Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 5:43 PM Steven Rosenberg wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 7:34 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > > > One thing to note is, we are currently working on moving the c8s process > > to use the same workflow as the c9s process. That will happen later > > this year. Right now, I o

Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 7:34 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: > > One thing to note is, we are currently working on moving the c8s process > to use the same workflow as the c9s process. That will happen later > this year. Right now, I only build what releases to git.centos.org for > the c8s branch for th

Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

On 1/7/23 13:41, Aleksandar Ivanisevic wrote: Heh, Your sentiments on the website very much mirror my own, although I’m more focused on server applications rather than on desktop (we use Macs and Ubuntu for that). When Red Hat announced Streams, I was terrified at first and my first instinct

Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

Heh, Your sentiments on the website very much mirror my own, although I’m more focused on server applications rather than on desktop (we use Macs and Ubuntu for that). When Red Hat announced Streams, I was terrified at first and my first instinct was to switch to Rocky or a similar 1:1 distro,

Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

If you want to follow CentOS Stream development, I have two websites that grab CentOS-supplied XML and publish blog entries of updated packages whenever that happens: https://centos.passthejoe.net/ https://passthejoe.tilde.institute/centos/ Both websites have the same content. Frustration with C

Re: [CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 3:58 PM Aleksandar Ivanisevic wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know what is happening with centos 8-Streams kernel? > It has been behind RHEL for months now, RHEL8.7 has 4.18.0-425.3.1.el8 built > in December and Streams has 4.18.0-408.el8 built all the way back in end > Oct

[CentOS] centos 8-Streams kernel?

Hi, Does anyone know what is happening with centos 8-Streams kernel? It has been behind RHEL for months now, RHEL8.7 has 4.18.0-425.3.1.el8 built in December and Streams has 4.18.0-408.el8 built all the way back in end October. Is there some policy somewhere that I missed that says that 9 will b

[CentOS] centos 8 stream / last yum update / VirtualBox 6.1.26

Hi all Till this morning, I ran Windows 10 client on VirtualBox 6.1.24 on host Centos 8 stream kernel 4.18.0-315.el8 without problem (desktop). I took the risk to do a "yum update" and as well as the kernel as the VirtualBox were updated: kernel going from 4.18.0-315.el8 to 4.18.0-326.el8 Virt

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: two external network adapters, two ISPs - routing problems

You need to SNAT the outbound traffic on eth0 and eth2 to use the interface address that the packets leave from. On 31/07/2021 02:27, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: Hello! Given: a CentOS 8-powered computer with three network adapters. eth0, eth2: external, connected to two different I

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: two external network adapters, two ISPs - routing problems

On 7/30/21 4:27 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: Current situation: - All services forwarded from eth0 are working normally. - All traffic originating from intranet passes out and back normally. - All the attempts to access services from eth2 time out. There are no obvious hints in /v

[CentOS] CentOS 8: two external network adapters, two ISPs - routing problems

Hello! Given: a CentOS 8-powered computer with three network adapters. eth0, eth2: external, connected to two different ISPs eth1: faces home network (intranet) The task: allow accessing certain internal services from either ISP. There are several services, I only mention SSH below. In the con

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 two network cards

Johnny Hughes wrote: On 7/15/21 2:39 PM, Ken Smith via CentOS wrote: Hi folks, I'm a bit confused about how to set up two network cards in different LANS in C8. I've done this multiple times in Centos6 and lower, but in the NetworkManager/systemd world I'm all at sea without any charts. (I'm s

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 two network cards

On 7/15/21 2:39 PM, Ken Smith via CentOS wrote: Hi folks, I'm a bit confused about how to set up two network cards in different LANS in C8. I've done this multiple times in Centos6 and lower, but in the NetworkManager/systemd world I'm all at sea without any charts. (I'm sure there's a HKLM

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 two network cards

On 7/15/21 2:39 PM, Ken Smith via CentOS wrote: > Hi folks, I'm a bit confused about how to set up two network cards in > different LANS in C8. I've done this multiple times in Centos6 and > lower, but in the NetworkManager/systemd world I'm all at sea without > any charts. (I'm sure there's a HKLM

[CentOS] Centos 8 two network cards

Hi folks, I'm a bit confused about how to set up two network cards in different LANS in C8. I've done this multiple times in Centos6 and lower, but in the NetworkManager/systemd world I'm all at sea without any charts. (I'm sure there's a HKLM in there somewhere -sorry ;-)) and my Googlefoo is

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, Adrian Jenzer wrote: Hi Paul Thanks, but how do you "skip the crypto-policy for Apache"? It seems like crypto-policies configuration is overwriting my values in httpd-configuration. How I enforce the values in httpd.conf ? I haven't taken the time necessary to figure out

