Re: Just wow, wow, holy crap, wow.

I summed it up in two words: Diebold: Ohio. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Really?  The how did he spend 8 years in the White House?  I'll admit he may > not have legitimately won in 2000, but how do you explain 2004? I can sum > that up in 2 words - John Kerr ~

Re: RIP Pontiac

I'm really bummed about this. My first car was a 1962 Pontiac Tempest convertible. It didn't run very well, and the transmission died on numerous occasions, but I sure felt special cruising around with the top down. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > http://money.cnn.com/2

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > And finally, let's full loop back to International Military Tribunal > for the Far East. General Seishirô Itagaki, the war minister, was > hanged. Just a wee bit o' precedent there. > You don't seem to understand precedent. The Japanese sol

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

> RoMunn wrote: > Apparently you don't know the difference between friend and foe. > I have no idea what that means. But lemme break it down for ya since you're clearly perplexed and vulnerable to your usual narratives: (1.) An international court (for which the US is a signatory and bound) has

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > RoMunn wrote: > > I think we should follow historical precedent > > Sounds good. The last time the US was at war was WWII. > > The following Japanese were sentenced to death for various charges > including a technique specifically called out

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

> RoMunn wrote: > I think we should follow historical precedent Sounds good. The last time the US was at war was WWII. The following Japanese were sentenced to death for various charges including a technique specifically called out under its various names: "water cure," "water torture" and "wat

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

> RoMunn wrote: > All of this is beside the point, though. Obama has already said he is not > going to allow prosecutions of the agents who carried out the actual > interrogations. So where does that leave us? Wow, the legal opinion narrative has caught your fancy, huh? S ... did ya look int

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Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > > > OK, so once again...its bad to scare someone, but OK to kill someone. > > What are you talking about? > > My point is that torture is illegal and it should be punishable by > death following a jury trial. > I think we shou

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > RoMunn wrote: > > Torture is not justifiable. Now let's wait for Congress to specifically > > define whether waterboarding is torture, because today it is not > > specifically defined in the law as torture. > > DOH! And here we executed that J

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

> Scott wrote: > > OK, so once again...its bad to scare someone, but OK to kill someone. What are you talking about? My point is that torture is illegal and it should be punishable by death following a jury trial. Thus if an American hero feels catastrophe is imminent, and the only way to preve

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM, denstar wrote: > > You sure choose weird times to put your faith in the government. > Ha, I have no faith that Congress will actually do what I suggested. > Obama has already proven he doesn't lean too far to either direction (IMO). > Except for the whole so

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

I personally will not read any article by Navarrette. He is a racist and a bigot. Which I remind CNN of each time they put a teaser of him on their home page. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Munn wrote: >> >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/PO

Re: How About this? (was intel memos)

OK, so once again...its bad to scare someone, but OK to kill someone. I think this is finally making senseNOT. Can we make the same rules for the touchy feely, asking for the information nicely people too? On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Stroz wrote: > > But, its n

Re: Just wow, wow, holy crap, wow.

Really? The how did he spend 8 years in the White House? I'll admit he may not have legitimately won in 2000, but how do you explain 2004? I can sum that up in 2 words - John Kerry. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Diebold. Ohio. Bush has never been elected. > > On Thu, A

RE: Oo! I forgot to tell you ...

> As far as the actual story goes - did you hear > the recording of the pilots? Indeed, the pilots and the controllers did everything by the book as far as I can tell. Emergency training is drilled into both pilots and the controllers, so everyone was calm as Hindu cows given the situation. -Ju

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

> RoMunn wrote: > Torture is not justifiable. Now let's wait for Congress to specifically > define whether waterboarding is torture, because today it is not > specifically defined in the law as torture. DOH! And here we executed that Japanese guy in WWII for waterboarding POWs. Oh, and we've ju

Re: fios test

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Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:56 PM, denstar  wrote: > >> >>  Your arguments are starting to confuse me-- do you think torture can >> be justified, or that it can't? > > > Torture is not justifiable. Now let's wait for Congress to specifically >

Re: fios test

Interesting ... my stats: $19.99/mo, comcast cable, wi-fi on work laptop which is prolly n but maybe b: home town: 14/2.5 http://www.speedtest.net/result/459611508.png san francisco: 6.8/1/5 http://www.speedtest.net/result/459613782.png Chicago: 12/1.3 http://www.speedtest.net/result/4596150

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Re: fios test

:-|Yes. well. okies that is fantastic to everywhere. 2009/4/24 Larry Lyons > > From Chicago: > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459494500.png > > From Seattle > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459495635.png > > still pretty darned fast. > > ~

How About this? (was intel memos)

> Stroz wrote: > But, its not OK to make me feel like I am drowning to get me to tell you > about the same attack? > The question is moot because you don't KNOW the person KNOWS; that's why you're torturing them. But let's see if we can find a nexus of agreement, so how about this? We would agr

RE: Oo! I forgot to tell you ...

