[cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-28 Thread Danilo Schöneberg
Moin, There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). I have ten days of vacation coming up, I was thinking about what to do. I'm completely useless at sitting around idly for more than two days. So I was thinking

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-28 Thread Martin Etteldorf
Hi, On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: > 2) researching integration of some modern technologies (like automount of > devices, udev, sound systems) If you do this, please keep in mind that the "C" in CDE stands for "Common". At least udev is a Linux-only thing as far as I r

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-28 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
How about modern font support? Antonis. On 28/04/2016 09:09 μμ, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: Moin,  There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From Scratch. I'm building it right

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-28 Thread Danilo Schöneberg
Hi Antonis, I think there was never anything wrong with X11 font support, until people started asking for Comic Sans. You have to be careful what you include or you'll end up with a huge behemoth that has hundreds of dependencies because every beep needs to have its own library these days. In the

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Wareham
On 28 April 2016 at 19:09 Danilo Schöneberg wrote: > > Moin, > > There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From > Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). > > I have ten days of vacation coming up, I was thinking about what to do. > I'm completely us

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-29 Thread Peter Howkins
Openmotif, from version 2.3 onwards has xft font support built in without any extra dependancies, that CDE can use pretty much directly. I last had a go at making this work during the porting effort to Linux before the open source release. This was before I had the regular CDE font specifiers work

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-29 Thread Edmond Orignac
On 28/04/2016 20:09, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: > Moin, > > There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From > Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). > > I have ten days of vacation coming up, I was thinking about what to do. > I'm completely useless at s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 08:09:27PM +0200, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: > Moin, > > There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From > Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). > > I have ten days of vacation coming up, I was thinking about what to do. > I'm co

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-30 Thread Edmond Orignac
On 30/04/2016 07:13, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 08:09:27PM +0200, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: >> Moin, >> >> There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From >> Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). >> >> I have ten days of vacation comi

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-04-30 Thread Brent Busby
Edmond Orignac writes: > xmmixer was designed for use with OSS and is working at least on Linux > with ALSA and OSS emulation. Since it's a Motif program, it would seem to be the best choice if we're needing a mixer for CDE. I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CDE to have a mixer thoug

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-01 Thread Tomasz Konojacki
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:44:47 +0200 Edmond Orignac wrote: > xmmixer was designed for use with OSS and is working at least on Linux > with ALSA and OSS emulation. However, except for Slackware, Linux > distributions have moved to PulseAudio, and I am unsure OSS > compatibility remains. Slackwar

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-01 Thread Edmond Orignac
On 30/04/2016 17:30, Brent Busby wrote: > Edmond Orignac writes: > >> xmmixer was designed for use with OSS and is working at least on Linux >> with ALSA and OSS emulation. > > Since it's a Motif program, it would seem to be the best choice if we're > needing a mixer for CDE. I don't think it's

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-01 Thread Martin Etteldorf
Hi, On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Danilo Schöneberg wrote: > Moin, > > There is one system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From > Scratch. I'm building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). > > I have ten days of vacation coming up, I was thinking about what to do. I'm > complet

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-02 Thread Pascal Stumpf
On Sun, 1 May 2016 13:15:33 +0200, Martin Etteldorf wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Danilo Schöneberg > wrote: > Moin, > > There is one > system left I'm checking out the build for - Linux From > Scratch. I'm > building it right now (the system. Not CDE yet). > > I have ten days

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-02 Thread Martin Etteldorf
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > Objection. That would kill OpenBSD support. I don't see a problem there, unless you are trying to tell me that xterm doesn't work properly on OpenBSD either. xterm has been rewritten with utmpx support ages ago and I haven't heard a single

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-02 Thread Pascal Stumpf
On Tue, 3 May 2016 06:08:43 +0200, Martin Etteldorf wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > > > Objection. That would kill OpenBSD support. > > I don't see a problem there, unless you are trying to tell me that > xterm doesn't work properly on OpenBSD either. xterm has b

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-02 Thread Martin Etteldorf
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Pascal Stumpf wrote: > xterm has not deleted support for utmp in favour of utmpx. It checks in > ./configure. What speaks against implementing it in a similar fashion in dtterm? BTW: Is there a better reason than "It's evil because it comes from SVR4" why utmpx h