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating

nlein Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 16:09 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating On Wed, 30 Jun 2021, Adrian Jenzer wrote: > Dear Community > > I try to get an SSL Labs A rating for my CentOS8 Apache-server. > I'am sure i

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating

This tool might be of interest to you: https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/#server=apache&version=2.4.41&config=intermediate&openssl=1.1.1d&guideline=5.6 Don't forget to configure to match your software versions and requirements. Cheers, Jamie On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 10:03, Adrian Jenzer wrote: > D

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021, Adrian Jenzer wrote: Dear Community I try to get an SSL Labs A rating for my CentOS8 Apache-server. I'am sure it has to do with my lack of understanding the crypto-policies configuration, can anybody give me an advice where i am wrong? My understanding is that the configur

[CentOS] Centos 8 crypto-policy to get SSL Labs A rating

Dear Community I try to get an SSL Labs A rating for my CentOS8 Apache-server. I'am sure it has to do with my lack of understanding the crypto-policies configuration, can anybody give me an advice where i am wrong? My understanding is that the configuration in the pmod-file will override the ssl

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 repository

On 01/06/2021 09:31, Lillipuu Kimmo wrote: > Hello All, > > At the moment im using http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/ repo on my CentOS 8 > host and I noticed, that im missing quite many new packages/updates what > 8.4.2105 repo contains. > Is there a possibility that they will also be transferr

[CentOS] CentOS 8 repository

Hello All, At the moment im using http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/ repo on my CentOS 8 host and I noticed, that im missing quite many new packages/updates what 8.4.2105 repo contains. Is there a possibility that they will also be transferred to on /8/ repo or should I start using /8.4.2105/ o

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 1:15 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:40, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/9/21 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Bi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 1:08 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 11:39:58AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/9/21 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Finally sudo can

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:40, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/9/21 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Binet, Va

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 11:39:58AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/9/21 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Binet, Valere (NIH/NIA/IRP) [C] wrote: The NIST and CIS baselines don't allow su, we have to use sudo on g

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:19, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Binet, Valere (NIH/NIA/IRP) [C] wrote: >> > The NIST and CIS baselines don't allow su, we have to use sudo on >> government computers. >> > >> >> Cou

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Binet, Valere (NIH/NIA/IRP) [C] wrote: > > The NIST and CIS baselines don't allow su, we have to use sudo on > government computers. > > > > Could you enlighten me on the rationale behind that restriction? As, as > you a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 10:47 AM, Binet, Valere (NIH/NIA/IRP) [C] wrote: The NIST and CIS baselines don't allow su, we have to use sudo on government computers. Could you enlighten me on the rationale behind that restriction? As, as you already noticed, my [ancient, maybe] reasoning makes me arrive at a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 11:31 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/9/21 5:18 AM, Steve Clark via CentOS wrote: On 4/8/21 3:50 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:33 PM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, S

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 10:31 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/9/21 5:18 AM, Steve Clark via CentOS wrote: On 4/8/21 3:50 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:33 PM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, Steve Clark via CentOS a écrit : How do I allow root

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/9/21 5:18 AM, Steve Clark via CentOS wrote: > On 4/8/21 3:50 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:33 PM Nicolas Kovacs > wrote: > > > > Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, Steve Clark via CentOS a écrit : > > > How do I allow root log in on GDM. > > >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On 4/8/21 3:50 PM, Tony Schreiner wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:33 PM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, Steve Clark via CentOS a écrit : How do I allow root log in on GDM. tl;dr: you don't. Log in as a non-root user, and when you do need root, ei

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:33 PM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, Steve Clark via CentOS a écrit : > > How do I allow root log in on GDM. > > tl;dr: you don't. > > Log in as a non-root user, and when you do need root, either open up a > terminal > and use 'su -' or (even better) setup

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8

Le 08/04/2021 à 18:58, Steve Clark via CentOS a écrit : > How do I allow root log in on GDM. tl;dr: you don't. Log in as a non-root user, and when you do need root, either open up a terminal and use 'su -' or (even better) setup your user by making your user a member of the wheel group and then u

[CentOS] CentOS 8

Hello, How do I allow root log in on GDM. The only people that have access are admins - so I am not worried about someone screwing things up. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark Email Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential and/or pr

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 issues.

Yeah, that is the conclusion I've come to as well. Thanks, Frank -Original Message- From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cox Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 6:46 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 issues. On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:33:16

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 issues.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:33:16 -0500 Frank Ramaekers wrote: > Okay, I made a foolish mistake a few months ago and upgraded my perfectly > running CentOS 7 to CentOS 8 and have been struggling ever since. How did you "upgrade" your computer? In-place upgrading from C7 to C8 isn't something that yo

[CentOS] CentOS 8 issues.

