mostly? How do you figure that? I get 2423 soldiers for central and
eastern europe, and I spotted you moldava at that, because I couldn't
be bothered to look it up and find out where it is. It sounds like it
might be in the balkans. You can add 1650 to that if you want to count
the ukraine but the
That's a hell of a run. Totaly absurd, unsafe and criminal, but a hell of a
run.
My family helps put on the Oregon Trail Rally (
http://www.oregontrailrally.com/) every year. I've been stage captain,
emergency communications, medical support, all sorts of things. Its a
different style rally but a
You ought to actually talk to people from that part of the world about
the collapse of communism and their release from Soviet tyranny. Sure
they want to be friends with the big kids on the block, but in this
case it is because the big kid is protecting them from the
neighborhood thugs, not because
I blame Rumsfeld and Paul Bremer, aka Tweedledee and Tweedledum, for
the complete lack of a coherent strategy after the initial fighting
was over.
On Nov 18, 2007 9:38 PM, Zaphod wrote:
> yeah, but our problems first started when the fighting stopped. We
> pulled off a pretty much flawless takedo
> RoMunn wrote:
> The Left in this country is totally invested in failure in Iraq. I am
> going to laugh my ass off when things go well for the next year
Then you are deluding yourself. The person that won the lottery is
laughing at you for not playing; does his winning mean it's a good
idea to p
you could view it that way.or maybe they could be trying to gain
favor of the U.S. Isn't it always best to be the buddy of the biggest
guy on the block?
I see it more as a political move, but then again I'm jaded by our own
politics here.
On 11/18/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
yeah, but our problems first started when the fighting stopped. We
pulled off a pretty much flawless takedown of the saddam government.
We just didn't do our homework and figure out what to do next. I
would think most books on warfare would have a chapter or two on that.
On 11/18/07, Robert Mu
On Nov 18, 2007 8:52 PM, Dana wrote:
> Aren't you the one who was whining about all those people at the
> UN who wanted the United States to do stuff? Like wait for the
> inspectors to finish?
I am merely correcting the patently false statements flying around
here. The US was not alone or even c
As every book on warfare will tell you, all plans go out the window
once the actual fighting starts.
On Nov 18, 2007 8:54 PM, Zaphod wrote:
> I think I heard that same phrase in, oh, about 2003 when it was
> attached to "When we find the wmd"
>
> Seriously though, there didn't seem to be a go
Funny how the coalition was mostly made up of poor Central and Eastern
European countries who the US freed from decades of Soviet tyrrany. I
can't imagine why they would contribute troops. Maybe they actually
appreciate what the US did for them. How could it be? Could there
actually be someone in t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq
On Nov 18, 2007 10:03 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Effectively the U.S. went in with major support from G.B, but it was a
> coalition in name only. Lot's of other countries sent token forces.
> I'll always be glad that
Effectively the U.S. went in with major support from G.B, but it was a
coalition in name only. Lot's of other countries sent token forces.
I'll always be glad that we were able to count on Iceland's 2 troops.
Heck just look at afganistans troop deployment. There you'll see a
true multi-national f
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more ad hominems. How about you address these:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/politics/animal/main3514622.shtml
http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10168589.html
Try to do it with the facts.
Dana
On Nov 18, 2007 9:48 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Left
I think I heard that same phrase in, oh, about 2003 when it was
attached to "When we find the wmd"
Seriously though, there didn't seem to be a good strategy going in, is
there any strategy for the future? Other than this troop surge, I
don't feel that anything has been planned.
On 11/18/07,
Aren't you the one who was whining about all those people at the
UN who wanted the United States to do stuff? Like wait for the
inspectors to finish?
I almost didn't send that post because I knew it would turn into a
personal attack, and you sure did not disappoint.
I don't blame America for eve
The Left in this country is totally invested in failure in Iraq. I am
going to laugh my ass off when things go well for the next year and
the Democrats lose Congress and the Presidency because they bet on US
failure.
On Nov 18, 2007 8:41 PM, Zaphod wrote:
> Do you seriously think that whenever we
I know you are firmly in the camp of the "let's blame America for
everything that has ever gone wrong in the world" crowd, but that is
totally uncalled for. Not only have we not gassed any Kurds "lately",
we have been, for the last sixty years, the single hope for oppressed
people all over the worl
Do you seriously think that whenever we do leave Iraq (whenever that
may be, even years out) that the insurgents won't step right back in
and take up their old positions? Are there any examples of terrorism
being stamped out? I think it's a rose-colored view that temporary
diminishing body counts
ten years later?? It didn't pass the giggle test then and still doesn't.
