Call for a Reporter: Press Pass to "Digital Divide" Seminar

2005-03-21 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Would anyone here be interested in attending a seminar on the "Digital Divide" on April 21st for Fusion Authority? The seminar is taking place on April 21st at Santa Clara University in California. Basically, you'd get in free and would have to write it up for the magazine. Here's the informatio

Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > you know what, Gruss? You sound really bitter. > I dunno about bitter - that has a tone of finality to it. Maybe I'm coming across wrong on email, but I guess I am a little angry: there's no political party for me. Maybe I'm an angry ethnic male. It feels as if nobody believes

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
And I think this one says it all -- http://physiologyonline.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/17/1/38 nuff said Dana News in Physiological Sciences, Vol. 17, No. 1, 38-42, February 2002 (c) 2002 Int. Union Physiol. Sci./Am. Physiol. Soc. Is there a Mind? Electrophysiology of Unconscious Patients

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
http://www.jsmf.org/meetings/2003/nov/LaureysANB2002.pdf Acta neurol. belg., 2002, 102, 177-185 Abstract Positron emission tomography (PET) techniques represent a useful tool to better understand the residual brain function in vegetative state patients. It has been shown that overall cerebral meta

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/daniel.bor/pvs2002.pdf Neurocase (2002) Vol. 8, pp. 394–403 (c) Oxford University Press 2002 Detecting Residual Cognitive Function in Persistent Vegetative State Adrian M. Owen, David K. Menon1, Ingrid S. Johnsrude, Daniel Bor, Sophie K. Scott2, Tom Manly, Emm

cool stuff

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
-- HMS Victory's sail goes on show Officers and ratings proudly holding HMS Victory's fore topsail after discovering it in a gymnasium The battle-scarred sail was rediscovered in a gym The sail used on Nelson's flagship HMS Victory during the Battle of Trafalgar has gone on public display. The 3

Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
you know what, Gruss? You sound really bitter. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:28:57 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana wrote: > > I dunno it's enough to make me re-think my party affiliation. This > > and some Democratic legislator saying that terri schiavo was a threat > > t

Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I dunno it's enough to make me re-think my party affiliation. This > and some Democratic legislator saying that terri schiavo was a threat > to democracy. Absolutely astounding. Here Sam, let me starve you, make > sure your rights are protected. Hmmm. > If you are socially con

RE: Sleepless in Vancouver?

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Davis
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:33:22 -0500, Larry C. Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SLEEPING SENIOR ENDS UP AT B.C. MORGUE > > A sleeping senior at a B.C. extended care facility was sent to a > > hospital morgue on Saturday, after being mistaken for her dead > > roommate. > > FULL STORY: > > http

Re: Sleepless in Vancouver?

2005-03-21 Thread Yves Arsenault
man... That IS a mistake Yves On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:33:22 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SLEEPING SENIOR ENDS UP AT B.C. MORGUE > A sleeping senior at a B.C. extended care facility was sent to a > hospital morgue on Saturday, after being mistaken for her dead > room

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
No Larry we don't get running water here let alone NPR. God. Hello, I am currently on campus in a classroom; sound is disabled and there is no radio here. Earlier I was on my laptop at a coffeehouse with live music. I'll listen. But what I am interested in are the neurologists' reports and what th

Sleepless in Vancouver?

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
SLEEPING SENIOR ENDS UP AT B.C. MORGUE A sleeping senior at a B.C. extended care facility was sent to a hospital morgue on Saturday, after being mistaken for her dead roommate. FULL STORY: http://cbc.ca/stories/2005/03/21/sleeping-dead0321 ~~

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I mean really, unless you're living in the wilds of Alaska (btw anyone heard from Beth Fliesher lately), NPR coverage is national. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:31:12 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NPR. > > You do have several NPR stations in New Mexico right? > > larry > >

Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
I dunno it's enough to make me re-think my party affiliation. This and some Democratic legislator saying that terri schiavo was a threat to democracy. Absolutely astounding. Here Sam, let me starve you, make sure your rights are protected. Hmmm. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:39:28 -0600, Gruss

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
NPR. You do have several NPR stations in New Mexico right? larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:16:21 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is this radio you speak of? Honestly, Larry you really come > across as very condescending sometimes. I am on a laptop with no > speakers, not at home, n

Re: images

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
BTW you may need to squint a lot to see the image. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:18:41 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've heard about various Christian images on stuff from trees to > glass to grilled cheese sandwiches, here's another one just a bit of > equal time. > > CN

images

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You've heard about various Christian images on stuff from trees to glass to grilled cheese sandwiches, here's another one just a bit of equal time. CNN Alerts: Offbeat Pet store owner: Satan's image on turtle's shell 03/21/05 07:22 AM, EST A turtle that was the only survivor of a pet shop fire ma

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
What is this radio you speak of? Honestly, Larry you really come across as very condescending sometimes. I am on a laptop with no speakers, not at home, not at work, ok? There is no radio here. Geez. Do you honestly think that radio could be an option and I would need you to suggest it? Dana On

RE: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Erika L Walker-Arnold
AHA! Yes, that indeed is a worry. Thank you for nutshelling it. Because this all centered around Schiavo, I have been turning a decidely deaf ear. -- ##| -Original Message- ##| From: Gruss Gott ##| ##| What this means is that your privat

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Erika wrote: > OK. This subject matter has been going on for days and I truly > appreciate everyone's opinions and stance on the matter ... > Well I care because I don't like when the federal government threatens my family as it is in this case (your too). What's happened is that a state famil

Deus Ex

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
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Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > RIGHTS AND SCHIAVO [Mark R. Levin] > http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp It's the kool-aid! You've found it and now you're offering us some! Well no thanks - I don't need partisan morons to do my thinking or writing for me. When RPMs (Republican partisan morons) st

RE: silly windows question

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Champagne
Ooops, I am repeating myself - must be time to go home. :) At 07:25 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote: >LOLwell, I don't think that's it, because I AM the admin. There is >only one login for this computer and we have no IT dept (we're a small shop >- 5 computers and no IT dept). > > > >At 07:05 PM 3

RE: silly windows question

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Champagne
LOLwell, I don't think that's it, because I AM the admin. There is only one login for this computer and we have no IT dept (we're a small shop - 5 computers and no IT dept). At 07:05 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote: >Try logging in as the computer's administrator account. See what is set >on tha

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I am about the closest this group has to a trained neurologist. As part of my training for the PhD program I was in, I did over 120 semester hours of post grad training in neuropsych assessment. That included neuroanatomy, administering the Halstead-Reitan test, various IQ measures, EEG interpretat

RE: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Erika L Walker-Arnold
OK. This subject matter has been going on for days and I truly appreciate everyone's opinions and stance on the matter ... What I want to know is, if she is kept alive, besides making her parents happy, what can it serve? She can't walk. She can't talk. She can't feed herself. She can't go to the

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
nope she's just lived longer than one would expect. When a time is given it typically refers to a mean age. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:21:16 -0800, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So odds are she's propbably not PVS > > > By all measures in the literature, Theresa has beaten teh odds in > >

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
turn on your radio. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:07:54 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can't anything involving sound right now, will look later on though. > > Dana > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:55:06 -0500, Larry C. Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Listen to the article from NPR -

Re: Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
RIGHTS AND SCHIAVO [Mark R. Levin] http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp The right to live, or more specifically, the right not to be killed, is a fundamental right. And it's a right recognized in our founding document, the Declaration of Independence. So ingrained in our society is th

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
yes at times I type too fast for myself. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:10:12 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah, a scientific *theory* -- is that what you were talking about. > > Dana > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:51:40 -0500, Larry C. Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's the bes