Okay, I made a foolish mistake a few months ago and upgraded my perfectly running CentOS 7 to CentOS 8 and have been struggling ever since. Looking to upgade to AlmaLinux or Rocky Linux. I have a number of things I need to clean up on this system before attempting a upgrade. Does anyone hav

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

Hi, What I'm wondering here, what's the benefit of running the CentOS 7 machine on VMware instead of EL8? Simon --- Simon, It was not a pleasant decision for sure. The initial commitment of RedHat/IBM for the End of Life of C8 wa

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 3:25 PM Simon Matter wrote: > > Hi, > > What I'm wondering here, what's the benefit of running the CentOS 7 > machine on VMware instead of EL8? > Probably he has a vmware cluster that is in use already. I myself moved out of it to KVM primarily because of the lousy PC

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

Hi, What I'm wondering here, what's the benefit of running the CentOS 7 machine on VMware instead of EL8? Simon > Everyone, > > My final solution to the moving a Centos 7 machine to VMWare turned out to > be the use of > vCenter Converter Standalone 6.2.0.1 that has to be executed on a Windows >

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

Everyone, My final solution to the moving a Centos 7 machine to VMWare turned out to be the use of vCenter Converter Standalone 6.2.0.1 that has to be executed on a Windows machine. I ran this product on a kvm guest Windows 10 machine and it worked very well. The transfer had to be done while

Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

Everyone, -- Greg Ennis I am trying to move some Centos 7 guests off of a Centos 8 host to a VMware host machine. qemu-img is a great tool in kvm to convert the files from *.qcow2 to *.vmdk very easily with the command : qemu-img convert -f qcow2 -O vmdk *.qcow2 *.vmdk I have been able to eas

[CentOS] Centos 8 host -> VMware host

Everyone, I am trying to move some Centos 7 guests off of a Centos 8 host to a VMware host machine. qemu-img is a great tool in kvm to convert the files from *.qcow2 to *.vmdk very easily with the command : qemu-img convert -f qcow2 -O vmdk *.qcow2 *.vmdk I have been able to easily move these

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/18/20 3:04 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 12/18/20 9:20 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: >> Suppose it is June of 2022 and I have been collecting and archiving >> all of the various versions of packages that are coming out for CentOS >> Stream. Then, maybe RHEL 8.7 is finalized and hits the mir

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/18/20 12:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:36:12AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: >> You have been involved in CentOS for a long time.  Would you mind >> explaining the structure here.  Do you work for Red hat full time on >> the CentOS team?  How many people are on

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

At 13 December, 2020 Simon Avery wrote: > Reply-To: CentOS mailing list > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 23:55, edward via CentOS wrote: > > > appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing > > centos. > > A small but important point of order on that statement, based on the >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 19.12.2020 01:46, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > Am 18.12.20 um 19:14 schrieb Matthew Miller: >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via >> CentOS wrote: > It's purely a developer's distro. Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 19.12.2020 01:14, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: It's purely a developer's distro. >>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than >>> development and testing? >> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his rig

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 18.12.2020 23:28, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > $250K is not even close. That is

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/18/20 9:20 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: > Suppose it is June of 2022 and I have been collecting and archiving > all of the various versions of packages that are coming out for CentOS > Stream. Then, maybe RHEL 8.7 is finalized and hits the mirrors. I > can analyze the versions of packages that

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 03:20:30PM -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote: > 2027 + 1". Or maybe it's even RHEL 10 by that point. So maybe long > term updates won't go through the CentOS Streams process. Right, as the plan exists right now, long term updates (after five years) won't go through CentOS Stream

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:29 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: > People who certify things, who certified CentOS Linux for things, are > free to evaluate and do that with CentOS Stream as well. This is what makes me think this isn't as bad as people made it out to be. (And yeah, I take full responsibili

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS > wrote: It's purely a developer's distro. >>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than >>> development and testing? >> Will a Red

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future [ Interesting Article.. ZDNet ]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-to-invest-more-than-a-million-dollar-a-year-into-centos-clone/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Am 18.12.20 um 19:14 schrieb Matthew Miller: On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: It's purely a developer's distro. Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than development and testing? Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, eve

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:36:12AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: > You have been involved in CentOS for a long time.  Would you mind > explaining the structure here.  Do you work for Red hat full time on > the CentOS team?  How many people are on that Team that were working > on CentOS?  Is Cen

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > >> It's purely a developer's distro. > > Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than > > development and testing? > Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of > RHE

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Johnny, You have been involved in CentOS for a long time.  Would you mind explaining the structure here.  Do you work for Red hat full time on the CentOS team?  How many people are on that Team that were working on CentOS?  Is CentOS structured as a non-profit company with staff just working