> -Original Message- > From: Justin Scott [mailto:jscott-li...@gravityfree.com] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:03 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Oo! I forgot to tell you ... > > > > I've heard that Airbus has sealed the records and investigation. > > That alone makes the report

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:06 PM, denstar wrote: > > Sorry if this is a spoiler for the rest of cf-comm, but I had to say > something-- quite a show Rob, quite a show! > > You'll be here all week? > And twice on Sunday. Please tip your waitress. ~

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:56 PM, denstar wrote: > > Your arguments are starting to confuse me-- do you think torture can > be justified, or that it can't? Torture is not justifiable. Now let's wait for Congress to specifically define whether waterboarding is torture, because today it is not s

Re: Just wow, wow, holy crap, wow.

Diebold. Ohio. Bush has never been elected. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > By this, I assume you mean the people that the American voters elected (at > least for the last 4 years).  I am really sick and tired of all the > Bush-bashing.  Was the guy a b00b?  Yes.  But th

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Michael wrote: > > Ah yes, i'm sure that 2 million will ease the pain of having the wrong leg > amputated. Provided you have the resources to mount a lawsuit that is. > The point is not to ease the pain but to provide both a legal punishment to the idiot doctor a

Re: CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/24/navarrette.torture/index.html > > Interesting piece, especially this bit. He takes a shot at Obama for > abdicating his responsibility. Captain of the ship, right Gruss? Hells yeah. You go Robert, hold

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

Ah yes, i'm sure that 2 million will ease the pain of having the wrong leg amputated. Provided you have the resources to mount a lawsuit that is. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Unfortunate, but in the US you can sue and win a significant award for > malpractice. > > On

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Ah yes, i'm sure that 2 million will ease the pain of having the wrong leg > amputated. Provided you have the resources to mount a lawsuit that is. > You realize how stupid that statement is right? They would still need to amputate the

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:33 PM, denstar wrote: > >> >>  > We have always taken extraordinary measures during wartime that we >> would >> > have never allowed during peacetime. That's the nature of war. >> >> This is just fucking wrong dude.

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

Unfortunate, but in the US you can sue and win a significant award for malpractice. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, William B wrote: > > > As opposed to the healthcare system where a woman who had a full > > mastectomy was told later that she never had cancer. > > Or where chopping off the wron

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:33 PM, denstar wrote: > > > We have always taken extraordinary measures during wartime that we > would > > have never allowed during peacetime. That's the nature of war. > > This is just fucking wrong dude. I'm pretty sure the U.S. of A. > signed a treaty that reads so

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jerry wrote: > >> >> need some parameters answered for me to understand the sides here. can >> each of you answer these? >> >> >> 1. is waterboarding torture (me, yes). > > > Are we talking about the legal de

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Judah wrote: > > > No it wasn't. You've been lied to. > > This shit has been dealt with before and we know how it works. It was > never a gray area in any sense other than willful ignorance. I'm not > down with willful ignorance > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

Well judging by the picture he doesn't look the type that would carry a whole lot of insurance, so if it was the US he never would've made it past the lobby. Nice post though GG. I dub thee Über troll. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > > As opposed to the healthcare syst

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > 2. is waterboarding extra-legal or illegal, or is it fine? (me, illegal) > > >  It was a legal gray area prior to 9/11. Now it is banned. No it wasn't. You've been lied to. This shit has been dealt with before and we know how it works. It wa

CNN commentary - torture memos not criminal

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/24/navarrette.torture/index.html Interesting piece, especially this bit. He takes a shot at Obama for abdicating his responsibility. Captain of the ship, right Gruss? --- Besides, how do you go about prosecuting lawyers for simply offering legal opinions when

swine flu outbreak

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Re: fios test

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Larry wrote: > > > From Chicago: > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459494500.png > > From Seattle > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459495635.png > > still pretty darned fast. > Damn, that is fast. I especially like the upload speed. Is there a cap on total tran

