RE: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

2009-10-22 Thread Justin Scott
> ...and he's going to sell America... Unfortunately I don't think he'll get much for it on the open market these days. -Justin ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House o

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>He was talking about the miracles that were performed in >order for Moses to free the Jews from the egyptians. Yet when it came >to ww2 and the concentration camps, no miracles were seen. Yet the >concentration camps were more of a malevolent threat to Jews than were >the Egyptians. Not

Re: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

2009-10-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Justin wrote: > Obama couldn't do that even if he wanted to.  All treaties have to be > ratified by 2/3rds of the Senators. That's what you say. I heard Obama only wears a flag pin because it's a soviet bug and he's going to sell America to ACORN muslims who are really Kenyans. And you know w

RE: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

2009-10-22 Thread Justin Scott
> Subject: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty Obama couldn't do that even if he wanted to. All treaties have to be ratified by 2/3rds of the Senators. Treaties are also required to be in line with the constitution and not exceed the authority that congress has the power to do themselves, so I'

Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

2009-10-22 Thread Andrew Grosset
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40 On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of global warming. In this 4-minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty that

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
On the way home tonight, I heard an intersting commentary from a secular Jew. He was talking about the miracles that were performed in order for Moses to free the Jews from the egyptians. Yet when it came to ww2 and the concentration camps, no miracles were seen. Yet the concentration camp

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> MoJo wrote: > I've never found science and religion to be in conflict myself. My point was more that when most people hear "fundamentalist Christian" they don't think "primarily searches for personal truth". If they did, then I'd be considered a fundamentalist Christian. Thus clearly the do-a

Re: The sam-bot

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
yes it looks like the Republicans and the conservative wingnuts have been following that for a long time. It seems to me that it started with the Bush 2000 election with the attacks on Gore and went downhill from there. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Haven't you heard? M

RDRAM PC800 modules

2009-10-22 Thread Robert Munn
Wondering if anyone has some RDRAM sitting around. I have an old Dell Precision 340 that needs an upgrade, but retail pricing on this old memory is hideous- might as well buy a new computer. I need wither 4x256MB, 2x512 MB, or 4x512 MB ECC modules. They come up once in awhile on eBay, but if someo

Re: The sam-bot

2009-10-22 Thread Robert Munn
Haven't you heard? Mean-spiritedness is the new liberalism. Rahm Emanuel said so. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You guys are really entertaining. > > There is no difference, besides what side of an issue they stand on, > between posts from Sam or Larry or Dana. > > ~

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread Raymond Camden
I don't know - if prayer means trying to speak to a God (or Goddess) it does NOT imply anyone is listening. Therefore, she did pray, and the prayer DID diffuse the situation. Technically I think it's right. ;) On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:0

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > No news story here. Unless it's an entry in the "How to get oneself killed > there for not actually commiting suicide." handbook. > No news story? This is an incredible story. Robber's don't just chan

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM, G Money wrote: > > What's the irresponsible part.? The title? > > This woman is entitled to her (wrong) opinion that God somehow intervened. > They are just recounting her story...and it IS an extraordinary story. > the story is wrong on so many fronts...

Re: since we're riffing on religion

2009-10-22 Thread G Money
Oh man...that's hilarious. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > this one is guaranteed to offend: > > http://www.lyonsmorris.com/test/Priest-Off1.wmv > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > -- > Th

since we're riffing on religion

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
this one is guaranteed to offend: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/test/Priest-Off1.wmv -- Larry C. Lyons web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons -- The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. - B. F. Skinner - ~~

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I mean, if you strip away all the BS and look at what he actually said (or >more accurately, what words are attributed to him)...it makes for a pretty >good message. You can sum up his message pretty succinctly: "Be a good >person." Ah, but you missed an important one. The MOST important law acc

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> I'm just going by what Jesus called them. Huh? Jesus never used the word "Christian" at all. > Both Thomas and John were apostles and thus both "Christian". Judas was also an apostle but I don't think you would call him a Christian. > I don't believe that, Thomas didn't believe it, and

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I think that depends on how big we consider our "group" to be. If you were in Nazi era Germany and were watching Jews getting slaughtered, would you be more apt to identify with the Jews or the Nazi's? Same goes for Darfur. We tend to identify with the underdog. We become a group with

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Its been years so I'll have to dig up the information again. But the >point is that I think it can be shown that morality is strongly >related to group survival. What is unique with humans though is that we show it to others *outside* our group. We care about people being killed in Darfur or

Very cool web design site

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
http://haystack.com It's a place where you can browse design firms and see their work. I like just looking at the designs to see what I can integrate into my own designs. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with some

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > The journalist was giving all the credit of the crime not happening to > the "Power of Prayer".  I'm fine with the woman believing what she > wants to about the role of prayer.  It's when the journalist also > plays into it reporting it

