Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Loathe
Anyone see where the Times outed an interrogator it admits didn't harm anyone, or do anything wrong. sam morris wrote: > Look into my eye's > > > you are getting sleepy > > > > I think you mean 80% think the country sucks thanks to AP and BS articles > like this. > > http://www.usn

Re: Hide...

2008-06-23 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Those are gonna come in handy when we have to fight the zombie hordes. On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Adam Churvis wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? > command=viewArticleBasic > icleId=9101738&so

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> cHat wrote: > An advertiser doesn't give a wit about sources, they care about > eyeballs I get the point, I just don't agree with it. Ask tBone or The Sarge where they get their Iraq news - it ain't from the AP! ~| Adobe® Col

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > last week when it was announced that he won the Mark Twain award I was > hoping he'd be up on stage at the Kennedy Center and doing the 7 words you > can't say on TV. Not to be. At least I had the opportunity to see him live

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
Here is an interesting take from Tufts Magazine on the state and future of journalism: http://www.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/spring2008/features/press1.html On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:58 PM, sam wrote: > I think you mean 80% think the country sucks thanks to AP and BS articles > like this. > > >

Re: FW: Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights

2008-06-23 Thread Larry Lyons
Both I suspect. I suspect that given the strong genetic evidence that what will be eventually determined that the significant point is that its biologically based rather than a "choice". In other words the right wing or fundie response is flat out wrong. As such discriminating against gays and l

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Tell that to an advertiser. There are 1000s. And no, I'm not judging > media by "influence" I'm judging them the way advertisers do: number > of people reached. An advertiser doesn't give a wit about sources, they care about eyeballs; yes, there are thousands of distribution points but if you

Re: Obama couldn't pass a polygraph

2008-06-23 Thread Loathe
It goes on and on about how both candidates have completely sold themselves to their party's platforms, and to business and foreign interests, and yet somehow most people with choose one or the other as the best person to rule the free world. Man I hate the voters sometimes. Neither of these m

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Carlin is no more... :-( > > last week when it was announced that he won the Mark Twain award I was > hoping he'd be up on stage at the Kennedy Center

Re: NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread Erika L. Walker
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Re: FW: Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
So they're basically saying it's not genetic but due to pre-natal environmental factors. The genetic vs. environment debate continues. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Larry Lyons
Whenever Alexis watches a Thomas video again, I'm going to have an entirely different reaction to it. I can just seem him go Hey kids, ever notice... or the Hippy Dippy Weatherman routine as the conductor. >When the little ones were younger, Carlin was the conductor on the Thomas >the Tank Engi

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Larry Lyons
last week when it was announced that he won the Mark Twain award I was hoping he'd be up on stage at the Kennedy Center and doing the 7 words you can't say on TV. Not to be. At least I had the opportunity to see him live. >Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits > >Here's to y

FW: Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights

2008-06-23 Thread Larry Lyons
>From today's Washington Post: http://antiwrap.com/x486038d8a5576 Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights By Rob Stein Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, June 23, 2008; A12 Is there such a thing as a "gay brain"? And, if so, are some people born with brains that make them more l

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread sam morris
Look into my eye's you are getting sleepy I think you mean 80% think the country sucks thanks to AP and BS articles like this. http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/6/23/media-to-america-disaster-seen-as-catastrophe-looms.html# [http://tinyurl.com/6rmhu6] >> Dino wro

Re: It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
that certainly is what he is hoping for... On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Michael D wrote: > But he's got people fired up about the political process and he has hope > for > change. Isn't that enough? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I'm not saying he doesn't suck, I'm saying that there are fewer sources of news than you think. It has nothing to do with advertisers or people being reached. It has to do with sources. And again, in America it only looks like there are thousands of media sources. Maybe on the very local level but

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The argument present by Cam, from what I can tell, is that Bush really > doesn't suck; it's just that 80% of Americans think he does because > they're hyp-no-tized by "the mainstream media". > > I'm pointing out that that's fa

