US plans to 'fight the net' revealed

2006-01-28 Thread Andrew Grosset
Makes you think: "The US military seeks the capability to knock out every telephone, every networked computer, every radar system on the planet" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm Andrew. ~| Message: http://

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Cameron Childress
Being from Atlanta, this part of the thread's got my interest... I grew up in suburban Atlanta, an area on the border of the town of Tucker and Stone Mountain. While I was in my teens, the church my family attended did a "Caring Tree" project every Christmas. It's your standard "every ornament h

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Nah, they won't work. I can't even get them to come over and clean my house for good wages. They just want hand-outs. I've even bought birth control pills and condoms for them, only to have them turn up pregnant again a few months later. Total lack of any sense of self-worth or responsibility.

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > Showed up? Did you mean tonight, because I've always been here on the > list, almost since the day it was created. > No, on this thread. It was really getting dark for awhile. ~| Message: http://www.houseoff

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> KG wrote: > Haha, fucking mindmeld man. Now get outta my brain! > http://media.starterupsteve.com/swf/Posting.swf ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:194951 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_list

Re: Thunderbird Memory

2006-01-28 Thread Raymond Camden
Oh yeah - the day it came out. On 1/26/06, Earl, George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raymond said: > > Anyone else seen Thunderbird go nuts when deleting emails? I've got a > > folder with quite a few emails in them, and when I go to delete even > > just 10 messages a time, memory usage will shoot

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Yes, rural georgia. Although parts of the city have clusters of them too On 1/28/06, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to go. But what I was wondering was -- we are talkng someplace rural, > yes? Not Atlanta? > > Dana > > > Nah, they won't work. I can't even get them to come over

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
I need to go. But what I was wondering was -- we are talkng someplace rural, yes? Not Atlanta? Dana > Nah, they won't work. I can't even get them to come over and clean > my > house for good wages. They just want hand-outs. I've even bought > birth control pills and condoms for them, only t

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
I don't think I would want my child being watched by some of the people you are describing ;) Remember that the parent is responsible for the quality of the child care, and if your toddler wanders into traffic while Ms Baby Phat jeans is doing her nails, then you, my dear, are the one that gets

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Agreed. But you probably don't want to get my started on my views about drugs and other "moral" crimes. On 1/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, I'm for that. You'll never stop drugs or prostitution so you > might as well regulate it and tax it.

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Showed up? Did you mean tonight, because I've always been here on the list, almost since the day it was created. On 1/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man am I glad you showed up. I was beginning to think everyone was > living in world devoid of honor and integrity. ~

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > When they start taxing prostitutes and crack dealers, I'll consider > them part of the economy. > BTW, I'm for that. You'll never stop drugs or prostitution so you might as well regulate it and tax it. ~| Mess

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > Yeah, it force the (white) girl who lives down the hill to feed and > cloth her children instead of spending the monthly check on silk nails > and Baby Phat jeans. > Man am I glad you showed up. I was beginning to think everyone was living in world devoid of honor and integrity

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
What are your feelings on sweat shops, which would surely arise without a government mandated minimum wage? I'm not sure exactly how I feel about a minimum wage. I don't like the concept, but I like the alternatives less. On 1/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3.) Minimum wage = We

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
is she on welfare? If so she probably already gets food stamps. Is there work in that town? She may be trying, in a dysfunctional way, to get interview clothes. Or not. Perhaps she is terminally self-involved, and as I mentioned, the answer to that, if the child is truly neglected, is a call to

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Back home in the south I could take you to numerous households where grandma, mom and teenaged kids all received government assistance in some form at some time. They may not all be getting it at the same time, but it is always their first choice of income. When they start taxing prostitutes and

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > The government agency in charge of handing out the welfare could > provide child care by putting together the groups, even training some > of the mothers in child care. It's a breath of fresh air! +1000 > No, I'm not. I am saying that the current system is a dismal failure >

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
don't know a thing about middle Georgia or your cousin, so I can't speak to the choices available to those women. I suspect a lot of them wouldn't mind a break from their screaming rug rats and would be glad to work to get it ;) Where is middle Georgia anyway, LOL? > I don't know any black wome

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > Do you now. Can you explain how this differs from the current system? > Don't understand a word. I'll paraphrase for you (again): 1.) Corporate Welfare bad. However, cities have a right to bid for jobs. I don't favor it. 2.) Personal Welfare bad. If you give people cash as o

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Yeah, it force the (white) girl who lives down the hill to feed and cloth her children instead of spending the monthly check on silk nails and Baby Phat jeans. On 1/28/06, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you now. Can you explain how this differs from the current system? > > Dana > > >

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
There WERE a lot of multigeneration welfare families. Kinda tough to get multigenerational anymore with a five-year time limit. I'll grant you that looking for the crack pipe is opting out of society, but if that is what is going on then what is called for is foster care and an offer of a trip

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
On 1/28/06, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > they could huh ;) You assume that ten such women know each other. Exactly how > flexible do you think they should be? Drunken eighbors, abusive ex-husbands, > street people? How about all those unemployed people in the mental health > wards?