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jerry wrote: > > need some parameters answered for me to understand the sides here. can > each of you answer these? > > > 1. is waterboarding torture (me, yes). Are we talking about the legal definition of torture? That's where the issue starts. 2. is waterboa

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > need some parameters answered for me to understand the sides here. can > each of you answer these? > > > 1. is waterboarding torture (me, yes). Sure looks like torture (re: porn, and knowing it when you see it-- but I guess by our own def

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

> As opposed to the healthcare system where a woman who had a full > mastectomy was told later that she never had cancer. Or where chopping off the wrong limb is such a common occurrence that the standard industry practice is now to give the patient a marker, so the surgeon doesn't screw up? --

Re: fios test

>http://www.speedtest.net/result/459436078.png >You need to actually not test a local server though, test one that is some >ways away to get your true real world speed. >If you test to a local server you are supposed to always get the full 100% >speed of your connection, as I did above. > >That is

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

As opposed to the healthcare system where a woman who had a full mastectomy was told later that she never had cancer. On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Gruss wrote: > >> >> If this is from the UK then I'm making a snarky post about the >> "

Re: fios test

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Vivec wrote: > > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459436078.png > You need to actually not test a local server though, test one that is some > ways away to get your true real world speed. > If you test to a local server you are supposed to always get the full 10

Re: intel memos

> Again, if I tortured you (say, making you use Outlook on a Windows Me > machine) *Bloody jailer's pet. I've hung awake at night dreamin' of using Outlook on a Windows ME machine... (I'm a Notes user) *with apologies to Monty Python -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;

Re: Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Gruss wrote: > > If this is from the UK then I'm making a snarky post about the "great" > healthcare in the UK. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173161/Go-home-youve-broken-Father-stunned-sent-home-spine-injuries.html Welcome to nationalized healt

Re: intel memos

OK, so if I walk into a crowded market with a bomb strapped to my back it would be OK for a sniper to take me out. But, its not OK to make me feel like I am drowning to get me to tell you about the same attack? On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > JJ wrote: > > > > No, just

Re: intel memos

Again, if I tortured you (say, making you use Outlook on a Windows Me machine), and you gave up actionable intelligence, then it worked. And that would be my justification defense. But, if I tortured you (say, made you listen to Sean Hannity for more than 30 seconds), and you did NOT give up act

Re: intel memos

> JJ wrote: > to you, sir. > HA! you da man. I would say that even if you can prove your neighbor was planning to rob you or hurt you, you can't preemptively kill him. That's illegal. It's never justified. You'll go to prison. That's 1st degree murder by you. AND In the case of preemptio

Re: intel memos

No, I'm not. Ptthth! The "efficacy" question will need to be part of the defense. And if it was not effective, it cannot be justified. Simple. to you, sir. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> JJ wrote: >> >> No, just like justifiable homicide, self defense justificat

Re: Mythbusters test to fuse metal with a 700mph rocket sled!!

You guys have any questions for them? They are doing a keynote here in a couple of hours. Dunno if they will take questions, but it's worth a shot if it's a good question. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Vivec wrote: > > MRAAhahahhaha!!! :-) > BOOOM!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS

Re: intel memos

> JJ wrote: > > No, just like justifiable homicide, self defense justification and > jury nullification, No, not like that at all. There's 2 questions here: (1.) The immoral question: does torture work? No. That's proven time and again. There's universal agreement on that by people concerned

Re: fios test

http://www.speedtest.net/result/459436078.png You need to actually not test a local server though, test one that is some ways away to get your true real world speed. If you test to a local server you are supposed to always get the full 100% speed of your connection, as I did above. That isn't my

Re: Arianna Nails It

>> >> Isn't torture one of those things where there really is no legitimate >> other side? >> >> >The answer to this question is "No, torture is NOT one of those issues to >which there is no legitimate other side." > >Many nations and their governments torture without even giving it a second >thou

Re: fios test

This is an interesting list of the Top 10 countries by download speeds in the world:http://www.speedtest.net/global.php ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic

Re: intel memos

> Scott wrote: > BTW - You nailed exactly how I feel about it. >> ButI admit there may be a time and a reason for it. >> Which makes us different from, say, Stalin or Hussein because OUR time and place is DIFFERENT from THIER time and place. The triumph of torturing people at a different tim