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > If you dig down you'll find that there really aren't that many media > sources. Tell that to an advertiser. There are 1000s. And no, I'm not judging media by "influence" I'm judging them the way advertisers do: number of people reached. The argument present by Cam, from what I c

Re: It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
But he's got people fired up about the political process and he has hope for change. Isn't that enough? On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > McCain is not a guy to play Clinton-style dirtbag politics. He will attack > Obama on the issues from now until Electio

Re: It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
McCain is not a guy to play Clinton-style dirtbag politics. He will attack Obama on the issues from now until Election Day. For his part, Obama realizes that he is going to get chewed up and spit out in a straight fight with McCain over the issues, hence his refusal to agree to a series of town ha

Re: NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread William Bowen
> Katz, Bens, or Carnegie? (If you only had to pick one). Not a New Yorker, but Carnegie (on 7th uptown of Times Square) was pretty damned good last I was there (last year). Ben's is definitely more of a restaurant. > FYI.. I will be in Times Square. Which hotel? -- will "If my life weren't f

RE: CSS/Trademark and Copyright Symbols

2008-06-23 Thread Duane
Please ignore. As usual the minute I hit the send button I figured it out. Thanks anyway. Duane -Original Message- From: Duane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:28 PM To: CF-Community Subject: CSS/Trademark and Copyright Symbols I'm working on a site that uses the

Re: CSS/Trademark and Copyright Symbols

2008-06-23 Thread Tony
/cues sandy... -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm working on a site that uses the TM and Copyright symbols frequently. I > need to come up with a CSS class that

CSS/Trademark and Copyright Symbols

2008-06-23 Thread Duane
I'm working on a site that uses the TM and Copyright symbols frequently. I need to come up with a CSS class that will allow me to have the symbol display slightly raised in a small font and not affect the line height for the content its contained within. For some reason my feeble mind can't seem to

RE: NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread Scott Stewart
You're right, it was the Bowery, Castle Heights is in Queens.. Getting venues I've played in confused. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, J

Re: NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread sam morris
I like Katz but it's downtown, near CBGBs, which wasn't in Queens. The others are near Times Square. Ben's is a Restaurant more than a deli but it's good. I never tried Carnegie. >I am going to be in NY next week for a few days. For you New Yorkers, which >deli... > >Katz, Bens, or Carnegie? (

RE: NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread Scott Stewart
Only one I know about is the Manhattan Deli in Queens, a couple of blocks from where CBGB's used to be. Great Pizza -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo

NY deli question

2008-06-23 Thread Jacob
I am going to be in NY next week for a few days. For you New Yorkers, which deli... Katz, Bens, or Carnegie? (If you only had to pick one). FYI.. I will be in Times Square. TIA Jacob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

Re: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wardriving is a very popular hobby amongst people who like gadgets and > have a lot of time on their hands... I hear that some people named Cameron have done that too. -Cameron ~~~

Re: "The Onion" Movie...

2008-06-23 Thread Jim Davis
>Had no idea there was an Onion movie coming out. > >"Our Dumb Century" is the one of the funniest books ever written. Absolutely. And both "The Onion Radio News" and the "The Onion" produced online videos are staggeringly funny... but the movie was utter crap. I guess you can't win them all...

Thought this article interesting: America Has Spoken: In Google We Trust

2008-06-23 Thread Jerry Johnson
Both the top five and the bottom 5 are really telling. America Has Spoken: In Google We Trust Harris Poll Has Search Giant No. 1 in Reputation; J&J, General Mills and Berkshire Hathaway Make Top 10 *By* Michael Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Published:* June 23, 2008 NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- The most

Re: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread Jim Davis
>Security is only as good as it's weakest link. > >I am sure you don't think someone will be driving around your >neighborhood with a laptop sniffing traffic off your/my networks. I >think they are. I know they are. I live a mile away from the University of Scranton... there's always some kid t

Re: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread Jim Davis
>What's wrong with WEP? I have just assumed that a WEP key is like a theft >deterrent device on a car. It's not foolproof, but it's adequate for the >types of risks most people are likely to encounter. (namely your neighbor >leeching off your high speed internet) WEP is just plain weak. An averag

