End of all London

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
While going through my download directory to read the latest issue of Veritas (a Korean manga), I found the an anime music video which I thought was fantastic and saved off of youtube. The video is the trailer from a game called Hellgate: London, which looks cool. The music is Nightwish's "end of

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
No idea? You mean there's a major event happening between the US and Israel going on with words like rebuke, demand, condemn, and summon being thrown around and you haven't heard any of it? Here are some links which I've limited to US sources and even then mainly to the WP. Choose your source of p

Re: Eyjafjallajokull

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35988484/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001 Like earthquakes, predicting the timing of volcanic eruptions is an imprecise science. An eruption at the Katla volcano could be disastrous, however — both for Iceland and other nations. Iceland's Laki volcano erup

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Stroz
I have never been under the delusion that I am 'normal folk' On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Sam wrote: > > Interesting, when Bush had a $200 billion deficit you normal folk were > in an uproar. Now that Obama has hocked our country to the tune of $4 > trillion in a little over a year for no jo

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-22 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
There's more but I love the self-contradiction shown in this one: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125006799 "Clinton has demanded that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is to address the same group later Monday and see Obama on Tuesday, move to restore trust and

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-22 Thread Maureen
I really have no idea what you're talking about here. Again please - links? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > moved from the Milgram thread as being off topic to that thread. > > Just look in the news where a simple diplomatic mistake, quickly > apologized for (and ac

Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
moved from the Milgram thread as being off topic to that thread. Just look in the news where a simple diplomatic mistake, quickly apologized for (and accepted) has been spun out into a 'command' from the US to perform (or not perform) an action in a city who's status was part of negotiations betw

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Maureen
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > And before people jump in and say Bush in response to my mention of > people in power going crazy, I can point to the total debacle that > Obama is making of the Middle East in response. Links? ~~~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_111309/content/01125115.guest.html On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Vivec wrote: > > What's so special about costa Rica? > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something th

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Interesting, when Bush had a $200 billion deficit you normal folk were in an uproar. Now that Obama has hocked our country to the tune of $4 trillion in a little over a year for no jobs and little health care benefit, you so-called normal folk call anyone that questions it the fringe nutters. I'm

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I think that the Standford prison experiment is a perfect example of the flip side of Milgram. It's the self fulfilling prophecy of people in power to believe they are right, correct, and even better than those that they 'control'. "I'm in power so I must be right which is why I'm in power and I s

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Friend of mine in Revelstoke BC did tell me that after 2004 a lot of Americans bought these huge houses in the middle of the Cascades near town. So hey why not. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > That has as much likelihood of happening as all the 'celebrities' who > threate

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
and jeasus forgives you sam. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Sam wrote: > > You are a true peace of shit to think you are better than what you > refer to as accidents of birth. It's assholes like you that give my > country a bad name. > > Just remember, the reason you like this country so much

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Actually that was Scott. You all should do what I do and just read and reply to the list online. Since it marks everyone *private* and hardly anyone signs their posts, I usually have no idea who I'm replying to. Makes it more interesting in some ways. ~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
It's rich and has a coast? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Vivec wrote: > > What's so special about costa Rica? > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mai

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Nto so much the propaganda, but the vocal minority that is way, way out on the right. :D On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > They still do, you're just reading the propaganda > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Vivec wrote: >> >> "We followed the most radical voices in the party an

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
A bit odd how I started getting spam from myself a couple of days after you asked me to help you with an important problem off list and then never responded. Coincidence I'm sure. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Dana wrote: > > who knows what Sam is thinking. Google has decided that he is spam

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
We determined last year on this list she could have received insulin so adding a new way to get it doesn't help someone that can put forth the effort to find it. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Vivec wrote: > > She wouldn't have been able to get the insulin under this bill? > > On 22 March 201

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
1. two coasts = good surfing year round 2. stable democracy 3. decent economy I would check out T & T, but you keep going on about how dangerous it is :-( On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Vivec wrote: > > What's so special about costa Rica? ~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Dana
who knows what Sam is thinking. Google has decided that he is spam and I agree so I have not argued the point. Perhaps his point is that some provisions don't take effect immediately. That's a problem, but at least they take effect eventually, and eventually we come to a place where this will not