Hey Scott

Saw ur tweet about getting the dog to bring the ball back. My advice - trainer showed us this, it rocked - cut a bunch of hot dogs up into pea-sized chunks. Get wife to stand across the room/yard (yard best), handful of bits of hot dog in hand. Stand with feet way apart. You do the same thing

Re: Arianna Nails It

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Isn't torture one of those things where there really is no legitimate > other side? > > The answer to this question is "No, torture is NOT one of those issues to which there is no legitimate other side." Many nations and their governments t

Re: Mythbusters test to fuse metal with a 700mph rocket sled!!

RSA conference :) I will see how that works out, John Alden. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Vivec wrote: > > How...what are you doing at a mythbusters key note?0_0 > You seem to be having much fun and doing much interesting stuff of late! > > will you be seeing kari? you could...you could umm

Moon Mystery Solved

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Re: intel memos

No, just like justifiable homicide, self defense justification and jury nullification, there are times and places in our legal system where we say "yes, that is wrong. no one should do it. But in this case, we kind of understand it, and may make allowances". On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Gru

Re: intel memos

I think that 24 has a lot to answer for in causing us these doubts. I want to say it is never ok and I do believe that it is not a good way to interrogate. But I will allow that conceivably somebody somewhere might do it anyway because it serves some larger purpose and be right...but I can also co

Re: Mythbusters test to fuse metal with a 700mph rocket sled!!

How...what are you doing at a mythbusters key note?0_0 You seem to be having much fun and doing much interesting stuff of late! will you be seeing kari? you could...you could umm tell her that I'm a fan. *_* 2009/4/24 Dana > > You guys have any questions for them? They are doing a keynote here

Re: fios test

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Re: intel memos

Be careful Jerry, Larry will start thinking you are a Nazi for comments like this. BTW - You nailed exactly how I feel about it. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I guess my feelings are as follows. > > It is torture > It should not be common > It should be illegal. > >

Healthcare Post or Haircut Post? Hmmm...

If this is from the UK then I'm making a snarky post about the "great" healthcare in the UK. If its in America or some other place, then this post is all about that guy's awesome forward-thinking hair-did. Seriously. Check that shiz out. I'm hopeful that they gave that to him at the clinic or

Re: intel memos

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > But Scott, you are advocating torture as a common, practical tool for > our government. > > Whoalets back the fuck up. At what point did I advocate torture as a common, practical tool for our government? Becasue I surely do not remem

Re: fios test

>suck suck suck >http://www.speedtest.net/result/459402433.png > thanks for the link, here's the test results: http://www.speedtest.net/result/459431514.png Given that I had a slow DSL connection before, damn this is fast. heh-heh-heh.

Mythbusters test to fuse metal with a 700mph rocket sled!!

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Re: fios test

>Use Speedtest.net and post a linky to the image :) Its a flash app. No link to the test image. let me know where to grab it and I'll post it its a bit slower now, downloading a couple of movies while I ran the test, but here's the most recent results: Last Result: Download Speed: 19042 kbps

Re: fios test

>Thats just wrong, plan wrong. I get 2.8mb down and 1.0 up. (for $200/month) > $110 a month for FIOS-TV, 20/5 internet and phone. Not complaining that's for sure. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dr

Arianna Nails It

The way we respond to the revelations about the Bush administration's use of torture will define the kind of country we are. It is a test of our courage and our convictions. So far, the media are not getting high marks. They can't seem to shake their addiction to looking at every issue through t

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Re: intel memos

> JJ wrote: > > And he is then judged for the crimes he committed. > > And a jury of his peers will decide if he made the right choice. > If it's illegal, then he made the wrong choice and should go to prison and/or be executed. The choices are Lubyanka or a country of laws based on moral code.