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (3.) Influence of media bias on opinions. > Best way to see this is talk to any Rush listener. Despite the fact > that he's not a news source, millions of Americans form their opinions > based on what he says. Therefore bia

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
What a truly Amero-centric way of looking at it. Who is the media in England? There is really only one. Who is the media in France? There is really only one. Who is the media around the world? Well, the one from England and France seem to be everywhere. If you dig down you'll find that there really

Re: It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
Yeah I found that disappointing too. Obama is young and, relatively speaking, inexperienced. Those things I can see the republican party using against him. I cannot however - under any circumstances - see his race being used against him in the campaign. There is really no other reason to bring

Obama couldn't pass a polygraph

2008-06-23 Thread sam morris
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/sbdrilling_06-20.html Mark Shields: It was a flip-flop of epic proportions. It was one that he could not rationalize or justify. His video was unconvincing. He looked like someone who was being kept as a hostage somewhere he was so absolutely u

RE: It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread Scott Stewart
Context? -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: sam morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:39 PM To: CF-Community Subject: It's about race now "We know what kind of cam

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Adam Churvis
When the little ones were younger, Carlin was the conductor on the Thomas the Tank Engine show. I kept waiting for him to break out of the "Hey kids!" stuff and start spewing his normal bit, but it never happened. I loved the man. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhan

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> cHat wrote: > Last I knew every major city in the US carries the networks listed > above. There's 3 issues here: (1.) Defining the "mainstream media" 20 years ago it was probably defined as you say and the term meant those sources that the majority of people got their news and information. My

It's about race now

2008-06-23 Thread sam morris
"We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?" -BHO Jr Lt. Col Allen West: My advice to Senator Obama is to run as

Monday Funny

2008-06-23 Thread Ian Skinner
Never saw a Friday Funny come through so here is one. http://www.tatuagemdaboa.com.br/ If you are not able to translate the language, the basic idea seems to be to pick a name of somebody who would like an attractive female, and a second name of somebody who would be a bit put off by an less at

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Rick
I have been watching Carlin Vids all morning... His comedy was such a large part of my life. I used to sneak Class Clown from my dad's record collection when I was very young. The first standup comedian I ever heard and the still the funniest ever. I got see him once at the Midland Theater in Kansa

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Tony
he, if noone else made ME feel great about the word FUCK -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:31 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Warning...a few of the 7 dirty words follow: > > "Wanna piss off a fe

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
Warning...a few of the 7 dirty words follow: "Wanna piss off a feminist...call her a 'cum catcher', that'll get her attention" "Have you ever noticed that other people's stuff is shit, and your shit, is stuff?" "There's only two states an oven can possibly exist in: heated or unheated. Pre-heate

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Erika L. Walker
This news truly sucks. I saw him in Morristown, NJ years ago, and it was a great great show. He's one of my favorites of all time. :( ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the

Re: The 100 Worst Cities for Traffic

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
Yeah - there are places in Atlanta that really stink for traffic. I'm even considering shortening my already short intown commute by getting office space even closer to my place. They've totally removed 14th across the 75/85 connector to rebuild the approaches from the new 17th street bridge. Wi

Re: The 100 Worst Cities for Traffic

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
Yeah - I thought the hotspots were a little smaller then they should be. But those few miles around Birmingham are bad even on the weekends. The lack of alternate North-South routes due to a giant ocean being in the way is the biggest problem in SD. -Cameron On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Rob

Re: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
Security is only as good as it's weakest link. I am sure you don't think someone will be driving around your neighborhood with a laptop sniffing traffic off your/my networks. I think they are. But I'm paranoid. WEP is practically useless as a security mechanism, but it's still good at preventin

Re: More Bad Global Warming News

2008-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Andrew Grosset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree, ice ages occur like clockwork and we are overdue for one now That's what she said... (your girlfriend) -Cameron PS: Joking ~| Adobe®

