Re: Tibbles update

2008-10-03 Thread Beth In Alaska
he sounds like my kinda cat. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/grou

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Larry Lyons
>Eight years just weren't enough to fix the Clinton mistakes. We need >eight more :) > ever notice that when the rightwingnuts cannot respond, they blame Clinton. I can just see it if Sam ever becomes impotent, he'll blame it on Clinton. ~

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
Here's quite the wonky analysis for you. It goes into some depth on how much the bailout might cost, how to price the securities and what the risks are in a market that might see declining home valuations. It is pretty dense with economic jargon though and therefore a bit difficult for me to follow

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
>Judah wrote: > Maureen said that the bill specifically said mortgage-backed > securities, not mortgage-related securities when I asked about it. It > was my understanding then that they could only buy mortgages and the > current value of mortgages held is in the neighborhood of 11 trillion. > Less

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > place and that McCain was wasting his time coming to town? How can you actually believe this? The answer is: because nobody knew what the fuck was going on and Pelosi and Reid and both fucking morons. Holy crap dude, it takes a week for just 2 of these people just to figure ou

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1.) Not enough. As was pointed out by Maureen, there are, like, $50 > Trillion of derivitive securities out there with CDOs and CDSs being > just one AND, of those, just sub-prime are worth more than $1T. Maureen said that t

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: >> I ain't no expert, but my guess is we'll never know anything ever. >> I've stopped reading about it, but since i'm tired I"ll give you my 2 cents on why it's most likely a pile of crap (not that I"m totally against it. or for it. or against it): (1.) Not enough. As was pointe

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > McCain saved the bill from oblivion > > Dude, seriously? Did you read that? Are you really saying that > without McCain there'd be no bill? > > I'm sorry to have to have to tell you, but nobody gave - or

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > McCain saved the bill from oblivion Dude, seriously? Did you read that? Are you really saying that without McCain there'd be no bill? I'm sorry to have to have to tell you, but nobody gave - or gives - a fuck about McCain. He was totally ignored. Except by Letterman. Which

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Gruss wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > And the markets could stll go south, but if the plan works and the bad > > asstes get pushed off the the government, we'll know relatively quickly > > I ain't no expert, but my guess is we'll never know anything ever. > > This who

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > And the markets could stll go south, but if the plan works and the bad > asstes get pushed off the the government, we'll know relatively quickly I ain't no expert, but my guess is we'll never know anything ever. This whole thing will be like the phantom WMD: it's out there to gi

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Congress:"Fine, but some of you idiots are going to jail over this mess." > > Wall St.:"Hmm, guess that's a risk we'll have to take." > HA! I think you called that one. Somebody's going to the clink. That having been said, my wife used to work on the convertible bond arbitrage

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Judah wrote: > > You know, I worried about this too. But they were supposed to have a > bill in place before the last Monday. Nothing happened, people > panicked, stocks plummeted. Then they get a bill together, the House > votes it down. Stocks go up. Ok, seems lik

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > because without a bailout, the market could drop thousands of points > lower with no prospect of a quick turn around. that would leave > everyone with assets in the market with far less wealth. for older > people wwho rely on

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also why there is an amendment process. To paraphrase a founding father when debating the wisdom of laying out the Bill of Rights: "If you go enumerating a list of rights that people have, some dumb ass in the future is going

Re: Tibbles update

2008-10-03 Thread Erika L. Walker
Most fantastic! We need more pictures. Must have pictures. He is the most handsome of cats. There's should be a Tibbles website ... On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, you guys who said Tibbles would play fetch with me because of his > genetics (part Maine Coo

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > Obama may have delivered the Congressional Black Caucus ...Good for him > for using some > > political capital to help get the bill passed. > > > > [McCain] got as many Republicans as could be gotten. > > S

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Gruss wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > I might as well take their money and flush it down the toilet if Obama > wins > > and has his way with taxes. > > > > Well, let's add up how much your mistakes have cost your parents so far: > HAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHAHA My parents ar

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I might as well take their money and flush it down the toilet if Obama wins > and has his way with taxes. > Well, let's add up how much your mistakes have cost your parents so far: * $10 Billion/mo in Iraq costing about $700B so far. And counting! * $1.7 Trillion in the last 2