RE: silly windows question

2005-03-21 Thread Dawson, Michael
Try logging in as the computer's administrator account. See what is set on that profile. >From there, you should be able to replace that ugly alcohol image with a nice, work-friendly picture of female breastesses. M!ke -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S

silly windows question

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Champagne
hey all, this little "problem" has been bugging me for a couple of years now, and it is time i figured out how to fix it. when I start up my box (win 2K), the normal startup screens all pop up, everything works fine, except the screen shows an old wallpaper for about 30 seconds to 1 minute whil

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
Gruss. You know this how exactly? Please share; I admire your sense of certitude. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:33:39 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > So odds are she's propbably not PVS > > > > Yes, she's MOBIG, majority of brain irretrievably gone. She's died 15 >

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
And since you are poo-pooing all other opinions... this Jay Wolfson is a trained neurologist? Now here I *am* being sarcastic. As we both know, he is a lawyer and specializes in health care financing. What I would really like to see is the reports of the neurologists he mentioned. Dana On Mon, 2

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > So odds are she's propbably not PVS > Yes, she's MOBIG, majority of brain irretrievably gone. She's died 15 years ago, her brain is full of spinal fluid and she needs to be feed by machines. Put her to rest already! ~~~

Republicanism Is Dead (Was: Schiavo)

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Nick wrote: > Congress didn't overturn a judge. Congress gave the parents the right to ask > a federal judge. > False! The supposed defenders of state's right decided they didn't like the ruling of a state supreme court so they created legislation to allow the matter to be reviewed by another

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
So odds are she's propbably not PVS > By all measures in the literature, Theresa has beaten teh odds in > terms of surviving her persistent vegetative state condition. While > younger persons fare better than olders victims, life spans rarely, > according to the American Academy of Neurology, exce

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
Ah, a scientific *theory* -- is that what you were talking about. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:51:40 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the best one I have found by Stephen J. Gould. He has put this > as well as anyone else: > >In the American vernacular, "theory" oft

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Also read pgs 34 (33 in the pdf) "Thersa's neurological tests and CT scans indicate objective measures of the persistent vegetative state. These data indicate that Theresa's cerebral cortex is principlally liquid, having shrunken due to the severe anoxic trauma experienced thirteen years ago. The

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
can't anything involving sound right now, will look later on though. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:55:06 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Listen to the article from NPR - he explains things in more detail. > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4544756 > > > On

Re: Bush: "Err on the side of Life"

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Nick wrote: > Do you blame Bush for the executions in Texas? > > Are you familiar with the governor's powers in Death Penalty cases in Texas? > No. I'm making a general observation that the 'conservative culture of life' seems to be at odds with their hunger to kill prisoners. ~~

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Listen to the article from NPR - he explains things in more detail. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4544756 On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:48:16 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, yes, you posted this in the other thread. I've been over all > this. Have *you* read it yet

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here's the best one I have found by Stephen J. Gould. He has put this as well as anyone else: In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argu

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
Yes, yes, you posted this in the other thread. I've been over all this. Have *you* read it yet? It says that she should have a swallow evaluation and a permanent guardian ad litem. Both of which the judge was unwilling to do. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:37:12 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
Larry, give me credit. I got to http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo_project.htm but unless it's in the streaming video presentation I don't see where he is getting it. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:37:12 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Take off the CT%20 etc. > > You may also w

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
Well in the stories I looked at, it looked to me like it was the school the kid needed to be protected from. The cops, my god. Behavior problem or not. Reading between the lines, the child seems to be black and not going along with the program for institutionalization that prevails in inner city s

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
You got me, Larry, what's the defeinition of a scientific? I'm starting to understand the complaints about liberals thinking everyone is stupid. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:25:57 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember these are the people who think that theory means wild gue

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Take off the CT%20 etc. You may also want to have a look at the medical guardian at litum's report: http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/wolfson%27s%20report.pdf larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:33:55 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > have you got the link for the article that goes with this?

