Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Munn
Sure. It isn't just the R & D staff, it's the entire business. The dream scenario for these folks is to have top management, local/regional/national field people for Marketing and Sales, minimal internal support staff (accounting, etc), and the bulk of the workers located somewhere else, either as

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Munn
Everyone please understand that this debate is irrelevant. Our structural obligations, combined with our debt, are going to crush our economy. And it is going to happen a lot sooner than anyone is predicting. There is a global war underway right now, being fought with conventional and non-conventi

RE:_Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Bu i

2011-05-16 Thread Eric Roberts
It's because they can use it to rationalize their philosophy of being self-centered, selfish, greedy assholes. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 04:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can’t Be Shrugged as Don

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
Exactly right if you kept putting it on your credit card for 50 years. There's hope for you yet. . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > That's like saying since you told your wife you should sign up for a > $100 of cable per month that you've spent $60,000. > ~

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-will-rise-to-90-of-gdp/ The federal public debt, which was $6.3 trillion ($56,000 per household) when Mr. Obama entered office amid an economic crisis, totals $8.2 trillion ($72,000 per household) today, and it’s headed toward

Re: Office Open House

2011-05-16 Thread Medic
So happy for you. So jealous at the same time. So not trying to compare my life to yours. So failing. So long. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Finally had our Open House party for the new office. We had a > photographer come shoot it, and I uploaded the pics last

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Spin it however you want, Obama signed the bill into law that will > spend $14 trillion more than we'll take in. That's like saying since you told your wife you should sign up for a $100 of cable per month that you've spent $60,000. If that's your standard then President Washingt

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert Munn wrote: > > BS. I have had lots of managers in the corporate world tell me that > outsourcing is almost entirely about labor arbitrage because that's where > the money is. Sure. That's what they told you. Now ask them to open their books and see how it all worked out. The correct a

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Sam wrote: > > Spin it however you want, Obama signed the bill into law that will > spend $14 trillion more than we'll take in. > While we haven't spent the money yet we will owe it. It's law. > The President cannot Vito the budget, he can only suggest how we spe

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
Spin it however you want, Obama signed the bill into law that will spend $14 trillion more than we'll take in. While we haven't spent the money yet we will owe it. It's law. I'm a little shocked that in this day and age you would knock Reagan as a big spender while supporting Obama. . On Mon, M

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
That's why Ireland was so popular for tech for so many years. They even had to import workers to keep up with demand. Now it's getting too expensive so where's next? . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > BS. I have had lots of managers in the corporate world tell me that > o

Re: Office Open House

2011-05-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Vivec wrote: > Dude your office looks amazing!! :-) Thanks!!! -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=hous

Financial audits reveal top 5 mortgage companies defrauded tax payers.

2011-05-16 Thread Vivec
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/foreclosure-fraud-audit-false-claims-act_n_862686.html WASHINGTON -- A set of confidential federal audits accuse the nation’s five largest mortgage companies of defrauding taxpayers in their handling of foreclosures on homes purchased with government-backe

Re: Office Open House

2011-05-16 Thread Vivec
Dude your office looks amazing!! :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/messa

Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can’t Be Shrugged as Don ors Bui

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I don't recall saying it was super important.  I referenced other material > that said it was important.  That said, I refuse to interpret the material > that is right there before you.  I will paste it here so you can try again. > > You said: "2nd most important book".

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > Let's just drop the silliness of saying "so and so outspent others from the > past in terms of raw dollars", since that makes no sense. > > Debt, now and in the immediate future, is a huge concern. I would hope even > ardent supporters of Obama would realize that. (this one doe

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Munn
BS. I have had lots of managers in the corporate world tell me that outsourcing is almost entirely about labor arbitrage because that's where the money is. Loose environmental and employment regulations help, too, but labor costs are the big enchilada, as labor in a typical US firm makes up the si

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > All I am saying it that the market cost of outsourcing, particularly in > regards to employees, is more profitable than staying at home. > > Can I assume you disagree? > I'm not sure what you mean by "market cost" but yes, in general I disagree, depending on who, what, wh

Re: Music Monday

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Thanks for the tip. I picked it up. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I know we usually do new music on Tuesday, but for those of you who > like country or acoustic music, Matraca Berg's new album Dreaming > Fields is available today only on Amazon's Daily Deal for $2.99 > > O