Robots in war

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Re: fios test

http://www.speedtest.net/result/459405173.png (wifi from the patio, shared connection with 2 other household members, one watching roku) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > > suck suck suck > http://www.speedtest.net/result/459402433.png >

Re: fios test

He just got super high speed. I don't think "in" is what he's rubbin. (Not statistically anyway) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > Sufre.  rub it in, why don't y ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is t

Re: intel memos

I guess my feelings are as follows. It is torture It should not be common It should be illegal. ButI admit there may be a time and a reason for it. And there may be a time when an interrogator decides that , even though it is illegal, and immoral, that THIS ONE CASE requires that it be done

Re: fios test

suck suck suck http://www.speedtest.net/result/459402433.png On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > u suck ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

Re: fios test

u suck On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > Just ran the Speakeasy Speed Test 19.893 mb down and 4.998 mb up. Not too > shabby at all. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic r

Re: fios test

Thats just wrong, plan wrong. I get 2.8mb down and 1.0 up. (for $200/month) - Original Message - From: "Larry Lyons" To: "cf-community" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: Re: fios test > >> They just finished hooking up FIOS to the house. Just testing posting. >> But damn

Re: intel memos

>Larry, you are one of the first people to pitch a fit when some one >overgeneralizes on this list. Yet again, you can't help but expose your >profound hypocrisy. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for you. >The Nazis also breathed air and ate food, does that mean if you breathe air >and eat food you

Re: fios test

Sufre. rub it in, why don't ya On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > > They just finished hooking up FIOS to the house. Just testing posting. > > But damn the connection is fast. > > Just ran the Speakeasy Speed Test 19.893 mb down and 4.998 mb up. Not too > shabby at all. >

Re: intel memos

Now who is painting with a broad brush? don't you ever get tired of trying to prove how stupid everyone else is? We got smart and voted Bush out. Maybe the Iranians will lose -their- nutjob. Never can tell. But if they invade Israel int he meantime they are dead wrong and I am against them. But y

Re: fios test

Use Speedtest.net and post a linky to the image :) 2009/4/24 Larry Lyons > > > Just ran the Speakeasy Speed Test 19.893 mb down and 4.998 mb up. Not too > shabby at all. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impor

Re: intel memos

\ > 1. is waterboarding torture (yes). > 2. is waterboarding extra-legal or illegal, or is it fine? (illegal) > 3. if legal, in what circumstances? Ticking bomb cases? general > interrogation of terrorists? general interrogation? > 4. who can it be used on? Just people captured in war zones? anyon

Re: intel memos

> JJ wrote: > > But Scott, you are advocating torture as a common, practical tool for > our government. > > For a great many Americans, that puts you squarely in the "willing to > do bad things for questionable reasons." category. > It's ironic because people wonder how Nazi Germany could've ever

POLL: Torture or No Torture? (was nazi thread)

> JJ wrote: > > need some parameters answered for me to understand the sides here. can > each of you answer these? > > > 1. is waterboarding torture (me, yes). yes - fact > 2. is waterboarding extra-legal or illegal, or is it fine? (me, illegal) illegal - fact the rest of the questions wouldn't a

Re: fios test

> They just finished hooking up FIOS to the house. Just testing posting. > But damn the connection is fast. Just ran the Speakeasy Speed Test 19.893 mb down and 4.998 mb up. Not too shabby at all. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 sof

Re: intel memos

But Scott, you are advocating torture as a common, practical tool for our government. For a great many Americans, that puts you squarely in the "willing to do bad things for questionable reasons." category. The most egregious people in that category are in my mind the Nazis. And the theoreticall

Re: intel memos

need some parameters answered for me to understand the sides here. can each of you answer these? 1. is waterboarding torture (me, yes). 2. is waterboarding extra-legal or illegal, or is it fine? (me, illegal) 3. if legal, in what circumstances? Ticking bomb cases? general interrogation of terror

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Larry, you are one of the first people to pitch a fit when some one overgeneralizes on this list. Yet again, you can't help but expose your profound hypocrisy. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for you. The Nazis also breathed air and ate food, does that mean if you breathe air and eat food you are

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>> >> >> So what the f*ck is the difference between your attitude and those who >> lived on the outskirt of the Bergen Belsen camps? >> > > >the nazis invaded other countries and were actively pursuing genocide >against a significant chunk of the world's population, that's the >difference. But yo

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Dana wrote: > > but.. the Nazis were completely convinced that the jews were fanatics > bent on social destruction, > > Interesting... doesn't the president of Iran feel the same way? You know, that country everyone wants to get all diplomatic with. -- Scott

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I would still love for someone to give me a reasonable explanation how being willing to protect my family from harm makes me a Nazi. To paraphrase for several other threads, 'paint with a wide brush often?' But I guess when its the bleedi

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