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Adam wrote: > > From: Robert Munn > > No, fascism has a nationalistic component that is lacking here. > > You know, I thought this at first, too. But when I stepped back and bit > and > considered the world view (as best as I could), It seems like we already > had

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> JB wrote: > You can read about Ayers and Obama at > > http://www.barackbook.com/ > McCain only has 5 friends. You can read about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > Shareholders get $700 B. Are you a shareholder? I am. My parents are > retired > > and would have been significantly affected by the failure of the bailout. > > > > So apologize to them for your decade long

Tibbles update

2008-10-03 Thread adam
Okay, you guys who said Tibbles would play fetch with me because of his genetics (part Maine Coon) were so right. He's like a hyperactive spastic big dog shrunk down to size. He's stripped a feather toy down to its nubs, and he carries up to me and drops it (kinda) as a signal for me to throw it.

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Shareholders get $700 B. Are you a shareholder? I am. My parents are retired > and would have been significantly affected by the failure of the bailout. > So apologize to them for your decade long judgment error and make up for it by voting Obama. You elected an idiot and you've

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Obama may have delivered the Congressional Black Caucus ...Good for him for > using some > political capital to help get the bill passed. > > [McCain] got as many Republicans as could be gotten. So, using your words, net-net, McCain failed and then Obama stepped in and got it do

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
You can read about Ayers and Obama at http://www.barackbook.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archi

RE: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Adam Churvis
> From: Robert Munn > No, fascism has a nationalistic component that is lacking here. You know, I thought this at first, too. But when I stepped back and bit and considered the world view (as best as I could), It seems like we already had the nationalist component in place, and that this bill is

how to get out of your mortgage

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
Don't try this at home, kids. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/03/eviction.suicide.attempt/index.html ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.n

financial experts? (Maureen?)

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
Now that the bailout bill has passed, I am wondering how Paulson is going to evaluate the assets we are going to buy. They keep throwing around "market value" and "above market value", but my understanding is that most of these assets have an effective market value of zero right now because no one

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > So you support the bailout now? > > I said nothing about supporting the bailout or not. > > What I said was that in this crisis we saw one candidate, Obama, take > a step back, think through the options, find

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Gruss wrote: > > They'll be the ones getting the bad assets taken off their books with > taxpayer money. > And the government might actually make money on those assets one day. > > And the bankers that took home multimillion dollar bonuses for the > last 8 years

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
I call upon my favorite liberal intellectual, pop culture critic, and speaker of truth to power, Camille Paglia, to answer this one, during a bashing of John Edwards in the primary season: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2007/03/14/coulter/ Hence my unhappy surprise when Edwards, who has an a

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > because without a bailout, the market could drop thousands of points > lower with no prospect of a quick turn around. that would leave > everyone with assets in the market with far less wealth. for older > people wwho rely on income from investments to live, that matters a > lot.

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
that is a respectable position. And at some point the child itself has a right to be left the hell alone, sure. Where that point is can be discussed. But do you not agree that there is *some* point where we are talking about cells? Because many people don't, you know. That, I have an issue with. I

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
because without a bailout, the market could drop thousands of points lower with no prospect of a quick turn around. that would leave everyone with assets in the market with far less wealth. for older people wwho rely on income from investments to live, that matters a lot. On 10/3/08, Gruss Gott <[

Re: Flint . . . Oh No You Dihendt

2008-10-03 Thread Paul Ihrig
nice...if my budget gets cut to goto cfUnited this year, i am sending this to the BOSS ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Loathe
It's also why there is an amendment process. Those same writers had just sent their son's and peers off to die for this new found country. If you think that the federal government should protect the right of women to be able to have abortions there is a process by which that can be made to hap

and sarah was listening

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/now-palin-has-the-answers/#more-6516 check out what she says she reads -- "I not only use all the brains that I have, but all that I can borrow." Woodrow Wilson ~| Adobe® ColdFusio

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > the bill bas out people with assets in the market. mostly that means old > people. > How? How does it do that? All it's for is buying up bad assets which may or may do anything. So is that bailing out anyone except banks that hold bad debt and securities? ~~~

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
well see that is the problem with a strict interpretation of the constituion applied to issues the writers hadn't dreamt of. You can get there though either from a) separation of church and state or b) if you can't search my house why is your business whether I am pregnant? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Loathe
Yeah not so much, it's not in there. Different states should be able to set different standards according to the legislation put forward by the elected representatives of the people. Should be constitution 101, what does the 10th amendment say? I will admit that even I have expanded my own limi