Re: I thought this was funny

2009-10-22 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.holytaco.com/flowchart-determine-what-religion-you-should-follow > > > Goes with the bacon flow chart perfectly! ~| Want

I thought this was funny

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
http://www.holytaco.com/flowchart-determine-what-religion-you-should-follow ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffus

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
The journalist was giving all the credit of the crime not happening to the "Power of Prayer". I'm fine with the woman believing what she wants to about the role of prayer. It's when the journalist also plays into it reporting it as fact that I have a problem. On Oct 22, 2009, at 11:00 AM

Re: irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread G Money
What's the irresponsible part.? The title? This woman is entitled to her (wrong) opinion that God somehow intervened. They are just recounting her story...and it IS an extraordinary story. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So I'm w

irresponsible journalism

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
So I'm watching GMA this morning when a story comes on titled "The Power of Prayer". Basically this woman talks about how this man came into a check cashing business to rob it. He pulls a gun. She says she's afraid, starts crying and praying. Interspersed with the prayer she tells the

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > G Money is a damn hippy > > ;) > > Jesus certainly was. He probably listened to the Dead. Of course, back then, the Grateful Dead had only just started touring :) -- Show a little faith there's magic i

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its very difficult to take care of people with this condition these days. Constant care is necessary. I don't think that elephants could do that degree of care, feeding the person, cleaning him up regularly, preventing bedsores etc. As for the bible, well as an accurate history or scientific text

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
G Money is a damn hippy ;) On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:16 AM, G Money wrote: > > I would suggest looking only at what Jesus actually said (crazy, I > know). > > "Love your neighbor" > "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" > "Turn the other cheek" > "Whatever you do to the least of my br

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
This behavior has been documented in elephants. plus, neolithic era humans wouldn't really be considered humans in biblical terms would they? Therefore they'd fall under the natural "morality" column. On Oct 22, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > How about consistently protecti

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > I'm just going by what Jesus called them. > > Both Thomas and John were apostles and thus both "Christian". But one > core difference is pretty clear: when John says "though Jesus Christ" > what he means is that you personally are nothing wit

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mary Jo wrote: > Well, one can call themselves anything they wish, but that doesn't > necessarily make it accurate. I'm just going by what Jesus called them. Both Thomas and John were apostles and thus both "Christian". But one core difference is pretty clear: when John says "though Jesus Ch

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
When I read Lewis's description of hell I had thought it sounded interesting, much more interesting than spending an eternity wearing a white robe and singing hymns all the time. It reminds me of Robert Bloch's Hell Bound Train actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Hell-Bound_Train On Thu,

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Don't tell that to any biblical literalist, they'll most likely want to burn you at the stake. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >>Well, yes and no. Why the heck even create the apple and the snake in the >>first place? > > Well, many of us don't really believe this is a

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not going along with the thread hijack, no matter how tempting... On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Or the Oval Office. > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: >> >> I had always thought if you talked to god and he answered directly you >> were a ca

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
How about consistently protecting a handicapped member of the group throughout that person's life? Even to the point of having a full time caretaker almost. I don't know of any social animals that do that. There's evidence that this goes way back, at least the Neolithic era. Recently there was a

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
No nature is not immoral, its amoral Morality (ethics etc) is a human construct. As for whether morality and ethics in people can be explained by evolution, I'd say yes. Its moral not to kill your neighbour etc. Groups with these moral prohibitions tend to survive longer and pass their genes on.

Re: Could a mac user with Safari check a page for me please?

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Any time. You'll get my bill in the morning. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Thanks Larry. JJ helped me figure it out. Looks like the new hosting company > didn't install the intermediate certs, even though I provided them all to > them. It seems to only be a problem wi

Re: Could a mac user with Safari check a page for me please?

2009-10-22 Thread Michael Grant
Thanks Larry. JJ helped me figure it out. Looks like the new hosting company didn't install the intermediate certs, even though I provided them all to them. It seems to only be a problem with Safari on Mac. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > btw firefox on my macbook work

Re: Could a mac user with Safari check a page for me please?

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
btw firefox on my macbook works fine with this site. larry On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > It seems  stuck on "Compiling Boston Red Sox Events" > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Michael Grant wrote: >> >> Could someone go here: >> http://www.cheappremiumtickets.com/

Re: Could a mac user with Safari check a page for me please?

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It seems stuck on "Compiling Boston Red Sox Events" On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Could someone go here: > http://www.cheappremiumtickets.com/MLB/Boston_Red_Sox_Tickets.cfm > > And tell me if you get event results or if it just stays stuck on "Compiling > Boston Red

In case anyone in Raleigh is interested

2009-10-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I just received this note about a couple of ferrets at the humane society in Raleigh NC: Subject: Pair up for adoption in Raleigh, North Carolina SPCA Lost and Found (in a box): Male - Dark-Eyed-White, est. 1yr Female - Silver, est. 1yr Both are healthy, happy, and playful. Fill out an appli