Re: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
good point, though I was being flippantbut yeah, judges interpret law, legislators are allowed to rewrite it and if enough of them agree on it it becomes a new law! Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:22:26 -0500, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Congress didn't overturn a judge. Congress g

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
have you got the link for the article that goes with this? > > Sorry, I dunno. I just heard the quote on NPR. However here is a > > link from the 2000 trial that shows a brain scan used in the trial. > > The light portions which appear have now deteriorated altogether. > > > > http://www.miami.e

Re: Wolfson: "No consistant response"

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I just heard the same article while driving home. Dr. Wolfson is the court appointed medical guardian at litum. Its well worth listening to. Also on the NPR page there is a link to his report on Ms. Shiavo to the courts. http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/wolfson%27s%20report.pdf larry On Mon,

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Champagne
Calling the cops does seem a little extreme, but think of it this way: if they had to call the cops once b/c of her misbehavior, then this is even more hard evidence that the mother is not fit to be one, and will help child welfare with their case At 05:24 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote: >The cop

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
rofl, yeah that was about the size of it. Though they weren't aggressive - they were both very sweet kids, still are, but capable of forgetting what they are doing any number of times as they walk from one room to the next. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:34:26 -0500, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

RE: Bush: "Err on the side of Life"

2005-03-21 Thread Nick McClure
Do you blame Bush for the executions in Texas? Are you familiar with the governor's powers in Death Penalty cases in Texas? > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:09 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Bush: "Err on the side of Life

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
The cops, Bill? The cops? What are they going to do, lock her up with the local child molesters? If the child is that big a handful there is something wrong and she needs treatment. If the mother won't get it it's time to call child welfare. But the cops? Let's get a grip. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 20

RE: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Nick McClure
You blame Bush? This passed the Senate with no opposition. > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:20 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Schiavo > > What happen to the checks and balances? > > This is Bush and the Republican

RE: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Nick McClure
Congress didn't overturn a judge. Congress gave the parents the right to ask a federal judge. > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Schiavo > > Since when can Congress overturn a judge? >

Wolfson: "No consistant response"

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
I just heard the 2003 court appointed guardian of Mrs Schiavo, Jay Wolfson, speaking on NPR. He said, "I visited her, held her hand, played music for her, for hours, and desperately tried to elicit a consistent reponse. However, I could not." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId

Bush: "Err on the side of Life"

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Deanna Schneider
No, I'm not saying that people who use corporal punishment are less smart. I'm just saying that I hope _I_ can be more creative with my punishments. I hope to be the kind of parent who can think up something that's a million times "worse" than getting spanked, and just as effective. Yes, that's rig

Re: Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Ok this is a fast glance at the scan, and remember I have not done this for quite a while so please take what I say with more than a few thousand grains of salt. But here's my take on the scan: prefrontal and frontal cortexes are mostly atrophied. These are mostly the controller systems in the bra

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
Yea i rarely had to get hit after i was a certain age but even until i was 17 my mother would sometimes give me a smack to the face if i was being a little bastard. Which on occasion did happen and once by reflex i smacked her back. NOW that was a story for the ages... I really thought my dad

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
LOL yea CP won't work with ADHD most of the time. Especially if they have it with aggressive behavior that some kids get. I couldn't do anything physical with megan because she did not have the attention span either way to know what the hell i was hitting her for. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:50:18 -07

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Damn Kool-aid drinkers. Gruss stop staring at that disk, look away > Aw, it's all done with computers these days. You see how these words look like they're typed? Well you're actually staring into a spinning graphic on the screen. You just *think* you're reading this because

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
I never busted my kids ass out of anger, neither did my parents. You always have to at least count to 10 and cool off if you even have a problem thinking you might hit your kid out of anger thats never the way. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:40:59 -0600, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yah,

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
I understand that Jim but just because they love their child and idolize them so much they are never at fault. It does not mean that she is even a horrible mother but shes not a great mother. I would say the #1 thing you have to do with a child is be able to discipline them and keep them in check.