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Vivec
What's so special about costa Rica? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/m

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
The wars have cost us in people- injuries, deaths, trauma. That's the big cost of the war to Americans. Money-wise, we've spent almost a trillion dollars so far: http://costofwar.com/ Throw in the wild-eyed multi-trillion dollars estimates if you like. Say $5 trillion. It is still a discrete cos

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Vivec
She wouldn't have been able to get the insulin under this bill? On 22 March 2010 17:17, Sam wrote: > > Sorry but this bill wouldn't have saved her either. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want?

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Dana
congratulations on the not smoking thing. I know you have tried before. It's probably the most important that you maintain that. Do you still get the odd craving. I sometimes did really hard for about six months afterwards. You want to avoid feeling so deprived you will lapse on the smoking AND th

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Sorry but this bill wouldn't have saved her either. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Dana wrote: >> Look at my friend Cathi, who died for lack of an insulin supply. I > *know* she was in the hospital four or five times for a diabetic come, > and I suspect more. How much more than then insulin di

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
They still do, you're just reading the propaganda On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Vivec wrote: > > "We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they > led us to abject and irreversible defeat. > > There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But t

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
When did you get to make the rules? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Dana wrote: > > Robert, I love you and all, but your support for the Bush wars removes > any moral authority you may have had to complain about deficits. > Sorry. ~~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
I think I understand it better than you. That's what I tihink On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > That is basically what I was getting at Sam. If you think its the > greatest thing to ever happen or if you think the country as we know > it is over, well, then you don't unders

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Dana
I agree. I kind of unplugged from the process a while back because I found it distasteful, but yet. I think we needed to have something pass, and for the sky not to fall. I am cautiously hopeful. Washington has a way of pulling clouds out of silver lining, but it has still initiated programs that

RE: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott
> Yeah, and I thought that was all taken out of context > anyways. He said he'd go out of the country for > heathcare, not leave it entirely. For those that want to hear it, Huffington Post has the original full audio clip (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/limbaugh-ill-leave-us-if_n_4915

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
The loose weight is the easiest to shake off. It is the tight weight that is a bitch. And congrats on not smoking :) On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Maureen wrote: > > You could make your messages skinnier by spelling lose correctly. > Lose = opposite of gain > Loose = opposite of tight. > > M

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Ray Champagne
Yeah, and I thought that was all taken out of context anyways. He said he'd go out of the country for heathcare, not leave it entirely. Can't stand the man's viewpoints, but this is just another example of the crazy way things get polarized nowadays. So sick of that stuff. On Mon, Mar 22, 20

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Stroz
That has as much likelihood of happening as all the 'celebrities' who threatened to leave if Bush won a second term. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Hey..didn't Rush Limbaugh say he was leaving the country if the healthcare > reform passed? > > > ~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Vivec
Hey..didn't Rush Limbaugh say he was leaving the country if the healthcare reform passed? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://w

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Vivec
"We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat. There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into su

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Dana
Robert, I love you and all, but your support for the Bush wars removes any moral authority you may have had to complain about deficits. Sorry. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > No one really knows what this bill is going to do. Do seniors > understand that it might mean the

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Vivec
*shivers in corner* sam is scaring mes... (0_0) On 22 March 2010 16:19, Sam wrote: > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http:/

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Stroz
That is basically what I was getting at Sam. If you think its the greatest thing to ever happen or if you think the country as we know it is over, well, then you don't understand what just happened. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > Maybe it's the idiotic douche bags that don't und

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Actually that was Scott. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > pot meet kettle. > > I wasn't the one who started off by using the phrase "idiotic douche bags" > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Why do you always take the lowest road. Nothing you say is ev

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
pot meet kettle. I wasn't the one who started off by using the phrase "idiotic douche bags" On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Sam wrote: > > Why do you always take the lowest road. Nothing you say is even true > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> yes right. Only in y

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Maureen
You could make your messages skinnier by spelling lose correctly. Lose = opposite of gain Loose = opposite of tight. My all time pet peeve in Internet postings. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Dr. Who wrote: > > so i know i need to loose weight