On Nov 18, 2007 9:08 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > See, I really don't like to defend the man -- he seems to have been a
> > first-class asshole -- but I am not sure that justifies what has
> > happene
> Why? That's where we disagree. There was no reason for the US to
> invade Iraq and it's stirred up a hornet's nest as well as weakened
> our armed forces and our bank account for little or no gain (I would
> argue it's dug a very deep hole).
Do you even read what I write? I've explained my pe
> See, I really don't like to defend the man -- he seems to have been a
> first-class asshole -- but I am not sure that justifies what has
> happened in Iraq. Some countries take the notion of sovereignty
> seriously. Maybe he did not feel the US had any right to tell him what
> to do. There is so
> cHat wrote:
> Thanks for the compliment but I don't appreciate being misdiagnosed.
>
My comments weren't directed at you, but based on your text below I
would have to include you.
> I have stood by the President's decision to invade Iraq (albeit over a
> decade too late) because it was the acti
> Jochem wrote:
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See, I really don't like to defend the man -- he seems to have been a
first-class asshole -- but I am not sure that justifies what has
happened in Iraq. Some countries take the notion of sovereignty
seriously. Maybe he did not feel the US had any right to tell him what
to do. There is some support
> Yeah. That's the sad part of hearing the holier-than-thou
> justifications for the largest foreign policy fuck up in American
> history.
>
> The people still clinging to the belief that invading Iraq wasn't a
> fuck up are suffering from cognitive dissonance. In short, they are
> likely good mo
Yes, Dana.
Also, I didn't mean to imply that the inspectors were there on behalf of the
US soley. The US was just as behind it though.
"Let the inspectors have free reign to run around your country, or we are
going to come in there and start kicking some ass."
Which is why I singled the US ou
had the same experience in Detroit. Twice. First time on the freeway,
second time on a major avenue. They tell me it's an ongoing thing
there.
On Nov 18, 2007 7:25 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Welcome to the brave new world.
>
> Yeah, 'Couver's a great Canadian burb, eh?
> Welcome to the brave new world.
Yeah, 'Couver's a great Canadian burb, eh?
Last time I was there the curb took a bite out of my tire and left me
stranded. Decided if the streets hated me that much I'd hate to see
what the meter maids would do to me!
~~
> cHat wrote:
> He was a murderous thug before he was a US ally.
>
Yeah. That's the sad part of hearing the holier-than-thou
justifications for the largest foreign policy fuck up in American
history.
The people still clinging to the belief that invading Iraq wasn't a
fuck up are suffering from c
> BTW, do you think he was a murderous thug when he was a US ally or
> was it our WMD gift that made him a murderous thug?
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> RoMunn wrote:
> Are you serious? The inspectors were there at the behest of the UN,
> not the United States. The guy was a murderous thug who invaded
> Kuwait, started a war with Iran, gassed the Kurds in the north,
> butchered the Shiites in the south, and flouted multiple UN
> resolutions for
UM. Vancouver is in Canada ;)
On Nov 18, 2007 6:04 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome to the brave new world.
>
> Part of why I hate that we (the US) are setting such a poor example.
>
> World leader? God, I hope not. Heh.
>
> Seriously, I wish volk understood the kind of messages w
Welcome to the brave new world.
Part of why I hate that we (the US) are setting such a poor example.
World leader? God, I hope not. Heh.
Seriously, I wish volk understood the kind of messages we're sending
-or perhaps have sent.
"Live in fear, good citizen, it's Best, and makes you Safe"
-or
1) Abu Ghraib -- I agree. However that is even easier for me to say.
2) Glad to hear it's not frequent. It still sounds like a really tough
call. You have to survive but...
3) I agree, but again, easy for me to say.
Dana
On Nov 18, 2007 5:53 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well aga
Well again I have to go back to the fact that these soldiers did not have to
go to the extremes that they did. I don't see how putting naked prisoners in
a pyramid stack or putting a hood over their head and tying electrical leads
to them is the right way to keep them awake. If they were told to do
No. I had not heard about this. It seems very sad. As far as I can
tell he could not find his way out of customs?
A couple of things are very troubling. Vancouver is a big city. Surely
there are multilingual, international signs? Interpreters?
Most importantly though -- I can see why they might c
"I don't know if you tuners heard about the Taser death of Robert
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Breakdown of immigration Se
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Coolness. And... coolness. We'll bump into each other in meat-space one
of these days... with my best bud and former boss over on main campus
now, I'll probably be over there more often.
Where did you end up? Extended U or Media Tech? You can hit me up
on the side if you don't wanna say here.
um. The US hasn't gassed any Kurds lately but it's currently starting
a war with Iran and has been flouting multiple UN resolutions for
almost a decadeoh and gee, it didn't invade Kuwait, but it did
invade Iraq.
I could be wrong, but I think that might be what he is saying.