Office Open House

2011-05-16 Thread Cameron Childress
Finally had our Open House party for the new office. We had a photographer come shoot it, and I uploaded the pics last week. Thought I would share... http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.215906328428610.58778.206714572681119 -Cameron (What can I say... some people have babies - I have an

Music Monday

2011-05-16 Thread Maureen
I know we usually do new music on Tuesday, but for those of you who like country or acoustic music, Matraca Berg's new album Dreaming Fields is available today only on Amazon's Daily Deal for $2.99 One of the best singer/songwriter albums that I've heard in a while. http://www.amazon.com/The-Dre

Treasury to tap pensions to help fund government

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Treasury to tap pensions to help fund government The Obama administration will begin to tap federal retiree programs to help fund operations after the government lost its ability Monday to borrow more money from the public, adding urgency to efforts in Washington to fashion a compromise over the

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Justice David:* "We believe a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence" *Hmmm. The old "modern" fourth amendment jurisprudence. Very much like the living and breathing document crowd.* ** *J -

Holy Cow! librarians replaced by good architecture and robots at new library

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
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Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
BTW, current law is a cop can walk up and beat the crap out of you then charge you with resisting arrest. They don't even need an initial charge that you were resisting. Could be blocking a punch by an officer for all the courts care. . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Jacob wrote: > > Have t

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
If an officer asks you to enter your home and you say yes then it's a legal search. If you say no and he kicks in the door do you just pull down your pants and grab your ankles? With this new law they don't even have to ask, they are free to enter any home anytime. No announcements necessary. Sc

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Jacob
Have to be careful when resisting an illegal detention/arrest/search etc... If the detention/arrest/search is illegal, it wont be determined until probably months down the line in the courts. That decision wont be made while the police are at your door step. You may think it is illegal, but the

RE: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Eric Roberts
A misanthropic fiction author that the current Republican party essentially bases is form of fascism off of... -Original Message- From: Ras Tafari [mailto:rastaf...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 09:20 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Do

Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can’t Be Shrugged as Don ors Buil

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So how about a little help explaining it to us dense folk: 'Rand's books are super important because ..'" I don't recall saying it was super important. I referenced other material that said it was important. That said, I refuse to interpret the material that is right there before you. I will

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread G Money
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Sam wrote: > > For the purpose of the statement that Obama has spent more than all > other presidents combined? Yes. > > As for the reason I made that comment, GG used 2008 articles to state > Bush was the biggest spender. I was just updating his outdated point

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
For the purpose of the statement that Obama has spent more than all other presidents combined? Yes. As for the reason I made that comment, GG used 2008 articles to state Bush was the biggest spender. I was just updating his outdated point. Since Obama has already spent, in the future and without

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Mr. Obama's $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- comb

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Maureen wrote: > >  You aren't very precise in your use of language. Proposed spending > over 10 years is not the same as having actually spent that money. > Obama will not even be in office in ten years, so he will hardly have > control over what is being spent.

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread G Money
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Sam wrote: > > 1946 was $264 Billion > > You need a lot of years like that to reach $14 trillion > Are you seriously comparing a dollar from 1946 to a dollar in 2011 ~| Order the Adobe Co

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
Exactly. So look it up. . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > G Money wrote: >> >> I believe our debt as a percentage of our GDP was higher around world war 2 >> than it is now. >> > > Yes, Sam has no facts around what he's saying so he's dodging the questions. > > Of cours

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
1946 was $264 Billion You need a lot of years like that to reach $14 trillion . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM, G Money wrote: > > I believe our debt as a percentage of our GDP was higher around world war 2 > than it is now. > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Awe, you'

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Maureen
You aren't very precise in your use of language. Proposed spending over 10 years is not the same as having actually spent that money. Obama will not even be in office in ten years, so he will hardly have control over what is being spent. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Sam wrote: > > Awe, you'

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I'm assuming you wouldn't agree with that, so, to prove your point, why don't you detail out those market infrastructure costs you think are legitimate and then tie them to a broader fiscal policy and explain how that would preserve markets and thus grow wealth" Assume all you want. All I am sa

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"She's an author who wrote some fantasy books. For me the worlds and story lines she creates are mediocre, but the worst part is the writing is slow and massively tedious. If you enjoy listening to 2 people discuss boardroom politics for hours on end you'll love Atlas Shrugged." It is long and

