Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-22 Thread Meelis Roos
> CWOPTS= -Wall -Wtraditional \ > -Wshadow -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes I apologize. It troubled me that I got no warnings from kernel source but several warnings from build tools. I rechecked my test setup and found that I had appended the additional warning o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-22 Thread Meelis Roos
> CWOPTS= -Wall -Wtraditional \ > -Wshadow -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes I apologize. It troubled me that I got no warnings from kernel source but several warnings from build tools. I rechecked my test setup and found that I had appended the additional warning o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-20 Thread Meelis Roos
> >-Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing > >-fno-common -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=pentium3 > >-fomit-frame-pointer > > In the Schily makefile system (Developer set up) these warning options are > used: > > CWOPTS= -Wall -Wtraditional \ >

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-20 Thread Meelis Roos
> >-Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing > >-fno-common -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=pentium3 > >-fomit-frame-pointer > > In the Schily makefile system (Developer set up) these warning options are > used: > > CWOPTS= -Wall -Wtraditional \ >

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-19 Thread Markus Plail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Markus Plail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? >> >> Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled discs. For some >> there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent them. > > I

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-19 Thread Markus Plail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Markus Plail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? >> >> Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled discs. For some >> there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent them. > > I

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Andy Polyakov wrote: OK, requestor has reported that readcd performs at >2-3x accompanied by irresonsiveness of the system. This *does* appear as lack of DMA and it agrees pretty well with those reports from NEC users I mentioned yesterday. Yes, DMA must be off (or not being used on that particular

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Kuwanger wrote: Given all this, My question is should I test out another IDE cable given how ide-scsi works but has issues and ide-cd is horribly slow, or does the behavior rule out it being the ide cable's fault? I can always try out another cable if someone thinks it'll help. Of course! Y

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Kuwanger wrote: PS: Andy, I guess I didn't make it clear in my original post but the system was kernel panicing. Since I never was at console all those times, I never had seen the actuall OOPs, but caps and scroll lock were flashing which told me it was a kernel panic. After your comment, thou

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Andy Polyakov wrote: OK, requestor has reported that readcd performs at >2-3x accompanied by irresonsiveness of the system. This *does* appear as lack of DMA and it agrees pretty well with those reports from NEC users I mentioned yesterday. Yes, DMA must be off (or not being used on that particula

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Kuwanger wrote: Given all this, My question is should I test out another IDE cable given how ide-scsi works but has issues and ide-cd is horribly slow, or does the behavior rule out it being the ide cable's fault? I can always try out another cable if someone thinks it'll help. Of course!

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Rob Bogus
Kuwanger wrote: PS: Andy, I guess I didn't make it clear in my original post but the system was kernel panicing. Since I never was at console all those times, I never had seen the actuall OOPs, but caps and scroll lock were flashing which told me it was a kernel panic. After your comment, tho

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread csj
On 17. December 2003 at 9:21PM +0100, Markus Plail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? > > Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled > discs. For some there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent > them

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread csj
On 17. December 2003 at 9:21PM +0100, Markus Plail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? > > Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled > discs. For some there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent > them

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Meelis Roos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >JS> The recent Linux kernels are full of IDE related bugs :-( >Here I can mostly agree - several IDE drivers have bugs, mostly DMA >related (sine most of IDE is DMA nowadays). In addition people report >their IRQ routing bugs as IDE when IDE IRQ doesn't hap

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Kuwanger
>> Volker, are you using ide-scsi or ide-cd? >I always use ide-scsi with burners and so far never had trouble with it. >It's also required for Andy's random write patch. >Btw you can change that at run-time by reloading modules ide-cd and >ide-scsi (need to rmmod some other modules first). Both g

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Meelis Roos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >JS> The recent Linux kernels are full of IDE related bugs :-( >Here I can mostly agree - several IDE drivers have bugs, mostly DMA >related (sine most of IDE is DMA nowadays). In addition people report >their IRQ routing bugs as IDE when IDE IRQ doesn't hap

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-18 Thread Kuwanger
>> Volker, are you using ide-scsi or ide-cd? >I always use ide-scsi with burners and so far never had trouble with it. >It's also required for Andy's random write patch. >Btw you can change that at run-time by reloading modules ide-cd and >ide-scsi (need to rmmod some other modules first). Both g

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Volker, are you using ide-scsi or ide-cd? I always use ide-scsi with burners and so far never had trouble with it. It's also required for Andy's random write patch. Btw you can change that at run-time by reloading modules ide-cd and ide-scsi (need to rmmod some other modules first). Both grab a

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Volker, are you using ide-scsi or ide-cd? I always use ide-scsi with burners and so far never had trouble with it. It's also required for Andy's random write patch. Btw you can change that at run-time by reloading modules ide-cd and ide-scsi (need to rmmod some other modules first). Both grab a

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Markus Plail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled discs. For some there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent them. regards markus