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
You are a true peace of shit to think you are better than what you refer to as accidents of birth. It's assholes like you that give my country a bad name. Just remember, the reason you like this country so much is because all us accidents of birth make it great. Otherwise you'd still be in Canada

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Every one wants health care reform, we just don;t want this one. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The question of whether a majority of Americans opposed it depends on > how you ask the question. When polled on their support of the items it > contains, people were overwh

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
3 months is very good. Most cessation studies have found that if the person makes it to 2 months without smoking, they've effectively quit permanently. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > BTW, good work on the no smoking thing.  3 months is a lifetime!  Good on > ya, and go

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Why do you always take the lowest road. Nothing you say is even true On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > yes right. Only in your dreams. If you think its so bad why not follow > your fearless leader Limpblob - who has stated he will move to Costa > Rica. Interestingly enou

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The CBO numbers aren't cooked. They are based on the bill as written. > However, I agree with critics who say that some things that are in > there, like decreases in Medicare payments in future years, as > unlikely to go through in reality

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I wonder how they would compare against standard treatments, or different psychological treatments for chronic pain control. Personally I think that any new drug should be shown to be significantly better than currently existing treatments before being accepted. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM, R

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Judah, You may want to talk with a psychologist that specializes in pain. There are a lot of new methods and techniques available that are very effective in reducing chronic pain. And by and large its covered by insurance. larry On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Unfortu

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It has a lot more credibility than your heros, Beck and Limpblob. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Sam wrote: > > That was a very scientific study, thanks for all of those the valuable facts. > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: >> >> I see you consider 45,000 American

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Try again. I am here legally and am married to a US citizen, and the father of another. I probably have a better right to be here than most. I chose to be in the US, rather I was asked to come here. It was my decision to stay and make a good life here. Not like many who are here just because of an

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread morgan l
Regrettably, he recanted the next day, saying he meant to say he'd go to Costa Rica for health care. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > yes right. Only in your dreams. If you think its so bad why not follow > your fearless leader Limpblob - who has stated he will move to

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Ray Champagne
BTW, good work on the no smoking thing. 3 months is a lifetime! Good on ya, and good that you'll be around to see your little girl go to college/get married/etc. Been 5 months nicotine free myself. Doesn't feel all that great all the time, but it does feel very empowering after 17 years of pol

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
The question of whether a majority of Americans opposed it depends on how you ask the question. When polled on their support of the items it contains, people were overwhelmingly for all of them. That tends to be true of most polling however. People like the ideas but don't care for the process. A

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
a perfect example of the decline of reasoned discourse in this country. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > Maybe it's the idiotic douche bags that don't understand the > ramifications of what just happened. > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> Agreed Just

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
yes right. Only in your dreams. If you think its so bad why not follow your fearless leader Limpblob - who has stated he will move to Costa Rica. Interestingly enough it has national health care. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > It's not health care reform, it's a take over of ins

Re: monitoring software

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think that's the same arguments used by those people in that French reality game show... On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > I'm their IT consultant, they can never monitor me. And why should I not > work for them? A paycheck is a paycheck. > > -Original Message- >

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Still your argument doesn't exactly explain the results of the Stanford Prison Experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment But I have to disagree. it provides a very good explanation of the willing participation in the Holocaust, Rwanda, various riots etc. On Mon, Mar 22,

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
And a majority of Americans oppose it yet only the Republicans listened. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > More than a couple of Democrats voted against it too. > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >> I, and others, disagree that it will mean the effective end of >> Medicare coverage. That includes the AMA which endorsed the measure >> and certainly has a track record of not supporting

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > It is 32 million, not 12 million, Only 12 million want it but can't afford it. > and the bill costs 900 million over > 10 years, not 2 trillion, and is forecast to reduce the deficit, not > increase it. I'm talking about real costs not p

Re: monitoring software

2010-03-22 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > I'm their IT consultant, they can never monitor me. And why should I not > work for them? A paycheck is a paycheck. Karma. -Cameron ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion communit