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into account

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 18.12.2020 14:46, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/17/20 5:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> It's purely a developer's distro. > > Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than > development and testing? Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/17/20 5:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: It's purely a developer's distro. Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than development and testing? Shall I explain difference between a developer's distro and the one suitable for production servers (a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >>> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into >>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/16/20 5:09 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Hi Lamar, glad to interact w/ you on the list. We both have been doing this for a long time. Yes, indeed. (Xenix V7 on a TRS-80 Model 16 in 1988..., I STILL use my vi skills from that time i my life!) I was not thrilled about this decision and it

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Am 17.12.20 um 17:38 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs: Le 15/12/2020 à 10:09, Thomas Bendler a écrit : If you have to deal with proprietary software, OEL is currently the only cost-free option you have (if an RHEL clone is wanted). The advantage with OEL is that most proprietary software supports OEL out-

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Le 15/12/2020 à 10:09, Thomas Bendler a écrit : > If you have to deal with proprietary software, OEL is currently the only > cost-free > option you have (if an RHEL clone is wanted). The advantage with OEL is that > most proprietary software supports OEL out-of-the-box, you don't have to do > "nami

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/16/20 6:07 PM, Peter Eckel wrote: > Hi Johnny, > >> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into >> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply >> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over >> the world, di

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Hi Johnny, > $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into > account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply > that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over > the world, different countries, different laws. > > .. THEN

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/16/20 12:28 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they >> want to do the development in the community. The current process of >> RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that sim

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they want to do the development in the community. The current process of RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that simple. Johnny, let me say first of all thanks for

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/16/20 10:39 AM, Frank Saporito wrote: I may be cynical, but I think this is a business decision. By gaining control of CentOS, RedHat gained control of its biggest (apparent) competitor.  This action should increase the value of RedHat.  A few years later, IBM buys RedHat for a staggeri

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future ("Long goodbye"?)

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:38 AM, R C wrote: > > > On 12/16/20 9:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> My apologies about top posting. >> >> I join Matthew on all counts. >> >> The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances >> we have been put into. >> >> First, and mo

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

I may be cynical, but I think this is a business decision. By gaining control of CentOS, RedHat gained control of its biggest (apparent) competitor.  This action should increase the value of RedHat.  A few years later, IBM buys RedHat for a staggering 34 BILLION dollars.  I would expect that b

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future ("Long goodbye"?)

On 12/16/20 9:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: My apologies about top posting. I join Matthew on all counts. The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances we have been put into. First, and most important: thank you CentOS team for all great work you have done durin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future ("Long goodbye"?)

I would like to echo the thanks in this post, and to add a bit of information that I have learned doing some quick research on where to go.  Scientific Linux is basically no more, they deferred to Centos and pretty much ended their distribution. Oracle seems to be the easiest and quickest migrat

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future ("Long goodbye"?)

My apologies about top posting. I join Matthew on all counts. The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances we have been put into. First, and most important: thank you CentOS team for all great work you have done during all these years. As user who used results of

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into >> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply >> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 7:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: Why would RedHat invest millions more in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the beta? Indeed. Often, when you can't find a reasonable answer to a question, it is because the premise of the question itself is wrong. __

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into > account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply > that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over > the world, differen

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:14 PM Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: > Every package that ends up in a RHEL point release is in Stream at some > point, right? While I can certainly believe that the cost for the entire > CentOS effort is much more than $250K,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Johnny Hughes mailto:joh...@centos.org>> wrote: $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: > >> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > >> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually > the > >> stated motivation > >> https://www.redh

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: >> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different >> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the >> stated motivation >> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 > > First, I will note

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the > stated motivation > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 First, I will note that I think the idea of creating *a version of*

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:45:43AM -0700, R C wrote: > > I didn't know that fact, but hey that could be a pretty cool tribute. It was in Greg's announcement of Rocky Linux. Right up near the top if I recall correctly. John -- Time is

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:07 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote: > > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, > but > > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose > > not to. Ya know, if

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote: I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote: > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose > not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows > maybe th

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:31 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > Not to mention the constant barrage of "You just want free Red Hat" and > "CentOS users are moochers" and "We deserve value from all those CentOS > users, so we're going to turn them into beta testers for RHEL." I have > gotten these respo

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 10:31 AM, Jon Pruente wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote: 'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick another distro name) The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer with us, in his memory. I didn't know

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2020, 12:06 -0500 schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote: > > I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a > > licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make > > things 'fair'. > > So, again, ple

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 10:30 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote: I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actuall

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 10:24 AM, Tom Bishop wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote: I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the stated motivation https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote: > 'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick > another distro name) > The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer with us, in his memory. ___ CentOS ma

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the > > stated motivation >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the > stated motivation > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 > > > --

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On 12/15/20 10:06 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote: I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make things 'fair'. So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing s

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote: > I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a > licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make > things 'fair'. So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing schemes for CentOS, but for programs for th

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