Re: Flint . . . Oh No You Dihendt

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
god I am so glad you warned us :) I think I will refrain On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a three-way with hillary and condi look-alikes? my eyes are burning in > their sockets just from thinking about that cringe-inducing image. > > On 10/3/08, Gruss Gott <

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
social security and medicare are funded year to year, as you well know. short term fuunding for them is fine, and nothing anyone does (short of cutting benefits) is going to shore up those programs in the long run. the bill bas out people with assets in the market. mostly that means old people. O

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
you think journalists have money??? With the exception of a few people in television, I am here to laugh at that . On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/ > Journalists dole out cash to politicians (quietly) > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
mainstream media. You clearly have not spent enough time talking to the right-wing lunatic fringe On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "MSM"? > > Jerry Johnson wrote: >> The whole MSM argument is the sadest part of this whole thing. >> >> Get over it. Really.

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > the right to be left the fuck alone. > Elitist. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive

Re: Flint . . . Oh No You Dihendt

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
a three-way with hillary and condi look-alikes? my eyes are burning in their sockets just from thinking about that cringe-inducing image. On 10/3/08, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, yes you did: > > http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=12971 > >

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
they are already preparing the way. The president says it would be irresponsible to move too swiftly (now *there's* one for a lack-of-self-awareness award). Some other dude was just sayind oh yeah well we have probably staved off a panic, but we still have problems. No duh. .And now we have $700 bi

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
the right to be left the fuck alone. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the constitutional impetus? > > Gruss Gott wrote: >>> tBone wrote: >>> I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to >>> the states to handle. >>> >> >> I thin

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Dana
I think abortion should concern nobody but the doctor performing it, the mother and in most cases the father. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to >> the states to handle. >>

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Loathe
No they don't, they simply decide on the constitutionality of a law. Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> What is the constitutional impetus? >>> I think it should've been left up to people who can see clinics from >>> their window. >>> >>> You know, experts. >>> > > They preside over the senate.

Flint . . . Oh No You Dihendt

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
Oh, yes you did: http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=12971 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: htt

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > What is the constitutional impetus? >> >> I think it should've been left up to people who can see clinics from >> their window. >> >> You know, experts. >> They preside over the senate. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 so

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > This is a bad bill, but the alternative is total economic chaos. As I noted > earlier, this bill is a bailout for retirees and near-retirees. I'll say again, WHAT?? The bill doesn't shore up medicare, medicaid, or social security. Further, it may likely have little or no effect

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Loathe
What is the constitutional impetus? Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to >> the states to handle. >> > > I think it should've been left up to people who can see clinics from > their window. > > You know, experts. > >

Re: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Adam wrote: > Yes, we are going to nosedive. > > This bill is actually just a distraction for the general public while the > current administration gets the hell out of Dodge. > > If I remember my technical political definitions, this isn't Socialism; > it's > Fasc

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
Ok Sam, I'll explain one more time and I'll try to use small words. Here is the surge strategy as outlined by Bush: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-7.html Actual plan from the Whitehouse, not anyone's interpretation of the plan. Just the President's. And here is where he

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to > the states to handle. > I think it should've been left up to people who can see clinics from their window. You know, experts. ~| Adobe® C

Re: O. M. G.

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > Hey Gruss, > I found Sarah Palin's reading list > http://justsayneveragain.org/allofthem.html > ROTFLOL!! THAT is awesome. (and true which means it's also terrifying) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Loathe
I think roe v wade was a terrible decision, it should have been left to the states to handle. Maureen wrote: > You think Roe v Wade and Brown v Topeka Board of Education are the > worst decisions, or those are the only decisions you remember? > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Tony <[EMAIL P

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > So you support the bailout now? I said nothing about supporting the bailout or not. What I said was that in this crisis we saw one candidate, Obama, take a step back, think through the options, find the win, and then deliver it. We saw McCain conduct an erratic series of impulsive

Re: someone named factcheck.org

2008-10-03 Thread Captian Oblivious
You are soo /dev/null'ed. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:24 AM, J.J. Merrick wrote: > OK go ahead and filter me now! :-) > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Tria

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
So you support the bailout now? Maybe, McCain's heart wasn't in it. I know that's a stretch but I wouldn't use the bailout as an accomplishment. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> Obama been during this entire financial crisis? Hiding. Why?

