Re: attn Beth, comments please

2008-09-07 Thread Sam
An anonymous reporter with anonymous sources posted on laprogressive.com. How can it not be true? On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am actually listening to you you know. Yes Sam, Yes Robert, I am > considering the source. > > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Beth wrote: > Industrialization has something to do with taxes? Do elaborate. I'm debating, not teaching economics. Buy a book. > You "disagree" based on what? you just feel like giving the governement > money is bad? Because if thats the sum of your argument,

Re: attn Beth, comments please

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
if someone has it on tape, that is newsworthy and i'd like to hear more about it. otherwise it's the chatter of the fringe, just like all the crap being thrown at obama. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Dana wrote: > I am actually listening to you you know. Yes Sam, Yes Robert, I am > considering

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Greg Morphis
re-read further... I see the word "chips" in there... - I can play both.. if for fun, poker, if for chips or whatever, texas hold 'em On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quick poll: > On Sun,

attn Beth, comments please

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
I am actually listening to you you know. Yes Sam, Yes Robert, I am considering the source. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/5/174130/7377 Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is "Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean" September 5, 2008 by Charley James – "So Sambo beat the bitch!

Re: Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
no robert, not if it offsets the payroll tax you don't. Earned Income Credit works the same way. No earned income, no credit. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Dana wrote: >> http://obama.3cdn.net/b7be3b7cd08e587dca_v852mv8ja.p

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-07 Thread Sam
Is that all that you think Google stores? On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > um. The information arrives at their computer. The email has a header, > the packet has an ip address. Yes, they could immediately discard > it... but there goes their business model. > >>>

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
*** re-reads original post several times ... ** Actually you made no mention of chips at all. Assumption for *any* poker game, black jack, etc is that you have some sort of "thing" with which to wager. Usually chips. But can be pretzels, pennies, clothes, whatever ... So ... if you're gonna point

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Greg Morphis
Yeah, but you need chips.. like I said in my original post.. but if you're just playing, no chips, no money, 5 card draw it is.. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles and I play Hold' Em heads up for fun all the time. We can play for > hours on a rai

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Beth In Alaska
> The last twenty years were very good economically. Low inflation, a > couple of mild recessions, lots of growth, and today in industrialized > nations, people have all sorts of benefits and conveniences that no > one, even the super-rich, had twenty years ago. That doesn't sound bad > to me. In f

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
Charles and I play Hold' Em heads up for fun all the time. We can play for hours on a rainy Sunday watching football. Good fun! We start with about 2500 in chips and play until there's a winner. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I can't see playing T

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Loathe
Black jack then. I do pretty well, My wife does better. Adam Churvis wrote: > Actually, just for fun. > > Walk in, get handed a rack o' chips, play 'til you're bust. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > >> -Original Message- >> From: Kel

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Loathe
I can play black jack, I would like to learn to play Texas Hold 'em. I say hole 'em. Adam Churvis wrote: > Quick poll: > > > > Do you know how to play Blackjack? > > > > Do you know how to play Texas Hold 'Em? > > > > Regardless of which game you do or don't know how to play right no

Unwed mothers...Article

2008-09-07 Thread Beth In Alaska
Hartford Courant September 7, 2008 A Family Values Exception For Pregnant Palin Daughter Helen Ubiñas September 7, 2008 I didn't get it; the way the young mothers refused to talk, how one lied about the baby girl in the stroller not being hers, and why the teenage couple who bluntly talke

Re: Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Dana wrote: > http://obama.3cdn.net/b7be3b7cd08e587dca_v852mv8ja.pdf > So, offhand, I see that Robert's Puritan concern that someone who > isn't working will get $1000 is ill-founded, as the $1000 is a rebate > of the payroll tax. This is a good thing in my opinion;

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Greg Morphis
Nope, poker, or 5 card draw, 2 rounds.. You put cards down, you pick cards up and it's over.. I'd rather play it for fun. The power went out last week for a day and my wife and I played many rounds of 5 card draw, and Rummy. But I can't see playing Texas Hol 'em or 7 card stud or any game like that

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Dana wrote: > ok well. I think Keynes was on the right track, personally. He did > only engineer the end of the Depression. The whole Laffner curve thing > is mostly dismissed anymore. If there were any validity to it the last > twenty years or so would have demonstr

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Larry wrote: > > So political propaganda and BS trump showing actual evidence. Glad to see > that you're following the theory of the big lie so well. > > By your standards, even if something is a complete and utter failure, if the > propaganda and the authorities s

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Gruss wrote: > So if it's not the democrats and it's not the republicans, what is it? > The combination. But I'll go one step farther. > Of course I think that's Obama and you will say it's McCain. > > The difference between us is that you could convince me to v

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
Know how to play both - but would rather play hold' em, anytime, anywhere, for fun or money. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;

RE: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Adam Churvis
Actually, just for fun. Walk in, get handed a rack o' chips, play 'til you're bust. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:58 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Tony
ill play anyone in either :) i just beat ac for the 2nd time and im headin to vegas in dec. -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Know how to play both, would play tex

Only in America ... ?

2008-09-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
John Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA ) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG ). He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA ), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE ) and tennis shoes (MA

Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Larry Lyons
> oh bs. > > Verified facts and scientific laws are challenged all the time. > Please > note -- I do not agree with the teaching of creationism and I have a > decent scientific background. And the first time I heard that the > dinosaurs died because a meteor hit the earth, I thought we were in >

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Kelly
Know how to play both, would play texas hold em, especially if it were for $$$ :-D ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;20374891

RE: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Adam Churvis
Did you mean "blackjack" rather than "poker?" Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:29 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'E

RE: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Jeff Garza
Myself I would prefer Hold 'Em... But for the beginner, blackjack would probably be the better choice as they don't have to worry about someone bluffing while trying to figure out if two pair beats three of a kind. ~| Adobe® Col

Re: Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Greg Morphis
I can play both.. if for fun, poker, if for chips or whatever, texas hold 'em On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quick poll: > > > > Do you know how to play Blackjack? > > > > Do you know how to play Texas Hold 'Em? > > > > Regardless of which game you do or

Blackjack or Texas Hold 'Em?