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > I believe our debt as a percentage of our GDP was higher around world war 2 > than it is now. > Yes, Sam has no facts around what he's saying so he's dodging the questions. Of course all of this data is freely available from the CBO. ~

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread G Money
I believe our debt as a percentage of our GDP was higher around world war 2 than it is now. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Sam wrote: > > Awe, you're upset. > > I'll give you another hint. > BamBam is adding $14 trillion to the deficit over than next 10 years. > Add up all the trillions that

Re: [politics] Charting American Exceptionalism...

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
Awe, you're upset. I'll give you another hint. BamBam is adding $14 trillion to the deficit over than next 10 years. Add up all the trillions that all the other presidents left as debt and see if it's higher than 14. . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >>

Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can’t Be Shrugged as Don ors Build

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Important how? " > > Check the link.  I can't read for you. > > While you may put credence in current reviews, I certainly don't.  Time is a > better measure of importance. > I read it all. I didn't get any of the "important" you're talking about at all. What I did get

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Let's take an example from the airline industry, and then you explain how > and where government interference is causing unprofitability at home:" > > No.  Let's not take your example. It misses the whole point. > Ok, let's take all that stuff which I'll call "market inf

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Ras Tafari
wow, i fell asleep reading that. so yeah, no. lol On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Ras Tafari wrote: >> >> who is ayn rand anyway?  should i care? >> > > She's an author who wrote some fantasy books.  For me the worlds and > story lines she creates are mediocre, but the w

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Ras Tafari wrote: > > who is ayn rand anyway?  should i care? > She's an author who wrote some fantasy books. For me the worlds and story lines she creates are mediocre, but the worst part is the writing is slow and massively tedious. If you enjoy listening to 2 people discuss boardroom politi

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Ras Tafari
who is ayn rand anyway? should i care? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > what happens to some of these subject lines ... ??? > > Michael? > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Erika L. Rich
what happens to some of these subject lines ... ??? Michael? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Maureen
I have spared my brain by never even attempting to read the Left Behind series. Just hearing my fundy relatives gush about it was bad enough. I've spent many years studying theology of various stripes, and have read hundreds of books on all the different traditions, but I have deliberately avoid

Re: @sam why big business does NOT equal more jobs/revenue

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Let's take an example from the airline industry, and then you explain how and where government interference is causing unprofitability at home:" No. Let's not take your example. It misses the whole point. Employers have to contribute to social security above and beyond what the employees contr

Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can’t Be Shrugged as Don ors Build_

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Important how? " Check the link. I can't read for you. "Atlas Shrugged received largely negative reviews after its 1957 publication" While you may put credence in current reviews, I certainly don't. Time is a better measure of importance. J - Human freedom is the first wish of our heart,

RE: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Eric Roberts
No worst tripe ever goes to Left Behind...though the spoof, Right Behind, was totally hilarious. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 02:42 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

RE: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually the books were not too bad (I have definitely read a lot better)...movie really sucked though. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:41 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_

RE:_Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_C

2011-05-16 Thread Eric Roberts
That was a great quote hehehe... -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:32 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Schools Find Ayn Rand Can't Be Shrugged as Don ors Build C Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I guess that makes it even more impres

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The expression 'know your enemy' comes to mind." I don't consider Hubbard an enemy. I have read Alinsky, Marx and Engles, Al Gore, and so on. Hubbard is a non-factor. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Maureen
Yeah, true. But you can know the evils of what Hubbard left behind without slogging through his turgid prose. It is truly the worst I've ever read. A friend gave me a copy of a Hubbard book. I attempted to read it. Bad mistake. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Medic wrote: > > The expressio

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Medic
The expression "know your enemy" comes to mind. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Maureen wrote: > > No one should be subjected to reading L. Ron Hubbard. Worst tripe ever. > > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > > > Sounds like you need to read more... > > > > -Orig

Re: _Schools_Find_Ayn_Rand_Can't_Be_Shrugged_as_Don__ors_Buil d_

2011-05-16 Thread Maureen
No one should be subjected to reading L. Ron Hubbard. Worst tripe ever. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Sounds like you need to read more... > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 09:33 PM > To: cf-c