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
>> ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP & Reuters are who I call the "Mainstream Media" >> in TV, print and spoken forms. > > Ok, and on a 24-hour week day basis what is the consumership of those > news sources vs all other media? Last I knew every major city in the US carries the networks listed above. Additi

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
He had definitely slipped as of late...but it doesn't diminish his genius when he was in his prime. The lists, the timing, the facial expressions, the delivery, the self-abasementthe willingness to say anything: "Don't act disgusted...don't act disgusted..remember, half of you are gon

RE: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread Billy Cox
What's wrong with WEP? I have just assumed that a WEP key is like a theft deterrent device on a car. It's not foolproof, but it's adequate for the types of risks most people are likely to encounter. (namely your neighbor leeching off your high speed internet) "Turns out the DS can only connect t

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Jerry Johnson
For me, he lost all humor in the last 10 years or so. Much like Dennis Miller and Robin Williams. Angry comedians who put their causes/politics above the humor (and both suffer) But there are still classics rambling around my head. I loved "Stuff", too. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Jacob <[

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
Still pains me when I get a forward of really lame one liners that are attributed to George Carlin. Only someone who had never actually LISTENED to George could believe he'd write some of that crap.like that particularly atrocious "Bad American" piece. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Jacob <

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Jacob
Yes... the airline announcements were the best. Too bad they stopped after 9/11. -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:15 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Carlin is no more... :-( I loved that one...he had so many awesome diatribes, but

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
I loved that one...he had so many awesome diatribes, but my favorite still has to be his airline announcements. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fuck. > > he'd appreciate that. > > i gotta say my fav. skit was his STUFF skit > > -- tony > > Better than a thousand

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> How can you be so wrong time and time again? History takes a broader view. > Oh, and there's always positive history from even from failures: Actually we could probably do a rough SWAG of an unbiased analysis: (1.) Hopefully we'll agree that Bush will be remembered

Hide...

2008-06-23 Thread Adam Churvis
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic &articleId=9101738&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1 Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enha

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Tony
fuck. he'd appreciate that. i gotta say my fav. skit was his STUFF skit -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah... this does pretty well suck.. > > -- > S

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Scott Stewart
Yeah... this does pretty well suck.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Duane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Carlin is no more...

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Duane
Oh fnck! RIP George. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:18 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits > > Here's to ya' George and those like ya', damn few left. > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/06/23/carlin.obit/index.html > > -- > will >

RE: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:18 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Carlin is no more... :-( > > Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits > > Here's to ya' George and those like ya', damn few left. > >

Re: Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
Just the worst possible news for a Monday morning...Goodnight, Funny Man. *sigh* There will NEVER..be another George Carlin. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:18 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits > > Here's to ya' George an

Re: Nintendo is Retarded

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
Nintendo doesn't do the internet thing very well.and in my opinion, should have just stayed off of there altogether. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My son is getting older, wants to connect his DS to our WiFi so he can > trade > Pokeman with friends in

Re: "The Onion" Movie...

2008-06-23 Thread G Money
Had no idea there was an Onion movie coming out. "Our Dumb Century" is the one of the funniest books ever written. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is not good. Not good at all. > > In fact it's VERY not good. > > It starts with stills of some of the

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > How can you be so wrong time and time again? History takes a broader view. > Ah, so Napoleon's failed democratic imperialism is now viewed as successful and he's a hero? That's not what I learned ... But don't worry - with of all the biased history sources there'll always be so

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> cHat wrote: > ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP & Reuters are who I call the "Mainstream Media" > in TV, print and spoken forms. > Ok, and on a 24-hour week day basis what is the consumership of those news sources vs all other media? > The "S-CHIP" Bill - > Bush had to veto it, not because of the fact tha

Re: History will say that we misunderestimated George W Bush

2008-06-23 Thread Maureen
Maureen's corollary to Godwin's Law: Any political discussion will eventually be derailed by discussion of Clinton and sex On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clinton: Define sex ~| Ado

Carlin is no more... :-(

2008-06-23 Thread William Bowen
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits Here's to ya' George and those like ya', damn few left. http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/06/23/carlin.obit/index.html -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~