Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "It is a state university. I'm starting to think you don't understand what > a state university is. It is a public institution. The employees are public > employees. Yes, the state is in charge. It has nothing to do with left or > right lea

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Maureen
Do you have any evidence of "spending on social programs has exploded"? While I hear that line repeated constantly, usually by those on the right, I've worked extensively with both university budgets and state budgets over the last 40 years, and I've never seen evidence of it. So if you have some

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It should also be noted that those figures are not adjusted for inflation. $969 in 1980 would be $2,564 in 2010. So that would be 190% increase in inflation-adjusted dollars. Still big, obviously." Where'd you get your inflation numbers? J - We stand today at a crossroads: One path leads to d

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It is a state university. I'm starting to think you don't understand what a state university is. It is a public institution. The employees are public employees. Yes, the state is in charge. It has nothing to do with left or right leaning anything. That's how public colleges and universities work.

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "A bit of research shows that in-state resident, undergraduate tuition and >> fees for full time students in 1980-81 was $969. In 2009-10 it was $7,430." >> >> Wow, a 667% increas

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread LRS Scout
Nice. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/demotivational-posters-duck-season.jpg > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > I always say "Bang" when I see that. > > > > Duck hunting. > > > > On Tue

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "A bit of research shows that in-state resident, undergraduate tuition and > fees for full time students in 1980-81 was $969. In 2009-10 it was $7,430." > > Wow, a 667% increase without factoring in room, board, fees, and books. It does f

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/demotivational-posters-duck-season.jpg On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I always say "Bang" when I see that. > > Duck hunting. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM, GMoney wrote: > >> >> Bwahahahaha! >> >> On Tue, Jun 19

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Sam
This comedy act needs new material . On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > they leave out one obvious, giant reason, > which I provided. > and not anything approaching an honest attempt to > have an educated discussion on the matter. ~~

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I think there is no single reason, but rather a collection of reasons. Agreed. > Within Oregon, that reason can very reasonably be added to the list. Adding > it to the list does not invalidate all the other reasons on the list, > h

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "It wasn't meant to be a business. " > > Interesting.  So you are saying nonprofits shouldn't have a business model? No. I also didn't say that it is a nonprofit. State-run Universities (and land grant schools, etc) were not set up as non

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"A bit of research shows that in-state resident, undergraduate tuition and fees for full time students in 1980-81 was $969. In 2009-10 it was $7,430." Wow, a 667% increase without factoring in room, board, fees, and books. Back to one of your original points. There is a potential fallacy in wh

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It wasn't meant to be a business. " Interesting. So you are saying nonprofits shouldn't have a business model? "Hence a public university with public support for the public mission of educating the state's students. You may not like that mission but that's what it was." I don't mind. It's a

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > 30 years ago, for instance, the University of Oregon had roughly 50% > of their budget funded by the state. Today, that number is 8%. You > pit that against increasing personnel costs, inflation, capital > expenses, etc and you're guarante

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread LRS Scout
I always say "Bang" when I see that. Duck hunting. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Bwahahahaha! > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > Found the origins > > http://i.imgur.com/0XjR4.jpg > > > > . > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Ly

Re: periodontist?

2012-06-19 Thread LRS Scout
I've smoked before a tattoo before. Calms the nerves some, but doesn't really help with the pain, which is usually pretty mild anyway. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > no QUESTION. > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > I'm taking it fro

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread GMoney
Bwahahahaha! On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Sam wrote: > > Found the origins > http://i.imgur.com/0XjR4.jpg > > . > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > best photo of that I've seen is this girl who had her name tattooed on > > her shoulders, so the guy woul

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "30 years ago, for instance, the University of Oregon had roughly 50% of > their budget funded by the state." > > Sounds like a horrible business model. It wasn't meant to be a business. Hence a public university with public support for th

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Scott Stroz
Lower back tattoos == "tramp stamp" On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > >> maybe its their advertisement for some landing pad for > > > Isn't that what lower back tattoos are for? > > -Cameron > > ... > > > ~

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
Here are the reasons from the article. The first is *third party payments*. When someone other than the consumer is paying, at least temporarily, some of the bills, the customer is not very sensitive to prices. Second is *lack of information*. For markets to work effectively, buyers and sellers

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"30 years ago, for instance, the University of Oregon had roughly 50% of their budget funded by the state." Sounds like a horrible business model. Anyway, what was the tuition cost 30 years ago and what is it today? J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
the thought process is that full lips are a sign of health and youth. (as is tight and clear skin) unfortunately, if a little is good, people think a lot is better. so we are getting not-too-bright people exaggerating beyond all reasonableness. a little like the huge sneakers in bill and ted's e

