An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change

2007-02-11 Thread Robert Munn
Interesting issues raised around solar activity and warming/cooling of the atmosphere. The article does not preclude greenhouse gases being a factor in climate change, but it asks what the relative importance of them is in comparison to solar activity. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/arti

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Zap wrote: > Wait a second GG, aren't you the one who says your life is all about your > choices? Well, if that's the case, then vouchers shouldn't be on the > table. But I'm also the guy who says that the government's role is to keep the playing field level. That means a strong educational sy

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Are you claiming you're not? > Well, I was just thinking how cool it is that, on the same board, I can be called "extreme right" and a lefty ... all in the same day! As I've said a bazillion times, I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Translation: don't want the guvment

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
Are you claiming you're not? On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > I'm amazed that you have such an angry bias based on emotions and > > little knowledge. Ah, the left. > > > > DENNY!! SEE! He called me a lefty again! ~

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I'm amazed that you have such an angry bias based on emotions and > little knowledge. Ah, the left. > DENNY!! SEE! He called me a lefty again! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integrati

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
On 2/11/07, GG wrote: > > > Dennis wrote: > > Private school teechz I know too, but public has > > a special place for me. > > > > I have a whole section of my family that are public school teachers > and administrators in Milwaukee, Chicago and Dalls, and they > unanimously tell me that vouchers

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > History hasn't been written yet. > I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that a President who's presided over a foreign policy disaster, who continues to make the same mistakes, who is one point above Nixon just before he resigned, and who's press corps is no longer sho

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
You're very polite :) On 2/11/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But somebody just like yourself, 30 years from now, will call you the > > > Idiot Right for believing in something so obviously flawed. > > > > History hasn't been written yet. ~~~

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
But Gee Gee isn't getting paid for it :) On 2/11/07, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No..Simon's an asshole. He makes his living off being an asshole. > They sat down in a room with the producers and thats the role he's paid to > play. > > It's quite possible to tell people the truth without b

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
I'm amazed that you have such an angry bias based on emotions and little knowledge. Ah, the left. On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reagan was a fiscal conservative (my kind of guy), Bush is a fiscal > liberal. Reagan listened too and collaborated with the military, Bush > was

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Robert Munn
On 2/10/07, Gruss wrote: > > > I've never supported this President for any reason on just about every > policy - you have. History will ask you why. I will defend you by > saying that things were complicated, that your position, at the time, > was reasonable. But somebody just like yourself, 30

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Robert Munn
What a joke. All rant and no facts. On 2/11/07, Denilicious wrote: > > > This joker has pulled some serious stunts. And in the name of > "protecting the people". It's just amazing. Freaking amazing. > > See, Rob-- THAT'S the terrorists winning. SillyBush2 has > been making it happen, and we e

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > > He'll be known as the President who drove policy by ideology rather > > than facts. The anti-MBA. What an irony. > Reagan was a fiscal conservative (my kind of guy), Bush is a fiscal liberal. Reagan listened too and collaborated with the military, Bush was their adversary via R

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Vivec
No..Simon's an asshole. He makes his living off being an asshole. They sat down in a room with the producers and thats the role he's paid to play. It's quite possible to tell people the truth without being an asshole. But if someone's paying you hundreds of thousands to be an asshole for an hour o

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
That's probably what you said about Reagan too. On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless other President's follow Bush's lead; otherwise I agree except > that the signing statement blurb will be below "worst foreign policy > in US history". That will be the bulk of his legacy an

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
Is that how you two get throught the day? Whatever. On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Isn't he the asshole? > > > > That's what people who don't like hearing the truth call him. ~| Upgrade to Ad

Re: Global Climate Change???

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
Why the insults? Aren't you the one that cries all the time about name calling yet here you go again totally unprovoked? The weird thing is I agreed with you and you keep coming back with more crap about hypnotizing witnesses? I gave an example of Colin Ferguson that killed people on a train and wa

Re: Global Climate Change???