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-03 Thread Chris Wareham
> On 01 May 2016 at 11:29 Edmond Orignac wrote: > > > You are completely right. I was mentioning xmmixer as an example of an > OSS sound mixing Motif application that is usable on Linux Slackware (or > Gentoo) but probably not Linux Ubuntu or Fedora. It is also unclear to > me whether xmmixer

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-03 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> On May 3, 2016, at 07:35, Chris Wareham wrote: > >> On 01 May 2016 at 11:29 Edmond Orignac wrote: >> >> >> You are completely right. I was mentioning xmmixer as an example of an >> OSS sound mixing Motif application that is usable on Linux Slackware (or >> Gentoo) but probably not Linux U

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-04 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
It is not a problem to have something optional. The problem is that font handling is so difficult. Moreover it is not that I want Comic Sans (as someone else wrote) but look: you buy a quality font, say Lucida Grande (remember that Lucida was always shipped with CDE at least on Solaris) and you c

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-04 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
I would say that a mixer is needed only if it can be embedded in the main panel. Otherwise, pavucontrol does the job (at least with pulse). Antonis. On 03/05/2016 04:44 μμ, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> On May 3, 2016, at 07:35, Chris Wareham wrote: >> >>> On 01 May 2016 at 11:29 Edmond O

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-04 Thread Jon Trulson
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: > > It is not a problem to have something optional. The problem is that > font handling is so difficult. > > Moreover it is not that I want Comic Sans (as someone else wrote) > but look: you buy a quality font, say Lucida Grande (remember that Lucida >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-05 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 05/05/2016 04:50 πμ, Jon Trulson wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 2016, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: > >> >> It is not a problem to have something optional. The problem is that >> font handling is so difficult. >> >> Moreover it is not that I want Comic Sans (as someone else wrote) >> but look: you buy a qua

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-05 Thread alx
On 05/05/16 13:22, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: > Number 2 above > can be partly bypassed if one manages to theme pavucontrol; but the > docked volume control is needed. Perhaps the front panel's ability to capture X clients may be of help here (provided there is a standalone systray applet fo

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-05 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 05/05/2016 04:53 μμ, alx wrote: > On 05/05/16 13:22, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: >> Number 2 above >> can be partly bypassed if one manages to theme pavucontrol; but >> the >> docked volume control is needed. > > Perhaps the front panel's ability to capture X clients may be of help > here

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-05 Thread alx
On 05/05/16 16:12, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: > But maybe I miss something. What do you mean by "must be launched"? The client must be launched at startup (e.g. from ~/.dt/sessions/sessionetc), since dtwm only takes care of reparenting the window. ---

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-05 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 05/05/2016 05:36 μμ, alx wrote: > On 05/05/16 16:12, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: >> But maybe I miss something. What do you mean by "must be launched"? > > The client must be launched at startup (e.g. from > ~/.dt/sessions/sessionetc), since dtwm only takes care of reparenting > the window. > A

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-08 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 05/05/2016 04:53 μμ, alx wrote: On 05/05/16 13:22, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: Number 2 above can be partly bypassed if one manages to theme pavucontrol; but the docked volume control is needed. Perhaps the front panel's ability to capture X clients may be of help here (provided ther

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-08 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 08/05/2016 04:19 μμ, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: > On 05/05/2016 04:53 μμ, alx wrote: >> On 05/05/16 13:22, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: >>> Number 2 above >>> can be partly bypassed if one manages to theme pavucontrol; >>> but the >>> docked volume control is needed. >> >> Perhaps the front p

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-08 Thread alx
Hi, I just tested it on FreeBSD (don't have a Linux VM), but that shouldn't make much difference in this case. Make sure you're getting the right client name with: $ xprop | grep WM_CLASS The output for the chosen window should be something like: WM_CLASS(STRING) = "xclock", "XClock" The quoted

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-08 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 08/05/2016 07:48 μμ, alx wrote: > Hi, I just tested it on FreeBSD (don't have a Linux VM), but that > shouldn't make much difference in this case. > > Make sure you're getting the right client name with: > $ xprop | grep WM_CLASS > > The output for the chosen window should be something like: >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some plans and some questions

2016-05-08 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 08/05/2016 07:48 μμ, alx wrote: > Hi, I just tested it on FreeBSD (don't have a Linux VM), but that > shouldn't make much difference in this case. > > Make sure you're getting the right client name with: > $ xprop | grep WM_CLASS > > The output for the chosen window should be something like: >