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Markus Plail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just curious, what does CSS have to do with read speed? Some drives limit the reading speed for CSS scrambled discs. For some there are firmware hacks available to cirumvent them. regards markus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubs

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread csj
On 15. December 2003 at 8:05PM -0500, Kuwanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% > sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's > using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk > ends up topping out at a

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread csj
On 15. December 2003 at 8:05PM -0500, Kuwanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% > sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's > using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk > ends up topping out at a

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Meelis Roos
JS> The recent Linux kernels are full of IDE related bugs :-( Here I can mostly agree - several IDE drivers have bugs, mostly DMA related (sine most of IDE is DMA nowadays). In addition people report their IRQ routing bugs as IDE when IDE IRQ doesn't happen but this is rather an ACPI BIOS / Intel

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-17 Thread Meelis Roos
JS> The recent Linux kernels are full of IDE related bugs :-( Here I can mostly agree - several IDE drivers have bugs, mostly DMA related (sine most of IDE is DMA nowadays). In addition people report their IRQ routing bugs as IDE when IDE IRQ doesn't happen but this is rather an ACPI BIOS / Intel

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have > > Well, I don't like to be the one who is right but of course, > it makes no sense if I write something that _may be right_ and someone > else telle all people this is nonsense. It was not formulated as "this is nonsense,

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 16 04:14:51 2003 >Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's >free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a >good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s >with the CPU

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have > > Well, I don't like to be the one who is right but of course, > it makes no sense if I write something that _may be right_ and someone > else telle all people this is nonsense. It was not formulated as "this is nonsense,

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have Well, I don't like to be the one who is right but of course, it makes no sense if I write something that _may be right_ and someone else telle all people this is nonsense. >to agre

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 16 04:14:51 2003 >Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's >free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a >good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s >with the CPU

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have Well, I don't like to be the one who is right but of course, it makes no sense if I write something that _may be right_ and someone else telle all people this is nonsense. >to agre

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s with the CPU using about 80%-90% CPU time in kernel space. A test o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s with the CPU using about 80%-90% CPU time in kernel space. A test o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s with the CPU using about 80%-90% CPU time in kernel space. A test o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, I finally found a DVD-ROM to test on, though I'm not 100% sure if it's free of CSS (mplayer doesn't seem to indicate it's using CSS, so that's a good sign). The read speed for the disk ends up topping out at around 3MB/s with the CPU using about 80%-90% CPU time in kernel space. A test o

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have to agree 100% with Andy's assessment of the situation. He gave sound reason for his conclusion. I am still very interested in your detailed technical explanation on why a fast CPU with 0% load only manages a 0.4x DVD burn speed

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Jörg, I don't care about silly arguments about who's right, but I have to agree 100% with Andy's assessment of the situation. He gave sound reason for his conclusion. I am still very interested in your detailed technical explanation on why a fast CPU with 0% load only manages a 0.4x DVD burn speed

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Andy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( >> >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which >> >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Andy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( >> >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which >> >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( > >> > >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which > >> >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. > >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," > >> >but as high l

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( > >> > >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which > >> >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. > >> >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," > >> >but as high l

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Andy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second,"

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( > > >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which > >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. > >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," > >but as high load all the time.

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Andy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second,"

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> >> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( > > >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which > >was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. > >Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," > >but as high load all the time.

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," but as high load all the time. The comment is h

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for > kenrel support. Don't take things which are said in public personally. At least not what I say:-) What I've said was pretty common commentary, in certain degree addressing rest of the croud and merely denoting what *anybo

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> Looks like you don"t have DMA :-( Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as 0.4x. Requestor's computer (which was described in originating post) should perform over 2x without DMA. Lack of DMA doesn't manifest itself as "1 to 2 CPU spikes per second," but as high load all the time. The comment is h

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Andy Polyakov
> Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for > kenrel support. Don't take things which are said in public personally. At least not what I say:-) What I've said was pretty common commentary, in certain degree addressing rest of the croud and merely denoting what *anybo

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Kuwanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Well, it seemed like a good idea to sort of follow-up on my previous message, >so here it is. >Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for >kenrel support. I was actually trying to find out if anyone else was having >the same p

Re: Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>From: Kuwanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Well, it seemed like a good idea to sort of follow-up on my previous message, >so here it is. >Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for >kenrel support. I was actually trying to find out if anyone else was having >the same p

Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, it seemed like a good idea to sort of follow-up on my previous message, so here it is. Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for kenrel support. I was actually trying to find out if anyone else was having the same problem. That problem is under ide-cd burn

Pioneer DVR-106D issues

2003-12-15 Thread Kuwanger
Well, it seemed like a good idea to sort of follow-up on my previous message, so here it is. Unlikely what Andy seemed to think, I really wasn't asking this list for kenrel support. I was actually trying to find out if anyone else was having the same problem. That problem is under ide-cd burn