Re: off the top of your head, worst supreme court decisions in your opinion

2008-10-03 Thread Captian Oblivious
That's the heart of the matter tho. With our screwed up legal system, we're killing folk that are innocent. I cannot stand that. Lock the degenerates up for life, no parole, nothing. Make the fools work at something productive, and pay for their own keep. For me, I'd say it's the "proof

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Obama been during this entire financial crisis? Hiding. Why? Obama, by nature, is measured and considerate. He's not going to blunder into beehive (like Iraq) naked which is exactly what getting into the middle of this right now would be. And we know that's fact and not opinion

Re: NOOK-YUH-LER!

2008-10-03 Thread Captian Oblivious
Also, I thought that, also, she sounded annoying. Her voice alone... *cringe* Just idle talk, forks-- er folks, (hmm... folks? Plural plural? nm.), not commenting on any ability, other than that to make me think of Fran Drescher. Fran is a real hottie tho, plain dusts Sarah. Har de har har! C

Re: Here are the real winners!

2008-10-03 Thread Captian Oblivious
shiguro and Agota Toth for discovering that slime > molds can solve puzzles. > > This story has a little more coverage of some of the winners. > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081003/D93IN0VO0.html > > > > ~

RE: House approves massive bailout bill!

2008-10-03 Thread Adam Churvis
Yes, we are going to nosedive. This bill is actually just a distraction for the general public while the current administration gets the hell out of Dodge. Wait a short time and you will see that there will be an urgent call for yet another bill just like this one. They'll call it something like

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > As I noted before, I wanted McCain in 2000, not Bush. > But you voted for Bush and have supported him ever since. That having been said, kudos to you for admitting your decade of poor judgment. I only wish you'd turn recognition into action. Nevertheless, you and I are an inte

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
But with polls showing the public losing faith in the ability of journalists to give the news straight up, some major newspapers and TV networks are clamping down. They now prohibit all political activity — aside from voting — no matter whether the journalist covers baseball or proofreads the obitu

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/ Journalists dole out cash to politicians (quietly) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have several family members who work in Mainstream Media. They are > forbidden by their employers to donate to political campaigns that >

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
> I have a picture of John Kerry with Jane Fonda. Is it the real one or the fake one? > You want it so you can photoshop Obama into it? Not sure why. She did endorse him, isn't that enough? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a picture of John Kerry with J

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
I have several family members who work in Mainstream Media. They are forbidden by their employers to donate to political campaigns that they cover. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a good take on the current situation. > > http://townhall.com/columnists/Tony

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
I have a picture of John Kerry with Jane Fonda. You want it so you can photoshop Obama into it? On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/09/24/mainstream-media-should-pay-attention-to-obamas-ties-to-william-ayers.html > > Mainstream

Re: how scripted could she be????

2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
As opposed to Shrub, who makes decisions and doesn't give a damn about the details. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I think a President McCain could be far worse than President Bush > because he makes decisions and worries about the details later. > > I c

Re: O. M. G.

2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
Hey Gruss, I found Sarah Palin's reading list http://justsayneveragain.org/allofthem.html On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fecking lady doesn't even read the news. > > Asked what newspapers and magazines she reads, Palin - a journalism > major in

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I truly find it sad that EVERY SINGLE LINK you ever post is invariably, > completely, and unrepentantly from a single point of view. That's because I'm using it to support a point of view, usualy in response to a biased att

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
I truly find it sad that EVERY SINGLE LINK you ever post is invariably, completely, and unrepentantly from a single point of view. (and not just you, others do it, but it is always sad) For example, although there are literally hundreds of news watchdog groups, which monitor news for _any_ wander

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
My witting skills sucks and it saves me time :) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for your links, do you EVER do any of this work yourself? Why do you > _always_ link from other people's analysis, quoting from other people's > analysis, and hard-core ri

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
I can't believe I need to spell everything out for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007 The plan began with a major operation to secure Baghdad, codenamed Operation Fardh al-Qanoon (Operation Imposing Law), which was launched in February 2007. However, only in mid-June