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > ::shrug:: Sorry. I often agree with you, but on this child care issue you are > plain wrong. Well, I guess that explains why I find myself agreeing with just about everything she's saying. ~| Message: http://www.

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
Do you now. Can you explain how this differs from the current system? Dana >Instead I favor Maureen's approach that provides the good and services >necessary to get someone back on their feet. Note that this is >TOTALLY DIFFERENT than giving someone cash. ~~

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
I've met them. I met them in my neighborhood, at the family gatherings, at the Rape Crisis center where I volunteered for many years, in the streets of Watts where I worked for several years with a literacy program. Yes, there are a lot of poor people out there who are 2nd, 3rd or even 4th genera

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
ROFL. But see... it isn't welfare when you give it to a corporation ;) Welfare=minimum wage. Or something ;) thanks, I needed that Dana >It's not their's to give to the corporations either, and if you don' t >think corporate welfare is a reality, I wonder what color the sky is >on your planet. >

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > It's not their's to give to the corporations either, and if you don' t > think corporate welfare is a reality, I wonder what color the sky is > on your planet. > Apparently nobody read the part of my post that said this: "When the gov't takes money from people who've earned it

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
they could huh ;) You assume that ten such women know each other. Exactly how flexible do you think they should be? Drunken eighbors, abusive ex-husbands, street people? How about all those unemployed people in the mental health wards? If you thought child care was a red herring, you did not r

So I got a Gameboy Micro...

2006-01-28 Thread Jim Davis
The local "Toys'r'Us" is going out of business and all video game stuff is at least 30% of. This meant new GB Micros for around $65 (and GB SPs for under $50). No PSPs or XBox 360's tho'. ;^) Anyway my son (7 years old) has had an SP for several years and has a large library of kids games and G

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
I don't know any black women on welfare, but I know plenty of middle Georgia white wimmen who hang at the trailer park or at their mama's house with their screaming rug rats. I have one lazy-ass cousin who hasn't spoken to me since she called and asked me if I knew how she could get a house and ca

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > We have come a long way from the original purpose of these programs. I firmly agree with everything you said. I have no problem with helping people who need a boost getting back on their feet. I was one of those people so I understand them very well. From one of your posts ea

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
you know -- I spent several years working on the wrong side of the tracks in Washington DC, which is an inner city if there ever was one, and I don't think I *ever* met anyone who got up in the morning and said "today, I will refuse to participate in the economy!" ;) No offense,but what I see

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
You can always find child care if you are flexiable in your arrangements, and almost all the colleges and training centers have some form of day care. I've always felt that lack of child care is a red herring in the welfare debate. If nothing else, they could form groups of 10 moms, 9 of whom wor

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
It's not their's to give to the corporations either, and if you don' t think corporate welfare is a reality, I wonder what color the sky is on your planet. On 1/28/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, the gov't doesn't make money, therefore it's not their's to give.

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
We have come a long way from the original purpose of these programs. They are part of what was a war on poverty. It was supposed to give people in extreme economic distress a chance to have a better life. It was never supposed to bread and circuses for those who refuse to participate in the econ

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
I think here is the essence of what is bothering me about this thread. We seem to be speaking, in code, about black teenagers having babies. While this does happen, in fact most welfare recipients are white, adult divorcees who receive benefits for less than two years. That's welfare=TANF. I'l

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
and the availability of child care ;) >kids, and is now a computer scientist with a six figure salary. Of >course, achievement like that assumes the presence of a brain, and a >willingness to work. > >On 1/26/06, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 1. a mother who cant afford child care, >>

Re: CF-Comm Welfare Invitational

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Not necessary. I could tell you about a woman who found herself divorced and alone at 24 with two pre-school children, no child support, no marketable skills, and the inflation and sorry job market of the mid-70s. She got her GED, went to college on financial aid, while working full time packing g

Re: Mileage update ...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Mine is by Oregon Scientific. I bought it at Marshalls for 12.95. It shows steps, miles and calories burned, and has setting for length of stride, and sensitivity. It has has a pulse meter. I haven't measured the accuracy of the step count yet, but the mileage it records from here to the office

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
Jesus. No, I said nothing of the kind. I said that scenarios that increase demand involve poor people HAVING more money. No mention at all of it coming from the government, you Karl Rove wannabe ;) Now, the New Deal did involve a number of government work programs, in which the unemployed buil