Re: monitoring software

2010-03-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
When I used to work for UPS they had some software that installed on the pc and silently took screenshots every 30 seconds or so. I can't remember the name of it though. You never knew it was there though. On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Scott Raley wrote: > > I'm their IT consultant, they ca

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Put your blinders back on, nothing to see here On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >> These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine >> of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism > > Thank you Glenn Beck. > > We now return to our regularly sch

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Vivec wrote: > Ultimately this means less Americans will die due to not being able to > afford health care. This remains to be seen, actually. > I still don't understand why this was such a hard fight > to have passed, the principle seems obvious. Because in Am

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I, and others, disagree that it will mean the effective end of > Medicare coverage. That includes the AMA which endorsed the measure > and certainly has a track record of not supporting efforts that would > make it so that doctors wouldn't

RE: monitoring software

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Raley
I'm their IT consultant, they can never monitor me. And why should I not work for them? A paycheck is a paycheck. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: monitoring software On Mon, Mar 22

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
It is 32 million, not 12 million, and the bill costs 900 million over 10 years, not 2 trillion, and is forecast to reduce the deficit, not increase it. And the GOP did not try and fix Social Security, they tried to eliminate it. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Sam wrote: > > Nope, When the GO

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Oh, I completely agree on the research issue. And there is a wide variety of cannabis that has drastically different physiological effects. I know for myself, for instance, back when I did consume, that I was much more "functional" on sativas than indicas. I've thought about getting a card here in

Re: monitoring software

2010-03-22 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Scott Raley wrote: > Anyone have any monitoring/timing software that I can install on a  machine > and it will keep track of how long I was using an application or it was > running in the background on a machine?  Customer doesn't want standard > monitoring/paren

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine > of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism Thank you Glenn Beck. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming. ~| Want to reach the Co

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Nope, When the GOP tried to fix it we were told it wasn't a problem. Now add two trillion for health care for 12 million people. The war was bi-partition. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> You do realize we can't pay social sec

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I think there's a certain suspension of disbelief here. Everyone knows wrestling is fake but we still react to it as if it was real (at least a lot of people do if you don't personally). The same could applies in these experiments. There's a certain trust associated with authority figures that we

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Cameron Childress
Buy new pants, you won't lose it in 10 days. Trying to lose it in 10 days is just setting yourself up for failure and being uncomfortable in your clothes at a new job is not a good thing. Then start working on lifestyle changes (like Erika says) to lose it on a reasonable schedule. -Cameron On

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
Have you looked at research on the topic of chronic pain treatment using cannabinoids? Take a look at this paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2503660/ There is promise in both marijuana and marijuana-derived treatments like Sativex. An important caveat- some research has demonst

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
That would depend on what you mean by "much longer". The current projections have it solvent through 2037 on the short side or 2041 on the long side. Of course, we definitely need to fix it, but it isn't like the fund will go to insolvency next year or something. And, curiously enough, there are p

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
I, and others, disagree that it will mean the effective end of Medicare coverage. That includes the AMA which endorsed the measure and certainly has a track record of not supporting efforts that would make it so that doctors wouldn't be able to see their Medicare patients. And yes, I do believe t

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread denstar
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Sam wrote: > > You do realize we can't pay social security much longer? Hasn't that been the case for freaking years? Whyfore is it fine to run on debt for War, but not for Health? :den -- It is hard to contend against one's heart's desire; for whatever it wis

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
The fatal flaw with a lot of these studies is determining whether the subject *really* believed that they were going to cause serious harm and/or death to the other person. Killing someone is illegal therefore it is reasonable to believe that a game show (which will be shown on television) would n

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
You do realize we can't pay social security much longer? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I have so-so feelings about the bill itself. I don't think it goes far > enough in a number of areas (malpractice reform amongst them) and I'm > unhappy about the promised executive

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
No one really knows what this bill is going to do. Do seniors understand that it might mean the effective end of Medicare coverage? After all, what good is Medicare if you can't find a doctor that will accept it? Do young people understand that they will bear the cost of enacting this bill by bein