2008-09-07 Thread Adam Churvis
Quick poll: Do you know how to play Blackjack? Do you know how to play Texas Hold 'Em? Regardless of which game you do or don't know how to play right now, which game would you rather play for an evening (assuming that if you didn't know how to play your choice of game, someone would be

RE: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:13 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class > > what about what about the drake equation :) It's an attempt to state > the probability of oth

RE: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: denstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:43 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > > > As I define things (and as I be

RE: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:59 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class > > the ontological questions require more time than I have right this > this second -- I am at w

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
um. The information arrives at their computer. The email has a header, the packet has an ip address. Yes, they could immediately discard it... but there goes their business model. >> Why are you blaming the Government for crap Google is doing? If they >> didn't want to store this info for some odd

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
I hear ya, three fingers pointing back! Yes, tabling for now too, sall good. Thanks for the discussion! :D -- There is only one situation I can think of in which men and women make an effort to read better than they usually do. It is when they are in love and reading a love letter. Mortimer Ad

Re: Question About McCain

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Sam wrote: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Adam Churvis >> Republicans are desperately seeking >> John Notbush so they themselves can't be accused of falling in lockstep with >> Bush. They want someone who claims to be Notbush to carry their standard >> high aga

Re: Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Sam wrote: > Is this the new position? > We don't know what we're going to do but it won't/can't be the same? Yup. I'm pretty sure both sides are running on change now. Yes, it is ironic, especially after the Repubs talked so much trash, but hey. I'm pretty sur

Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
what about what about the drake equation :) It's an attempt to state the probability of other life existing in the universe. Naturally the numbers you get depend a lot on the assumptions that you put in :) On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:42 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 a

Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > As I define things (and as I believe most working scientists do as well) > "Science" is the result of the modern scientific method. There are > definitely related disciplines (mathematics for example) and unrelated > disciplines that seek to

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
Me I think what matters is knowing that someone gives a damn. Not necessarily whether mommy is home baking cookies. I think you make several good points but... well, this is another post I should not be trying to answer while at work, bottom line. More later. My overall point though is that while I

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
This /was/ funny, when J posted it. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086 Not that we're all not full of double standardization. :D -- Alone... together... duality yin and yang... wow... me pretty sleepy On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > On Sat,

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-07 Thread denstar
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Dana wrote: > They may well affect my perception of the situation. I suspect that > what youare saying also stems from some family observation about > absent parents. But it matters whether the child is abandoned or > simply not always in one single person's care. I

Re: Question About McCain

2008-09-07 Thread Sam
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Adam Churvis > Republicans are desperately seeking > John Notbush so they themselves can't be accused of falling in lockstep with > Bush. They want someone who claims to be Notbush to carry their standard > high again, and they would vote for a yellow dog if he hea

Re: Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread Sam
Is this the new position? We don't know what we're going to do but it won't/can't be the same? On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you think we've been doing that for the last 8 years, then McCain > is your man. He's old school, old, blood, old thinking.

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-07 Thread Sam
Obama wrote in his book he was headed towards junkie status in high school. I never hear that mentioned. I hear Larry call Bush nasty things because of alleged cocaine use but Obama gets a pass from him. The only so called slander against Obama is who was his preacher and who are his friends. Legi

Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
the ontological questions require more time than I have right this this second -- I am at work and also editing -- but I promise to come back to them soon and perhaps even today as I find this discussion interesting. Let me answer your final questions really fast though. What I was primarily think

RE: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:29 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class > > This is a thoughful answer Jim, but I still think it is wrong. I give > you Schrodinger's cat.

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>i don't need to link to anything. I would have thought the "how we are >buying freedom for the Iraqi people" a rather straightforward thing- >we have spent American lives and American dollars to rid them of a >murderous dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in a 35+ >year reign of te

Re: Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > http://obama.3cdn.net/b7be3b7cd08e587dca_v852mv8ja.pdf > I'll just be really blunt. In my opinion any campaign position - especially THIS campaign - is complete crap. In another thread I listed out the budgetary factors that are simply not sustainable and none of these proposals

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I agree, but the same goes for the Democrats, only they will spend > even more money and raise taxes That's a huge assumption based on old school thinking. Further, it's not backed up by the facts since 8 years of Clinton didn't prove our your theory; so empirically you're simpl

Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
This is a thoughful answer Jim, but I still think it is wrong. I give you Schrodinger's cat. The state of the cat is unknowable. Direct observation largely does not apply in quantum physics. Yet it is science, yes? Similarly, the nature of the universe is definitely a question for astronomy, but th

Obama's tax position for Erika

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
http://obama.3cdn.net/b7be3b7cd08e587dca_v852mv8ja.pdf So, offhand, I see that Robert's Puritan concern that someone who isn't working will get $1000 is ill-founded, as the $1000 is a rebate of the payroll tax. This is a good thing in my opinion; very-low-wage workers like kids who work in fast fo

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-07 Thread Dana
ok well. I think Keynes was on the right track, personally. He did only engineer the end of the Depression. The whole Laffner curve thing is mostly dismissed anymore. If there were any validity to it the last twenty years or so would have demonstrated it. Bush the Elder called it right: it's voodoo