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
That was boring and had nothing to do with our discussion or even the Libby trial. What was that? On 2/11/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rather than send you to some recent links that explain how memory and > forgetting works in technical language, this morning's Washington Post had

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Isn't he the asshole? > That's what people who don't like hearing the truth call him. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.do

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Sam
Isn't he the asshole? On 2/10/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, not attacking, more like Simon on American Idol. You're welcome. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create pow

Re: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Duane wrote: > Wind alone would be too unreliable for the commercial fishing industry. I > was thinking more along the lines of those electric/diesel power plants. > I guess it's just surprising how far behind this technology is, given how much of a no brainer it is. I guess cats haven't really

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dennis wrote: > Private school teechz I know too, but public has > a special place for me. > I have a whole section of my family that are public school teachers and administrators in Milwaukee, Chicago and Dalls, and they unanimously tell me that vouchers are the way to go. Here in MN we're sta

RE: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Duane
Wind alone would be too unreliable for the commercial fishing industry. I was thinking more along the lines of those electric/diesel power plants. D -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:44 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: [SailTal

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For my part Welfare reform is a great example of how giving people > money for nothing doesn't work. It might *seem* benevolent but, if > fact, it just created *more* poverty. So there's a real world example > of good policy. And it's abou

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
but see... the topic isn't welfare ::sigh:: Sorry, but I really don't have time play. Dana On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana wrote: > > froth-at-the-mouth psychotic on this particular topic. > > Wow! I've Sammed you! Cool. > > As I've said all along, show me a successfu

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dennis wrote: > > This is done through Social Programs, my friend. > > Well they work like shit. That's why I'd propose revamping the entire > education system. Part of this would include, of course, vouchers to > allow parents to send their k

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > froth-at-the-mouth psychotic on this particular topic. Wow! I've Sammed you! Cool. As I've said all along, show me a successful government program that lowers poverty by transforming people up from low earning and I'll gladly fund it. I'll won't even whine if only those paying

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dennis wrote: > This is done through Social Programs, my friend. > Well they work like shit. That's why I'd propose revamping the entire education system. Part of this would include, of course, vouchers to allow parents to send their kids to any schools they want, public or private. > what th

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
I'm not frustrated. I've known for a long time that you are froth-at-the-mouth psychotic on this particular topic. Any tax reform translates in your mind to welfare for the unworthy. I took a stab at a rational discussion, and you can't manage it. Oh well. I am actually in here to do some work and

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > decisions. While you're focused on helping people that are already in > trouble, I'd like to prevent them from getting into that trouble in > the first place. This is done through Social Programs, my friend. Actually, both are, but anyways

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dennis wrote: > > You are an extreme conservative, Gruss. =] > > HA! Sam called me a radical liberal. He would. It /has/ got me wondering tho: Were there /really/ any conservatives in the Republican party to begin with? Maybe /that/ explains

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > you don't get it. So do you contest that in, let's say, 90% of sob stories you can't trace it back to some core bad decisions? Because I think you can. And if you can then the root cause is bad decisions. While you're focused on helping people that are already in trouble, I'd li

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dennis wrote: > You are an extreme conservative, Gruss. =] > HA! Sam called me a radical liberal. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.do

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > interested in being punitive than in actually making good policy. > We're done here. > You always get frustrated when you try to turn your philosophy into policy. So, tell me then, what's good policy? We know Welfare (giving people money for nothing) doesn't work - Clinton and a

Re: Why Linux is more secure than Windows

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What magazines are you getting? Who is reading them? > > You think they guy running a four person retail store is reading > Business 2.0? Ah, four person retail store-- depends. Is it a book store? ;) Yeah, I get your point. I don't think i

RE: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle! > > > Duane wrote: > > I wonder if any of these guys are trying to get into the commercial > fishing > > in

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
you don't get it. It's not a matter of anyone being owed anything. It's a matter of pay for Head Start now or pay for remedial college classes later. Guess which one is cheaper. As for the rest of your rant ... whatever. You're clearly more interested in being punitive than in actually making good

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
amen to that. > We're not safe. When people want to be like us, we're much > safer. And yet, I see people here talk crap about Hugo. Bah. > > We've our own "would be emperor" right here at home. =] -- No enemies had ever taken Ankh-Morpock. Well technically they had, quite often; the city we

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's what charity is for. You are an extreme conservative, Gruss. =] "Extremist!" :] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create pow

Re: Global Climate Change???

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The idea is that memory is too fallible to rely on it alone. What's needed is > independent collaboration, other people, independent facts etc. Naw, none of that stuff really works either. Blame it on retrocausality. Blame it on the retrocaus

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
> >wow, the benefits of fascism... good one there Ann. Hey, don't knock it! I think this stuff will come in handy in my quest for emperorship. Yesss, this Ann woman-- Strong in the Dark Side, she is! Handy, she will be, when the dread day dawns! People actually buy her books? Ecelent.

