Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Therese Trudeau wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > triple with Windows. > >>> Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and > >>> let the built in time machine tool do

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>>> If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the >>> CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) >> >> Good question when I started out I had windows so that's >> what I bought - Adobe windows versions. I'm considering >> migrating to Mac though because Adobe just start

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. >>> Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and >>> let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > >> Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all > >> major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just > >> about the entire suite. > >> > >> I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one > >> is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in tim

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all >> major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just >> about the entire suite. >> >> I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one >> is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible >> to have t

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Dennis McLeod
rudeau Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:03 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box >> Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: >> >> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-Mar

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Les Mikesell wrote: > > Ross S. W. Walker wrote: > > > > Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get > > yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or > > triple with Windows. > > Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and > let the built in tim

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external fir

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: >> >> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html > > First, you should probably get your applications from a company that > doesn't hate its customers... But aside from that, this restriction > should only apply

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > > >>> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a > >>> 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would > >>> be able to order > >>> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. > >>> Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical rep

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Therese Trudeau wrote: I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull the r

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
> What do you think of alternative back up systems, such as a tape >> backup with >> bare metal restore software? I'd go that route instead if I could fine a >> solution which >> would allow me to restore to different hardware, i.e. if my motherboard dies >> and I need to buy a different brand

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> I have two home workstation machines. >> One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if >> possible >> to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to >> manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull >> the raid ca

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . > > Ah haha sorry was not paying attention, it's here: :) > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096054.html OOPS - I need some more coffee this am - HERE is the correct thread: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/c

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> No, read this: >> >> my previous thread... >> > > Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . Ah haha sorry was not paying attention, it's here: :) http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096054.html ___

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>>> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed >>> for a desktop machine. >>> >>> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the >>> first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your >>> good to go. >>> >>> You can use dump/restore to backup

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Therese Trudeau wrote: I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull the

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> ACTUALLY I totally forgot. I absoluteluy can not use software raid. >> Because I use Adobe products. Adobe products do not install >> well on software raid systems, and tend to crash on software raid beacuse of >> their activation process. If I go raid, I absolutely need a hardware raid >

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>>> That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a >>> 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would >>> be able to order >>> a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. >>> Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement >>> cards for their SATA

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 > > > > > >> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is > >> needed for a desktop machine. > >> > >> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out > >> of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of th

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > > > You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed > > for a desktop machine. > > > > You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the > > first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your > > good to go. > > > > You can u

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 > > >> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a >> desktop machine. >> >> You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. >> Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. >>

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > >>> This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending > >>> more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered > >>> another computer. > >> > >> I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home > >> computer than to design a system with redundanc

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
> You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a > desktop machine. > > You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. > Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. > > You can use dump/restore to backup the logical vol

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>>> This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending >>> more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered >>> another computer. >> >> I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home >> computer than to design a system with redundancy. >> However that new conputer I

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: > > > This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending > > more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered > > another computer. > > I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home > computer than to design a system with redundancy. > However

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> Just for fun, the first hit on a google for "redundant atx power supply" >> >> http://www.directron.com/tc400r8.html >> >> >> Seems you can just plop one into your std atx chassis . . . >> >> > > i have never understood how something with a single feed can be termed > 'redundant' Yeah, that

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well > (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) > Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. >>> >>> That's a very good po

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID 1 setup >> I'm planning >> is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so there >> is not the traditional >> slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 and 2u rack servers have. Unless >> there is som

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID " 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box > That is true, buy high quality stuff up front for fewer problems down > the road. Not a sure bet, but a better one. In the half dozen systems > I've been running at home for the past several years none of them > have

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
will only work with another identical HW RAID card. -Ross - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Fri Mar 14 09:08:39 2008 Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box >>> You ca

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >>> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) >>> >> >> Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to >> help if your PS fails. >> >> > > redundant power supplies connected

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) > > Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to > help if your PS fails. That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually t

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 3/10/08, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well >> (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) > > Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to > help if your

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 3/10/08, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well > > (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) > > Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to > help i

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On 3/10/08, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well > (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. -- Robert Arkiletian E

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
nate wrote the whole point of a BBU is that you can turn on write back caching - and get a fair win in write performance on regular tasks. You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) UPS isnt going to help

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a "real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
nate wrote: > > Therese Trudeau wrote: > > > Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. > > > > One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. > > I guess if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 > > drives he said go with > > RAID 5 over RAID 1. Isn't R

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: > Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. > > One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. > I guess if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 > drives he said go with > RAID 5 over RAID 1. Isn't RAID 1 mirroring a better soluti

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Karanbir Singh wrote: > Therese Trudeau wrote: >> I'm just really looking for a RAID card that will do RAID 1, with four >> drive capacity, i.e., >> a master drive with the OS and applications installed and mirrored, and a >> slave drive for data and >> photos, graphic design, video, etc also mirro

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:17:29AM -0400, Therese Trudeau enlightened us: > Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. > > One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. I guess > if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 drives he > said go with RAID 5 ove

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread John R Pierce
Therese Trudeau wrote: Ah that makes total sense now, thanks. Do the 3wire and the Areca cards allow you to remove battery/cache/disk and install into similar motherboard? Also when you say remove battery and cache, do you mean remove the entire RAID card with battery attached to it as complete

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread John R Pierce
Therese Trudeau wrote: the whole point of a BBU is that you can turn on write back caching - and get a fair win in write performance on regular tasks. Pardon my ignorance, what is write back caching and BBU? Write Back Caching means the card will cache writes in its onboard storage,

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> I'm considering setting up my Centos Desktop machine for RAID 1. I >> read a lot of good info at this site:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/ >> Hardware/sata.html#intel-vitesse about differences in fakeraid and >> real raid cards. >> > > Discontinued chipset but works fine: > > http://www.new

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Therese Trudeau wrote: > I'm just really looking for a RAID card that will do RAID 1, with four drive > capacity, i.e., > a master drive with the OS and applications installed and mirrored, and a > slave drive for data and > photos, graphic design, video, etc also mirrored. What would battery bu

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Therese Trudeau
>> So these cards are just plug n play? Just plug them in, no software or >> drivers required, >> all mirroring is managed by firmware built into the card RAID card itself? > > Drivers are required for all storage adapters(RAID or not). 3Ware > handles raid in hardware, not in software, it has a

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Most of the things in this email, from me are a personal opinoin, but I do spend a fair bit of time with these sort of things, these days. Therese Trudeau wrote: >> 3Ware 8000-series cards are probably the most compatible going back >> at least 3 years. 9000-series cards are faster/better and Cent

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: > So these cards are just plug n play? Just plug them in, no software or > drivers required, > all mirroring is managed by firmware built into the card RAID card itself? Drivers are required for all storage adapters(RAID or not). 3Ware handles raid in hardware, not in soft

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: > Do such cards exist? If so which model /manufacturers do you recommend? > Any experiences/info/insights on hardware RAID cards good or bad on centos > boxes would be appreciated. 3Ware 8000-series cards are probably the most compatible going back at least 3 years. 9000-

[CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID" 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Therese Trudeau
Hi, I'm considering setting up my Centos Desktop machine for RAID 1. I read a lot of good info at this site:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-vitesse about differences in fakeraid and real raid cards. The hardware I plan on installing this RAID card into is an Intel DP35DP