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
I don't know if they didn't already try that. If the mothers not going to do her job and discipline her child and teach her that behaviour is not acceptable then i could see why they would call the cops. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:46:48 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to admit that th

Re: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
1) Physical Discipline != Violence because childabuse is VIOLENCE but hitting your kid is not violence sure it matchs the literal definition but that dad who let her hit him back was the trouble there. 2) I hope you're not trying to say people who use physical discipline are not as smart as people

Great Schiavo Fact Site

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
BTW, this U of Miami Ethics program is a great site. The home is here: http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo_project.htm But this is a good place to start: http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm ~| Protect your mail

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
Damn Kool-aid drinkers. Gruss stop staring at that disk, look away On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:54:19 -0600, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Next you'r going to call Dana a dittohead :) > > > > By the way Dana, KKOB 770 AM 10a-1p > > > > Once you get that going, the men will show up with the

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
LOL sure her parents heard her say MOMMA and mommy. It is what a parent wants to hear. And as for the stuff about not feeding her more because she didn't want to be caught by michael i don't know why she tries to play that card. I mean if shes allowed to give her stuff then its none of his problem

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Next you'r going to call Dana a dittohead :) > > By the way Dana, KKOB 770 AM 10a-1p > Once you get that going, the men will show up with the special kool-aid and the spinning disk to stare into. ~| Find out how

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
Next you'r going to call Dana a dittohead :) By the way Dana, KKOB 770 AM 10a-1p On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:08:38 -0600, G wrote: > I can understand that, and you can understand that.i just don't think > there is any way of getting the conservatives to understand that. > > My point also is th

Schiavo Brain Scan Picture & Timeline

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > this is someone that has examined her? What's her name? Highly > relevant if correct. > Sorry, I dunno. I just heard the quote on NPR. However here is a link from the 2000 trial that shows a brain scan used in the trial. The light portions which appear have now deteriorated alt

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
But in spite of the lack of advanced testing, such as an MRI, attorney George Felos has claimed that Terri's cerebral cortex has "liquefied," and doctors for Michael Schiavo have claimed, on the basis of the CT scans, that parts of Terri's cerebral cortex "have been replaced by fluid." The problem

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Remember these are the people who think that theory means wild guess. Yet I have yet to hear a single conservative opponent get the definition of a scientific correct. larry On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:17:50 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > My point also is that, eve

Re: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
yep, that's a good summary of her husband's position I am outta here. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:18:33 -0800, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let see... > > She caused this to herself. She starved herself when she was young. She > caused her chemical imbalance. She cause her

Re: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Jeff Williams
What happen to the checks and balances? This is Bush and the Republicans cause terror in the US >From: Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: cf-community@houseoffusion.com >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: Schiavo >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:17:04 -0700 > >um... I know this one ... by passing a law?

RE: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Jeff Williams
Let see... She caused this to herself. She starved herself when she was young. She caused her chemical imbalance. She cause her heart to stop. She cause herself to be brain dead. LET HER STARVE! This is what she wanted 15 years ago... Kill the C_U_N_T! ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP AND A WASTE OF

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
hehe I am not doing a very good job of shutting up on this am I. I am going to go deal with my life now. Let me know what that neurologist's name is, if you find out. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:14:10 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana wrote: > > If I were incapacitated I migh

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > My point also is that, even if you could get them to admit what the science > says, I don't think it would change many of their positions. > That's right! The whole, "you need a cerebral cortex for sentient life" thing is, after all, not a fact but a theory ... right? ~

Re: Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
um... I know this one ... by passing a law? On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:14:28 -0800, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since when can Congress overturn a judge? > > _ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download tod