Re: Mileage update ...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Nice, but not me. On 1/27/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my space blog for mamamaureen > > http://myspace.com/mamamaureen > > :) tw_rimshot ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:194914 Archives: http:

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
The right to free speech is in much more danger from the current administration with their Patriot Act and other actions than from anyone in Iraq. Those who will stand up against Shrub and his minions are doing more to protect free speech than any soldier in Iraq. The troops who are currently in

Re: Mileage update ...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
ok, that's it, I am inspired >Maureen that's fabulous Wow! Congratulations! > >Walking is such superb exercise. Especially in SF. :) Keep it up. > >I am very sore today in the back of my right leg. Been stretching it all >morning. I hope it doesn't bug me too much later. I really want to d

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread dana tierney
Stupid orphans. Should have gotten born to healthier parents. Seriously, I mentioned Hard Times in a previous thread. He said he didn't like Dickens. He isn't even Victorian. This is pure Adam Smith. Thomas Hobbes, in Leviathan. 'No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, cont

Re: Mileage update ...

2006-01-28 Thread Maureen
Just a few here, old and new, so you can really see the difference http://pics.livejournal.com/cloudwatcher/ On 1/27/06, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pics of Maureen? I'd like to see those, too. I don't actually have a pic in > my head.

Re: Too freakin cool

2006-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
thx, I'll be definately downloading it. larry On 1/28/06, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check out XAMPP. > http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html > > "XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP > and Perl. XAMPP is really very easy to install and to use.

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Kevin Graeme
Haha, fucking mindmeld man. Now get outta my brain! On 1/28/06, Wayne Putterill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's like the 20th century never happened - Charles Dickens would be > familiar with your economic theories! > > Seriously, do you realise how victorian you sound? I fully expect your > nex

Re: Iraq/Afghanistan Veterans Tell their stories

2006-01-28 Thread Wayne Putterill
Welcome to the new world order, where money is king and human lives are worthless. On 1/28/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How long this site will remain up is anyone's guess. > > http://www.iava.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=133&Itemid=119 > > "I remember times we had to post f

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Wayne Putterill
It's like the 20th century never happened - Charles Dickens would be familiar with your economic theories! Seriously, do you realise how victorian you sound? I fully expect your next post to be an essay on the benefits of the workhouse system, including a paragraph on how orphans can be utilised a

Iraq/Afghanistan Veterans Tell their stories

2006-01-28 Thread Vivec
How long this site will remain up is anyone's guess. http://www.iava.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=133&Itemid=119 "I remember times we had to post female MP's at the Oil Ministry so they could search the female employees. The Oil Ministry was heavily guarded like a fortress with tanks

Re: Too freakin cool

2006-01-28 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I checked it out, but it looks like he's just got an iso image of all the software you need, ie eclipse, mysql, eclipse plugins, etc. The thing that I really liked about this Ruby on Rails one was that there was zero install aside from unzipping into a directory. Everything was preconfigured to r

Re: Too freakin cool

2006-01-28 Thread Kevin Graeme
Check out XAMPP. http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html "XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. XAMPP is really very easy to install and to use." Deanna will attest that I nearly wet myself with how easy this was. I do wish it included an easy gui inte

Re: Too freakin cool

2006-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Steven Collins did something similar with ACME (Apache CF MySQL cfEclipse). and a pdf on how to set everything up. Its all in an ISO file. You can download it at http://www.stephencollins.org/acme/ larry On 1/27/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know you guys get tired of heari

Re: This guy needs to get the shit beat out of him...

2006-01-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > If you think that Keynes is about the government handing out money > than say handing 22 billion to the insurance industry, I'm not saying Keynes said that you are! ^^ See ^^ You keep saying that the gov't is "handing" money to corporations. You just said it again. The

Re: Need Site Reviewers Please

2006-01-28 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > Always the troublemaker... > > Just a workstation behind a firewall, proxy and monitoring system that would > make Big Brother proud. The only way I can get out is SSH, or use out-of-band > communication by phone. Wow, didn't realize you were tied up in so many layers of red tape there. Might

Re: Too freakin cool

2006-01-28 Thread Vivec
Can't this be done with some scripting and Blue Dragon? On 1/28/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Go to a client site with a thumb > drive. Pop it in a usb port and within 10 seconds be demoing a fully > functional database driven web app. ~~~

Re: Need Site Reviewers Please

2006-01-28 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Kevin Graeme wrote: > On 1/27/06, Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> >> I tried that URL in both Lynx and a mobile phone, but it didn't work. > > Always the troublemaker... Just a workstation behind a firewall, proxy and monitoring system that would make Big Brother proud. The only way I can get out i