec tape drives (in the past) were located in > a differentrack from the actual computer so the cables were > always over 10' long and usually close to if not 20'. Never > had a problem. I stand by my commentary re Qualstar 1xxx drives.

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread W2HX via cctech
_ From: cctech on behalf of Bill Gunshannon via cctech Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 9:59 AM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length On 8/11/19 9:07 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: >> Would folding the > excess cable up and covering with anti-static plastic hel

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctech
/even pair twisted which probably meant one active and one ground twisted together. > > From: cctech on behalf of Douglas Taylor via > cctech > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:33 AM > To: Jon Elson; On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Pertec In

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Glen Slick via cctech
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 9:46 AM Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > > I bought the long cables off ebay, so they have to be good? Right? I > think the short cables came from a hamfest. > > The cables can be fairly long, I remember interfacing a TU80 to an > Emulex QT14 (maybe) and the DEC cables

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/10/2019 1:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 08/09/2019 11:05 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers in the house? Connected a Qualstar 1260 tape drive to an Emulex TC02 qbus tape controller in a pdp-11/53.  The interface is pertec

RE: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Dave Wade via cctech
> -Original Message- > From: cctech On Behalf Of Mark J. Blair via > cctech > Sent: 10 August 2019 18:03 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length > > > > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Dave Wade via ccte

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctech
On 08/09/2019 11:05 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers in the house? Connected a Qualstar 1260 tape drive to an Emulex TC02 qbus tape controller in a pdp-11/53. The interface is pertec with 2 50 pin cables. When I use a

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/10/19 9:45 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > I bought the long cables off ebay, so they have to be good? Right? I > think the short cables came from a hamfest. > > The cables can be fairly long, I remember interfacing a TU80 to an > Emulex QT14 (maybe) and the DEC cables were round and

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctech
> On Aug 10, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Dave Wade via cctech > wrote: > >> >> I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers in the house? > > Its electronics, rather than electrical engineering. Electrical Engineering > is power distribution. At least in the US, "Electrical

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/10/2019 4:57 AM, Dave Wade wrote: -Original Message- From: cctech On Behalf Of Douglas Taylor via cctech Sent: 10 August 2019 05:06 To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Subject: Pertec Interface Cable Length I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers

RE: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Dave Wade via cctech
> -Original Message- > From: cctech On Behalf Of Douglas Taylor > via cctech > Sent: 10 August 2019 05:06 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Pertec Interface Cable Length > > I have a question about cable length - any electrical engi

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-10 Thread Dennis Boone via cctech
> It doesn't work when I use a pair of 5 foot long flat ribbon cables. > Are they too long? Do I need twisted pair type of cable? Is it > possibly a termination problem? These cables typically were twisted pair, at least inside cabinets. (They might transition to round cables at bulkheads

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-09 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/9/19 9:05 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers in the > house? > > Connected a Qualstar 1260 tape drive to an Emulex TC02 qbus tape > controller in a pdp-11/53.  The interface is pertec with 2 50 pin cables. > > When I use a

Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-09 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
I have a question about cable length - any electrical engineers in the house? Connected a Qualstar 1260 tape drive to an Emulex TC02 qbus tape controller in a pdp-11/53.  The interface is pertec with 2 50 pin cables. When I use a pair of short flat ribbon cables, 18 and 30 inches each, it