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yep, I would agree that the NYT is somewhat slanted against israel. Or more specifically, holds Israel to a higher moral standard than it does other countries, even our own. That doesn't make it liberal. In fact, more liberals are pro-israel than conservatives historically. So wouldn't being criti

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't you group Blankley as Main Stream? I certainly would. And he is > definitely biased. Carl Rove is now mainstream. Although, he does appear to > try to be rational, these days. No he's right wing. Mainstream is not

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
Ah, right, questions aren't important for understanding the context of answers to those questions. This is the part where I forget to include the conspiracy again, right? And referring to the President laying out the surge strategy is spinning? Must also be part of the liberal conspiracy again. Re

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your spinning > Go back and read what the President laid out as the surge strategy. > And next time you quote an answer from someone like McKiernan, include > the question. Questions are kind of important, no? Not in this

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
I have to disagree. I used to always read two or three papers a day. The New York Times always, always told a one side of the story. Especially when talking about Israel. Other papers would in fairness at least put in a comment from the other side just so you would know there are two sides to a st

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
Wouldn't you group Blankley as Main Stream? I certainly would. And he is definitely biased. Carl Rove is now mainstream. Although, he does appear to try to be rational, these days. As is George Will. And plenty of others. Ever heard of Fox? Or News Corp? As for the NYT, you must not follow it ver

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
Go back and read what the President laid out as the surge strategy. Then tell me how it applies to Afghanistan. If you want to declare that putting more soliders in Afghanistan and then having them coordinate with local tribes is a surge, fine. But that is not the surge strategy (tactic, whatever)

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
There is definitely more "liberals" in the media than "conservatives". But that is not necessarily due to bias, but more because of the kind of people drawn to certain job types. MBAs for the most part lean conservative Military folk lean conservative Teachers lean liberal Doctors lean conservati

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
You said: "As for the 'working with the tribes', that's not a surge strategy" Clearly it is a part of it. He actually said: "The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan emphasized, saying that what is required instead is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
I was actually talking about the fact that he is currently wanted by several countries. Some related to illegal bombing in Cambodia. Some related to the dirty war in South America. I can't remember all of them off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure there is a section on his Wikipedia page that out

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
Here's a good take on the current situation. http://townhall.com/columnists/TonyBlankley/2008/09/24/the_man_who_never_was Many reporters have admitted a bias and donation go mostly to democrats. There's no way to deny NYTimes is in the tank for Obama. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Scott Stewa

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GEN. MCKIERNAN: Well, I think the similarity is the fact that we need > to leverage the tribal system in Afghanistan as was done in Iraq, as > -- for a comm

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Scott Stewart
There is some bias in the media, but this vast liberal media conspiracy simply doesn't exist. Media bias leans against whoever the standing president is, it sells commercial time and newspapers Sam wrote: > An independent that thinks there's no bias in the media. > I wonder who you'll vote for

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
I personally don't know yet. Both have plenty of time to lose my vote, still. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An independent that thinks there's no bias in the media. > I wonder who you'll vote for :) > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PRO

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
Main Stream Media. It is super-secret code used by people who believe that all media is horribly and irrevocably biased towards the left. Many of whom are employed by the Main Stream Media. The complete irony of which is completely lost on the very same people. And is just the sort of labeling a

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
mainstream media On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "MSM"? > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
An independent that thinks there's no bias in the media. I wonder who you'll vote for :) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The whole MSM argument is the sadest part of this whole thing. > > Get over it. Really. > > And "my guy"? I don't have a guy. >

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Vivec
*giggles* Sam...you are starting to sound very very OUt There :) 2008/10/3 Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > He did. >> Oh yeah!! Now Obama is a terrorist! > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ayers is an admitted unrepentant terrorist. Claims he wish he did more. >> I th

Re: fact check time

2008-10-03 Thread Scott Stewart
"MSM"? Jerry Johnson wrote: > The whole MSM argument is the sadest part of this whole thing. > > Get over it. Really. > > And "my guy"? I don't have a guy. > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> It's easy for you to say. The MSM is trying it's hardest to elect

Re: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

2008-10-03 Thread Sam
He did. > Oh yeah!! Now Obama is a terrorist! On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ayers is an admitted unrepentant terrorist. Claims he wish he did more. > I thought Gel talking about Obama being a terrorist > ~~

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