Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Naw, that's google earth. which is, by intent, a mix of maps with user contributed data. That is exactly what google was shooting for (although, I understand that one took a lot of google higher-ups brain power to figure out if it fell within terms of service) And, the crowdsourcing of google maps

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
They have been adding countries over the last couple of years. Australia was only in mid 2006. South Africa was Winter 2006. Russia, Turkey, Taiwan, Thailand, Croatia, Solvenia, Lithuania, Estonia were mid 2007 Phillipines was fall 2007 And to answer your next question (below) about wh

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And a couple of links talking about the crowdsourcing that produced the > Indian detail maps. > > http://philbridges.com/filechute/michael_jones_cc2007.mp3 (starts at about > 75% in) > > http://www.dankarran.com/blog/archi

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
And a couple of links talking about the crowdsourcing that produced the Indian detail maps. http://philbridges.com/filechute/michael_jones_cc2007.mp3 (starts at about 75% in) http://www.dankarran.com/blog/archives/2007/07/24/googles_approach_to_crowdsourcing_map_data.php The list of "supported c

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
>From whom? And if you say Yahoo I'm going to laugh my ass off. So is the information from Georgia and Israel (and Cyprus, etc.) too much money or trouble to Google? On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is why they have the SATELLITE images of all of t

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Here is one of the projects that have already produced: http://www.google.com/mapmaker&hl=en And one of the engineer's blog post: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2008/06/making-your-mark-on-world.html On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...As for

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
That is why they have the SATELLITE images of all of these places. They own the producer. But they don't own the road overlay and gis data. They rent it. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Google bought up a company (satellites and all) that produces

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Most high tech companies in the world have a R&D or production location in Israel. In Google's case, they just want to make sure no one can find them in Israel on the map. :) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Found this interesting... > > Google has offic

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Google bought up a company (satellites and all) that produces the maps a few years back. They're not at the mercy of anyone. As for the Google maps mini-revolt, I'm going to look it up. Personally, I love that "non-American and non-European countries" mention. If you can't beat *ism, join it. On

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Found this interesting... Google has offices in Tel Aviv and Haifa. http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=intl.html&jobslg=iw On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It doesn't matter if Yahoo has it. Google and Yahoo don't always use the > sa

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
It doesn't matter if Yahoo has it. Google and Yahoo don't always use the same map data services. And they don't necessarily have the same service level agreements. Neither produce their own map data, afaik. Both are at the mercy, currently, of their data providers, their data agreements, their ab

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Do a comparison with other mapping sites (Yahoo) and see if its lack of information (Google should have the best as they have the best equipment for it) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, there are only a handful of countries that appear to have NO >

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Wow, there are only a handful of countries that appear to have NO information at all. Israel Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia Cypress Dominican Republic Turks and Caicos Bahamas Martinique Guyana Suriname French Guyana Argentina Falkland Islands North Korea South Korea Some of these are "disputed" from

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Hm, Are they next? On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Armenia and Azerbaijan have nothing, either, FWIW > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release t

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Switching to satellite view shows everything, though. Everything except for names or any other Google provided features. You can't hide a road from space but you can fail to identify it. > There are apparently a lot of

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Armenia and Azerbaijan have nothing, either, FWIW ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Robert Munn
Maybe Jerry's idea was right and they took it all out by request of the Israeli government. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Michael wrote: > > As for Sergey Brin, just because one is of Jewish genealogy does not mean > they are pro-Israel. Some of the most anti-Israel people around have Jewish >

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yahoo has no problem with knowing the roads and cities of Georgia. Wikipedia has no problem. Anyone know of any other mapping site that we can test? The speculation is that Russia asked Google to remove the information and as we've seen in the past, Google is quite happy to comply with the wishes o

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Switching to satellite view shows everything, though. There are apparently a lot of countries that do not have maps of roads. Cyprus, Vietnam, Iceland, Pakistan and many Caribbean islands as further examples. Google will also obscure or remove some vital maps and images if requested by the host c

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Robert Munn
I think the lack of maps comes more from a lack of data to map than anything, but I could be wrong. I found Yahoo's business directory stuff in maps to be totally useless in Marbella, and the map data itself was totally inaccurate as far as the location of our resort. It would be extremely troubli

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yahoo maps seem to be able to find towns, cities, and roads in Georgia. So Yahoo is better than Google. WOW On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Georgia is asking for a truce and Russia is ignoring it. Someone mentioned > that Georgia is missing from ya

Re: Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Georgia is asking for a truce and Russia is ignoring it. Someone mentioned that Georgia is missing from yahoo maps and if you look you'll see that all roads into the country disappear as soon as they get to the boarder, all of the cities have no name or identifiers, etc. its like they don't exist a

Re: this is weird, McCain as the Anti-Christ

2008-08-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I don't know. I'm more inclined to vote for him now. And with the nihilistic youth of today, there goes a large section of Obama voters. Why vote for the lesser of two evils? (Cthulhu for president) On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh brother, what a bunc

Georgia on the brink of all-out war with Russia

2008-08-10 Thread Robert Munn
So what does everyone think of the situation in Gerogia? The Russians appear to have completely thrown out the post-Cold War agenda and seem to be intent on overthrowing the democratic government of Georgia. The Russians timed the invasion on purpose, as well. They waited until the opening day of

Re: this is weird, McCain as the Anti-Christ

2008-08-10 Thread Robert Munn
Oh brother, what a bunch of whores the editors at the Nation turn out to be. They latch onto the ravings of some obscure religious nuts as a way to attack McCain. On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Larry wrote: > http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/08/10885/ > > Published on Friday, August

Re: 2010 Winter Olympics

2008-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
>Larry, I'm jealous. Thanks for the info tho! > I'll make sure I post photos of the events. Seriously though check out the pubs they're really something else. We'd finish a run and literally walk about 100 feet to the door of the pub. Great way to finish a nice run. ~

Re: 2010 Winter Olympics

2008-08-10 Thread Crow T. Robot
Larry, I'm jealous. Thanks for the info tho! On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get a reservation now. Places are already filling up. Besides places in > Whistler BC, also look at places in Squamish (just down the road from > Whistler), north Vancover or Pe

Re: Nice Melons - Sunday Funny

2008-08-10 Thread Vivec
h :-) 2008/8/10 C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e68bb5a8c6 > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.dou

Re: 2010 Winter Olympics

2008-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
Get a reservation now. Places are already filling up. Besides places in Whistler BC, also look at places in Squamish (just down the road from Whistler), north Vancover or Pemberton BC (both places nearby). Also I don't care what the propaganda is saying, Hwy 99 (The Sea and Sky Hwy) is frequentl

Nice Melons - Sunday Funny

2008-08-10 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e68bb5a8c6 o_O ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.ho

2010 Winter Olympics

2008-08-10 Thread Crow T. Robot
Hello list-bitchez! Coming back to the party after a long lurk period...anyways: I am thinking about taking the wife out to the winter Olympics in Vancouver. Anyone here from the area and have any advice as to where to stay? I'm currently in the pre-planning stages to see if it is something tha