On 12/17/2020 9:29 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 12/13/20 3:25 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100 Rainer Duffner
wrote:
It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour
a day on it.
not l
On 12/14/20 10:52 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
...
The main issue against using Fedora in production environments is the
short lifecycle. Forcing an upgrade, and all the associated testing,
auditing, etc. of the base version every year or so is not tenable for
most organizations.
Indeed. Fedo
On 12/13/20 3:25 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100 Rainer Duffner
wrote:
It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a
day on it.
not like Debian for instance
No, not at all lik
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:25:16PM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> ... snip ...
> Today, CentOS is a release stage after Stage 5 described above. The CentOS
> maintainers begin work on a minor release after that release is available to
> RHEL consumers, and the process of rebuilding those packages
On 13/12/20 7:15 pm, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to make
CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the same reasons
that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat Linu
On 14/12/20 6:56 am, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is call
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:37 AM Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:00:24AM -0700, James Szinger wrote:
> > >
> > > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope.
> > >
> > > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it.
> >
> > Since the release of CentOS 8,
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:00:24AM -0700, James Szinger wrote:
> >
> > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope.
> >
> > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it.
>
> Since the release of CentOS 8, I have been moving my stuff over to
> Fedora. The combination of
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:15:52 +0100
Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
> > Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going
> > to make CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for
> > the same reasons that Fedora is a better dis
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:11:58PM +0200, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 9:44 μ.μ., Simon Avery wrote:
>
> > There are 4,606 people on their Slack right now
>
> ...which, by the way, is being acquired by SalesForce!
>
> Find a successor of Slack! 😉
OT excuse to rant, because I get so mad
I'm just trying to determine whether you were making the argument you
intended to, because you are literally suggesting that the majority is
silent, and the people who are silent are the ones that are happy with
something.
Silence doesn't confer anything. People can be displeased, cautiousl
On 12/13/20 1:32 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 12/13/20 8:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "si
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:06:50PM +, Simon Avery wrote:
>
> Can't say I'm really appreciating the trolling in this list.
It's to be expected. What I find surprising is the shilling for RH and
this decision that I am seeing. Oh well, such is life.
--
Seek not to follow in the footsteps of
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Gordon Messmer
wrote:
> So, the majority of users are silent, because they're happy? Cool.
>
Can't say I'm really appreciating the trolling in this list.
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On 12/13/20 8:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
>> the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
>> heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it
On 12/13/20 1:25 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100
Rainer Duffner wrote:
It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a
day on it.
not like Debian for instance
d
The workflow
On 13/12/2020 9:44 μ.μ., Simon Avery wrote:
There are 4,606 people on their Slack right now
...which, by the way, is being acquired by SalesForce!
Find a successor of Slack! 😉
Nick
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
> into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a
> day on it.
not like Debian for instance
d
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> Am 13.12.2020 um 20:44 schrieb Simon Avery :
>
>>
>>> And there's *a lot* more than five of us.
>>
>> Here is number six.
>>
>
> Just one of those groups energised from this decision is Rocky Linux. There
> are 4,606 people on their Slack right now, which did not even exist a week
> ago.
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:56:05AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>
> Your memory is still rusty. Early accusations were that this would impact
> developers (such as Oracle) who were adding additional patches to the
> kernel, or other maintenance. It never impacted "clones" like CentOS at
> all.
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is called that?
So, the majority of users are si
>
> > And there's *a lot* more than five of us.
>
> Here is number six.
>
Just one of those groups energised from this decision is Rocky Linux. There
are 4,606 people on their Slack right now, which did not even exist a week
ago.
Yeah, it's more than five.
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> Am 13.12.2020 um 19:53 schrieb Phelps, Matthew :
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gordon Messmer
> wrote:
>
>>> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, e
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gordon Messmer
wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> > And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
> > trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
> > endorsement".
>
>
> Exactly. That's wh
On 12/13/20 5:48 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
>> endorsement".
>
>
> Exactly. That's why it's so weird
On 13/12/2020 6:48 π.μ., Gordon Messmer wrote:
Red Hat is giving us the thing that has been requested more often, by
more people, than any other change in CentOS, and the result is that
the press is full of stories about users being angry, because five
people on the mailing lists sent a lot of
Le 11/12/2020 à 18:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
> I'll repeat what I said earlier, CentOS has never offered the things people
> are
> complaining about losing. They've never asked for your trust and confidence.
For the last 16 years, the explicit scope of the CentOS project has been to
rebuild R
Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
> Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to make
> CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the same reasons
> that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat Linux was.
Using Fedora on production serve
On 13.12.2020 11:48, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
>> endorsement".
>
>
> Exactly. That's why it's so weird
On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
endorsement".
Exactly. That's why it's so weird that those people, today, think that
CentOS Stream won'
On 12/11/20 12:23 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
won't lie. Citing him:
"To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
ecosystem developers. It wil
On 12/11/20 8:00 AM, Sergio Belkin wrote:
how could you ask trust and confidence with something like that:
I'll repeat what I said earlier, CentOS has never offered the things
people are complaining about losing. They've never asked for your trust
and confidence. Both Red Hat and the CentO
El vie, 11 dic 2020 a las 12:33, Matthew Miller ()
escribió:
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:23:59AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > >This is not a production operating system."
> > Does he say that CentOS is a production operating system?
> >
> > As far as I know, Red Hat has never endorsed running
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:33 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:23:59AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > >This is not a production operating system."
> > Does he say that CentOS is a production operating system?
> >
> > As far as I know, Red Hat has never endorsed running CentO
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:23:59AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> >This is not a production operating system."
> Does he say that CentOS is a production operating system?
>
> As far as I know, Red Hat has never endorsed running CentOS in
> production, so I don't understand why it's significant tha
Il 11/12/20 12:59, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto:
On 11.12.2020 17:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto:
My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least
to CentOS community.
Other bug-to-bug compatible RH
On 11.12.2020 17:41, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
> Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto:
>> My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least
>> to CentOS community.
>>
>> Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this
>> is the p
Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto:
My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least
to CentOS community.
Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this
is the part I am less worried about. If someone is happy with Cent
Am 11.12.20 um 09:23 schrieb Gordon Messmer:
On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
won't lie. Citing him:
"To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
ecosystem developers. It wil
On 11.12.2020 15:23, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
>> Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
>> won't lie. Citing him:
>>
>> "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
>> ecosystem develop
On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
won't lie. Citing him:
"To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day.
So, like F
On 11.12.2020 08:25, Gordon Messmer wrote:
[...]
> For practical purposes, CentOS Stream will need to be fully patched for
> compatibility purposes, just like CentOS is, and will be equally suited
> for production purposes.
Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to
make CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the
same reasons that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat Linux
was. CentOS Stream should fix the biggest problems that CentOS has had
in the past, pro
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