Schiavo

2005-03-21 Thread Jeff Williams
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Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > If I were incapacitated I might prefer that to some of the > alternatives. However, since I have written a living will I will not > be in this position. Michael Schiavo may well have been a decent > husband up until the point where he wrote her off. I just don't see > more informati

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread G
I can understand that, and you can understand that.i just don't think there is any way of getting the conservatives to understand that. My point also is that, even if you could get them to admit what the science says, I don't think it would change many of their positions. > > A female neur

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
this is someone that has examined her? What's her name? Highly relevant if correct. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:04:16 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > Does it matter? > > > > Most people on the other side of this issue see NO circumstances where life > > saving m

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > Does it matter? > > Most people on the other side of this issue see NO circumstances where life > saving measures can or should be removed, whether she's seen 1 neurologist > or 1000. > A female neurologist that examined her just said on NPR that, "most of her cerebral cotex has

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Looks like Florida is a no fault divorce state so he's safe. > I don't think he was too worried. Either way this is a moot point as his wife should've died back in the 1993 if his wishes had been carried out as he is legally entitled. Is your point that if you're married and your

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
I'm lost. You said the SMART is now used because the old system was not reliable. But now you're saying that SMART isn't necessary because of the old system. Only one judge ruled her PVS and it was based on the three doctors I mentioned and not one spent more than an hour with her. He decided that

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
It matters to me. What matters to Tom DeLay may well be a change of subject. Can't say. Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:49:40 -0600, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it matter? > > Most people on the other side of this issue see NO circumstances where life > saving measures can or should be remo

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
And to ask your earlier question -- these courts (actually it was one I believe, whith numerous appeals on procedural grounds) -- but these courts, they are trained neurologists? Dana On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:47:05 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > because after 15 years there is

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Dana
If I were incapacitated I might prefer that to some of the alternatives. However, since I have written a living will I will not be in this position. Michael Schiavo may well have been a decent husband up until the point where he wrote her off. I just don't see more information as a bad thing in thi

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ken wrote: > I think Beer Battered is the most common. > Yuk, I think. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread G
Does it matter? Most people on the other side of this issue see NO circumstances where life saving measures can or should be removed, whether she's seen 1 neurologist or 1000. >I agree and I repeat my question. Has any of that progress been made > available to Terri Schiavo? Has Terri Schiave

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
Looks like Florida is a no fault divorce state so he's safe. http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/2417C3B0-40D6-4A82-B178610A6B165D08/alpha/A/ (Make a shorter lin. take this" http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/ Then add this: Term/2417C3B0-40D6-4A82-B178610A6B165D08/alpha/A/ ) Consensual sexua

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
because after 15 years there is no need to. Numerous courts have found that the original diagnosis to be correct. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:38:19 -0800, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You found that insulting? Senstive aren't we. > > You posted the article and now you're discrediting it. Another

Re: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > You keep saying that. So if someone tells a battered spouse about > shelters and child support, according to your argument, they are > interfering in what does not concern them. > Yes, they are. If the person doesn't ask for help, legally it's none of our business; morally, mayb

RE: The Revoke Family Rights Act of 2005

2005-03-21 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I think Beer Battered is the most common. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:59:33 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You keep saying that. So if someone tells a battered spouse about > shelters and child support, according to your argument, they are > interfering in what does not concern them. Batter

RE: You know it's been a tough day at kindergarten when ...

2005-03-21 Thread Ian Skinner
> I mean, I'd never hit my husband just because I'm mad at him. Why > would I hit my child? That is a key point. Spanking in anger is trouble. If the parent is not calm then discipline (whether corporal or not) is not achieved. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.Blood

Re: The Incapacitat ed Pe rson

2005-03-21 Thread Sam
You found that insulting? Senstive aren't we. You posted the article and now you're discrediting it. Another insult, whatever. So if this SMART method is so good, why haven't they used it on Terri? "Dr. Melvin Greer, appointed by Schiavo, testified that a doctor need not examine a patient to kn

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