Re: Yay Vista!

2007-08-07 Thread Dinner
On 8/6/07, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That odd feeling of wanting to reach past the words on the page and > just throttle the guy, but then somewhere along the line he makes > sense and totally frustrates you. Well so long as it makes sense somewhere along the line... =D Probably a g

Re: Wow. Cramer Totally Loses It

2007-08-07 Thread William Bowen
but no f-bombs? wow... > http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSWksEJQEYVU -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion

Wow. Cramer Totally Loses It

2007-08-07 Thread Gruss Gott
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RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:52 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: CF8 Sticker Shock > > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is > available > only in Enterprise edition. > > That sucks big time.

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 8/7/07, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is available > only in Enterprise edition. > > That sucks big time. That was the biggest selling point for me to upgrade > to CF8. Now that I found out you can not do server monitoring in t

Re: Are you an expert programmer?

2007-08-07 Thread Rick Root
On 8/7/07, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *polishes shiney 'expert programmer' badge* Did they hand those out at the convention? I musta missed mine. ;) I'll I've got is a bluedragon t-shirt. Rick ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Rick Root
On 8/7/07, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is available > only in Enterprise edition. Have you looked into FusionReactor or SeeFusion? Adobe is telling people to NOT run the monitoring stuff on production servers because of the overhe

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jacob
+10 -Original Message- From: Matthew Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock Monitoring Tools.. - Original Message - From: "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" S

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jacob
The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is available only in Enterprise edition. That sucks big time. That was the biggest selling point for me to upgrade to CF8. Now that I found out you can not do server monitoring in the standard version, I am in no rush to install Cf8 --

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ben Doom
I've driven a hybrid webserver before. The gas mileage increase is not as much as they advertise. --BenD Oğuz Demirkapı wrote: >> the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an >> investment than a true cost. >> > > Hybrid? :) > > > ~~

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of >CF8, and then I looked at the price. You may want to look at Blue Dragon 7. It has many of the same features, and is far less expensive. Vince Bonfanti's blog has a discussion of the price and features of both. http:/

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Oğuz Demirkapı
> the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an > investment than a true cost. > Hybrid? :) ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://down

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
On 8/7/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're implying that the other choices are not reliable. Are they not and > what evidence do you have to prove it? I didn't mean to imply that (but yeah, i can see where it came across as such). clarified in a previous response. > Besides the

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
ok i should clarify that i wasn't suggesting that either ASP.NET -or- PHP were the code equivalent of yugos :) the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an investment than a true cost. To address the server monitoring tools... http://www.seefusion.com/ http://www.fusion-r

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Chesty Puller
You're implying that the other choices are not reliable. Are they not and what evidence do you have to prove it? Besides the "faster development" argument, what other factors come into this decision? I know the "out of the box" features are another argument, but 1) what are they and 2) which on

Newt On NPR Today

2007-08-07 Thread Gruss Gott
Well, I heard another Newt speech and there's a lot I disagree with him on but, when I do, I at least understand his reasoning on how he's reached his position. I can say that I might vote for this guy even despite my disagreements. His stance on "the war on terror" is very well reasoned and, whi

Re: Here Comes The History

2007-08-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > Mainly because your response is so ignorant Granted you may disagree with Sam, but we have to cut out the personal attacks; at least on the open forum. It degrades the debate and seems to make people generally cranky. ~

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Matthew Blatchley wrote: > Monitoring Tools.. Standard already has free, albeit third party, monitoring tools ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 b

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Duane
IMHO, ASP.Net isn't exactly a yugo tho. I haven't written more than a few lines of PHP code so I can't comment on it. Duane -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:51 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock this has

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Matthew Blatchley wrote: > Anyone else finding that they can't compete in such a competitive > development market with a price tag like that or is it just us? Nope, I work in a state agency that needs and uses Oracle and ERSI enterprise applications that run in the tens and hundreds of thousands

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Matthew Blatchley
Monitoring Tools.. - Original Message - From: "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock > Why were you looking at enterprise instead of standard? > > --Ben Doom > > Matthew Blatchley wrote: >> I started to ta

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ben Doom
Why were you looking at enterprise instead of standard? --Ben Doom Matthew Blatchley wrote: > I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of > CF8, and then I looked at the price. > > We've got CF, PHP, and .NET developers here and now I've been trumped > becaus

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
this has been done to death over on cf-talk (and various blogs)... but let's say your manager wanted a car. a RELIABLE car. a car that would deliver the peace of mind of knowing that each morning it'd start and get him to where he needs to go. would he balk at the price of a lexus and opt for a

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Why do you need Enterprise version, and not the Standard? What features do you need that only Enterprise gives you? On 8/7/07, Matthew Blatchley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of > CF8, and then I looked at the price. > > W

CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Matthew Blatchley
I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of CF8, and then I looked at the price. We've got CF, PHP, and .NET developers here and now I've been trumped because of the price of CF8they'll never go for a application server that costs almost 8k. Anyone else f

Re: Here Comes The History

2007-08-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Hmm where are you when Larry says stuff like "too many >> to claim "isolated incidents""? Holding your fingers in your >> ears and going la la la la la la la la LA LA LA LA? > >We go through this every couple of months and I respond and then >crickets. Here we go again: Mainly because y

Re: IF you had to write a spider program...

2007-08-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
Ditto. and besides, I actually prefer snakes to pearls ... but I always like diamonds. :) On 8/6/07, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fair enough. That's what I said to begin with -- I'd probably do it in > Perl, myself, because I've written a scraper in Perl before. > > --BenD > > Loathe

Re: Are you an expert programmer?

2007-08-07 Thread Todd
Why, yes. Yes I am. *polishes shiney 'expert programmer' badge* ;) - Original Message - From: "Rick Root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Are you an expert programmer? > Really enjoyed this article a friend sent me > > "A

Re: Dell Vostro series notebooks?

2007-08-07 Thread William Bowen
Toying with the idea of opting for a tablet PC myself. One benefit of our IT organization, we get to test stuff that the execs find nifty. Do you do development on the tablet? If so, how is it for that? On 8/6/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cool! I just got an HP laptop myself. I d

Are you an expert programmer?

2007-08-07 Thread Rick Root
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RE: early christmas gift shopping anyone?

2007-08-07 Thread Scott Stewart
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Re: for mac ppl: Parallels vs VMWare

2007-08-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On 8/6/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > vmware does have "some" support for active x > > Play DirectX 8.1 games on your Mac Not enough to run Vista Aero tho'... However, VMware Fusion is way faster than Parallels... I'm impressed... WEI of 4.9 on CPU and 1.9 on graphics (compared to Parall