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Unfortunately marijuana doesn't help me with chronic pain in a way that is useful. It might help in the short term but I can't really do much else functionally, so I'm stuck with tylenol and ibuprofen and pharmaceuticals that help alleviate my symptoms while still enabling me to work productively,

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
That was a very scientific study, thanks for all of those the valuable facts. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I see you consider 45,000 Americans are very few. > (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/). > > That is a very callous attitude, it g

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Judah McAuley
I have so-so feelings about the bill itself. I don't think it goes far enough in a number of areas (malpractice reform amongst them) and I'm unhappy about the promised executive order on federal funding of abortion. And I'm not going to count my eggs until the Senate actually passes the reconcilia

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
oh, and unlike pretty much every over the counter drug in your medicine cabinet, you can't overdose and die from marijuana. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > If you live in California or a number of other states you can get a > doctor's recommendation for medical marijuana,

Re: Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Given that the Milgram experiment is so basic. I'm still surprised, or rather disappointed that people still fall for this. I recently read that the classic Migram study was replicated, with similar results. What's really amazing about those results is that the students who participated had recent

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Munn
If you live in California or a number of other states you can get a doctor's recommendation for medical marijuana, and in some of those states you can grow your own, meaning you have a very low cost medicine available to you for any number of ailments, including chronic pain. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread denstar
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > It's not health care reform, it's a take over of insurance companyies > Chavez style. Did you learn nothing about this process? > > Gingrich said it well: Rabble rabble rabble! Entertainment! Yay! That's what /really/ matters, right? :den --

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
I'm betting it is >> >> Maybe it's the idiotic douche bags that don't understand the >> ramifications of what just happened. >> > > Maybe! > > But..uh...probably not. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something th

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread G Money
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > Maybe it's the idiotic douche bags that don't understand the > ramifications of what just happened. > Maybe! But..uh...probably not. -- We're riding out tonight To case the promised land ~~~

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > If we're lucky... That's nice coming form a guest. Enjoy your stay here. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
Maybe it's the idiotic douche bags that don't understand the ramifications of what just happened. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Agreed Justin. I do not look at this like it is the greatest thing > that has ever happend, nor do I view it as the end of our country as > w

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I'm cautiously optimistic about health insurance reform. There are some >parts that I like and some that I don't like. I hear people talk about this >like it's the end of the world though. To those I would simply say this: >life will go on. Yup, exactly. It certainly is myopic to think that

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
It's not health care reform, it's a take over of insurance companyies Chavez style. Did you learn nothing about this process? Gingrich said it well: This will not stand. No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fig

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Sam
The country was just hocked, our status as a world leader ended last night. We weak and bankrupt. We might as well join the EU now, if they'll take us. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > > I'm cautiously optimistic about health insurance reform.  There are some > parts that

Milgram - the TV show

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I Love Milgram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). No one is better at showing humanity at it's best, subjugating itself to those in 'authority'. But his experiments are usually seen as 'ethically challenging', making repeats problematic. Enter the french. One of their state run TV

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If we're lucky... Actually I think that this bill will make this country far more competitive. Fewer corporations will have the incentive to leave the country because of insurance. A great example is the recent shutdown of the last sardine cannery in the US (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto

Re: pants

2010-03-22 Thread Erika L. Rich
So are there no lifestyle changes you can make now? 1 less soda a day? 1 less sweet? half a portion size? I mean there might be a few changes you can make right away without depriving yourself full stop ... On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Dr. Who wrote: > > so i know i need to loose weight

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> Actually it's way off mark, kind of stupid actually, but I don't want > to talk about it while mourning the end of the greatest country ever Wow, well anyone that thinks passing health care reform is the "end" has already bought into the far right rhetoric too much to see clearly. Anyone that

Re: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Agreed Justin. I do not look at this like it is the greatest thing that has ever happend, nor do I view it as the end of our country as we knew it. (only the idiotic douche bags on the far ends of the political spectrum would think either of those). On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Justin Scott

RE: Health Reform passed!

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott
> Oh, and the huge profit that hospital corporation > paid to their shareholders. The moral of the story: Buy stock in hospitals and drug companies and hope that the dividends earned will cover your health expenses. ;) -Justin

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