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Denilicious
On 2/11/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You act like the end of the world is coming. In two years, Bush will no > longer be President. Twenty years from now, people will note with some > curiosity that Bush was very liberal in his use of the signing statement. > Beyond that, NOTHING wi

RE: Why Linux is more secure than Windows

2007-02-11 Thread Nick McClure
What magazines are you getting? Who is reading them? You think they guy running a four person retail store is reading Business 2.0? > -Original Message- > From: Denilicious [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I don't think this sentiment reflects the current views-- Just about > every mag I'v

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I think it is clear that we are not going to agree. The problem with > this outlook, which you seem to admire, is that under it no woman will > ever give birth. You're making some real leaps of logic here. I'm saying that whether a woman has children is 99.9% of time her choice.

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
I think it is clear that we are not going to agree. The problem with this outlook, which you seem to admire, is that under it no woman will ever give birth. It's one hell of a leap of faith and if sometimes it's made in error, you don't see the father being held to account for it. Children are es

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > why are you so obsessed with other people's choices? Because it's my experience that people make bad choices and then whine that they don't have what other's do. Then they ask the government to pay it. Which means the people that made the good decisions in the first place. Class

Re: Global Climate Change???

2007-02-11 Thread Larry Lyons
> > I know it works. I just can't believe he's claiming we can't > people's > > guilt without a doubt because of this. > > The idea is that memory is too fallible to rely on it alone. What's needed is independent collaboration, other people, independent facts etc. So-called hypnotically enhan

Re: Global Climate Change???

2007-02-11 Thread Larry Lyons
> > I know it works. I just can't believe he's claiming we can't > people's > > guilt without a doubt because of this. > > Rather than send you to some recent links that explain how memory and forgetting works in technical language, this morning's Washington Post had a pretty good article on t

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Dana
why are you so obsessed with other people's choices? We can't have tax equity until you personally are convinced of the moral rectitude of every non-millionaire? You come from the strict father model, don't you :) Let me know what you think of that fair tax proposal On 2/11/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL

Re: The DNC embraces religion

2007-02-11 Thread Larry Lyons
Lets also not forget the ones where she advocated genocide against Islam - "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" is among the mildest of her screeds. >This would be the same Ann Coulter that told a disabled American >Vietnam Veteran that "Peop

Re: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Duane wrote: > I wonder if any of these guys are trying to get into the commercial fishing > industry. With the cost of fuel these days, I would think that would be a > helluva market to go after. > Interesting question but probably not since these systems only makes sense on sail boats as oppos

RE: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Duane
I wonder if any of these guys are trying to get into the commercial fishing industry. With the cost of fuel these days, I would think that would be a helluva market to go after. Duane -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:23 A

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > You act like the end of the world is coming. In two years, Bush will no > longer be President. Twenty years from now, people will note with some > curiosity that Bush was very liberal in his use of the signing statement. > Beyond that, NOTHING will happen. > Unless other Presiden

Re: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Duane wrote: > Toyota has a hybrid concept that's nothing to sneeze at: > > http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html > 31 MPG? Pfft. The Lagoon 420 can get 2000-4000 MPG or more. There's other people getting into this market too: Here's Solomon's: http://www.solomontechnologies.com/p

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > oops meant to post a link for fair tax > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_tax > A consumption tax makes total sense to me! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful

Re: this should be fun

2007-02-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I question that number, but lest's assume you are right. They are > still the only people currently getting richer in this country. > Maybe that's because they're the only people making the right choices? What's the savings rate in this country again? 0.01% Yet Japan has a 20% sa

Re: Bush, Iraq, and Democracy?

2007-02-11 Thread Robert Munn
You act like the end of the world is coming. In two years, Bush will no longer be President. Twenty years from now, people will note with some curiosity that Bush was very liberal in his use of the signing statement. Beyond that, NOTHING will happen. On 2/10/07, Denilicious wrote: > > On 2/10/0

RE: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle!

2007-02-11 Thread Duane
Toyota has a hybrid concept that's nothing to sneeze at: http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html D -Original Message- From: Denilicious [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:09 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: [SailTalk] Your ULTIMATE Green Vehicle! That