But wait, wait, do
Are you serious? The inspectors were there at the behest of the UN,
not the United States. The guy was a murderous thug who invaded
Kuwait, started a war with Iran, gassed the Kurds in the north,
butchered the Shiites in the south, and flouted multiple UN
resolutions for a decade. Get your facts s
yep. But I wasn't saying otherwise, see. I know you weren't out to say
so; your thoughts just kinda flow a bit fast for mere mortals to keep
up. I think you're the only person I know who sees more sides of an
issue than I do. We really should catch up with one another some time
;)
Dana
On 11/18/0
On Nov 18, 2007 12:43 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is wrong with the oath?
Wasn't trying to put words in Dana's mouth.
I was reflecting on the basic "do I serve my commander, or my
country" bit- protecting the constitution, etc..
I find it pretty sad that we've succumbed
glad to hear you agree. But I seem to remember reading that some of
those soldiers said they were ordered to "keep the prisoners awake"
and "soften them up" and the like. (Quotes from memory and could be a
bit wrong). So where are the guys who gave the orders, is my question.
I blame them more than
huh. If you want a real answer to that, I believe that what would be
*best* would be good public schools. But I also believe that this is
impossible in the current framework. Too many rewards for mediocrity,
too high a price for original thought. You might be able to get
someplace with a homeschool
On Nov 18, 2007 12:10 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Go Galt ;) you don't feed your child's body toxic waste and tell him
> it's good for him do you?
>
> my .02
Honestly, I don't know. It's so hard to separate the good from the
bad- the wheat from the chaff- If it's even possible (I like
You are absolutely right. The "soldiers" who committed the crimes that they
committed at Abu Ghraib forsake their oath to satisfy their own perverted
pleasures. They are no less a criminal than those imprisoned. Taking an oath
does not mean you are going to suddenly give up what is moral and right,
nothing. He's putting words in my mouth. read on ;)
Dana
On 11/18/07, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is wrong with the oath?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:17 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Three Ch
Well.
Did you ever read Eichmann in Jerusalem? He apparently never did
understand what he did wrong. I think the phrase "the banality of
evil" has a lot to say to us today. It's just that nobody is
listening. They're all preparing their next sound byte.
Still, I fault the kids who were ordered to
What is wrong with the oath?
-Original Message-
From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:17 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Three Cheers for Canada
Like the oath? ;-)
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I dunno, I guess contracts are contracts, or whatever.
Personally, I'd rather have someone who wanted to be on my team,
than someone who was forced to be on my team against their will.
No service, no glory. Give whatever you got back, and call it even.
Of course I'm romantic about the idea of S
it's worse than that. They are saying what way, we don't need no
stinking way
On 11/18/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2007 7:39 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > So let's make this analogy - if someone walks into any office
> > building/ airpo
Go Galt ;) you don't feed your child's body toxic waste and tell him
it's good for him do you?
my .02
Dana
On 11/18/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2007 10:14 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > you, honest. But I think you are wrong if you believe that the sys
On Nov 16, 2007 7:39 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So let's make this analogy - if someone walks into any office
> building/ airport/ mall/ school (or whatever trigger point you want to
> use) and SAYS they have a bomb and are going to set it off if their
> demands are
On Nov 14, 2007 10:14 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you, honest. But I think you are wrong if you believe that the system is
> so
> flawed that NO ONE can succeed therebecause that's just not true.
The majority of my stint in the public school system, sucked nuts.
The thing
you are welcome. I do not have time at the moment to read what Jim
said, but it looks as though he has taken some time to answer this
question. I'll try to get to it later but first I need to go write
some stuff that I have been putting off for a while. If more questions
arise I will try to answer
look, Nazi soldiers were told that the fact that they were under
orders was not good enough, correct? So there is a line there where
the fact that you have sworn an oath ceases to be the over-riding
concern. I think what happened at Abu Ghraib was on the other side of
it, myself. But I've never bee
On Nov 17, 2007 10:20 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that people might not have signed up for... Abu Ghraib, say. But if
> you sign up to be a soldier, you need to have a really good reason for
> not serving
Like the oath? ;-)
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> Bruce wrote:
> Thanks Gruss, I just ordered it. I'll let you know what I think after I read
> it.
>
BTW - if you want to come at this from a religious perspective I think
an excellent book to read is Elaine Pagels' Beyond Belief.
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> Jim Davis wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_man
>
An *excellent* book on human evolution is this coffee table type book:
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It's got beautiful pictures fossils and describes what, how, and why
we know what we know about human and primate evolution. And
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>
>OK, so Darwin claims that organisms just evolve into better organisms, that
>the less desirable traits of an organism die off and the more desirable
>traits survive and evolve into other organisms, leading to the creation of
>actual species, and that these species evolve into hig
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