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Exactly. That's been the common thread here - all ideologically pure arguments to justify limiting access, but all ignore that elephant in the room. University of Virginia is the same, the majority of the budget was paid by the state of Virginia. Now its less than 7% due to all the cut backs. Give

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Sam
Found the origins http://i.imgur.com/0XjR4.jpg . On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > best photo of that I've seen is this girl who had her name tattooed on > her shoulders, so the guy wouldn't forget it... > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Cameron Childress > wrot

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Any list that substantially mentions public universities (as this one does) but does not mention the plummeting contribution of public funding for said universities has a primary goal of blowing smoke up your ass. 30 years ago, for instance, the University of Oregon had roughly 50% of their budge

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
best photo of that I've seen is this girl who had her name tattooed on her shoulders, so the guy wouldn't forget it... On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > >> maybe its their advertisement for some landing pad for..

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > maybe its their advertisement for some landing pad for Isn't that what lower back tattoos are for? -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Sam
I thought so, maybe it was Ben Stiller http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/duck-face . On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Is there a pop star that started this...? > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> We're living in a Facebook world where all the girls want to

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Sam
Duck face! All this time I thought it was a fish face. . On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > You mean like these: > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/demotivational-posters-duckface.jpg > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/demotivat

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Vivec
It's supposed to be kissing. As in blowing a kiss...that's where the pout first came from. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: In Free Time Delivery Meals to the Homebound

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
then again, lonely and shut in, they may just need to talk. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Vivec wrote: > > they probably have bad experiences with people and talking a lot. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread GMoney
Is there a pop star that started this...? On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Sam wrote: > > We're living in a Facebook world where all the girls want to look like > the talent-less popstars. > > My niece in the UK asked me why my niece in the US always poses like a > hooker. I told her it was a

Re: In Free Time Delivery Meals to the Homebound

2012-06-19 Thread Vivec
they probably have bad experiences with people and talking a lot. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Sam
We're living in a Facebook world where all the girls want to look like the talent-less popstars. My niece in the UK asked me why my niece in the US always poses like a hooker. I told her it was a culture thing. . On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I just don't get it. Every f*

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Ras Tafari
or these. dbagging.com :) On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > if she is hot, its hot. > if she is a whale, its not. > if it looks retarded, it is. > maybe its their advertisement for some landing pad for a c*ck. > > idk. > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, GMoney wrote

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Ras Tafari
if she is hot, its hot. if she is a whale, its not. if it looks retarded, it is. maybe its their advertisement for some landing pad for a c*ck. idk. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I just don't get it. Every fing picture of two girls together at club > or out partying.

Re: When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean like these: http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/demotivational-posters-duckface.jpg http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/demotivational-posters-this-is-why.jpg http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/demotivational-posters-one-photo-two-duc

When did pouting become sexy?

2012-06-19 Thread GMoney
I just don't get it. Every fing picture of two girls together at club or out partying...and they are doing that pouty thing with their lips. Is this supposed to be sexy? When did posing like an 8 year old who didn't get her ice cream cone, become the in thing? Can someone explain this to me?

Re: periodontist?

2012-06-19 Thread Ras Tafari
no QUESTION. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I'm taking it from the opposite point. If you focus on the pain its a > lot worse. When wasted its very easy to overly focus on things. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: >> >> ive never been one to s

Re: The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Quite ideological. Just look at his affiliations: Richard Vedder directs the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, teaches economics at Ohio University, and is adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. AEI is not exactly what you can call a neutral party. One thing I did

The 12 Reasons College Costs Keep Rising

2012-06-19 Thread Cameron Childress
Interesting post in the context of conversation around the rising costs of education. http://bit.ly/MKpxDd -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/14302721

Re: periodontist?

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm taking it from the opposite point. If you focus on the pain its a lot worse. When wasted its very easy to overly focus on things. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > ive never been one to subscribe to its analgesic benefits, but i've heard > there are some strains that ar

In Free Time Delivery Meals to the Homebound

2012-06-19 Thread Brian Thornton
So I have spent a little under the last month delivering meals for those elder who are "home bound" (Meals on Wheels) and I've noticed some patterns... 1. Each person is thankful but short. I would think if they didn't have folks near them they would want to chat my ear off. 2. Almost all have a

Re: periodontist?

2012-06-19 Thread Ras Tafari
ive never been one to subscribe to its analgesic benefits, but i've heard there are some strains that are keyed on that. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It would probably make you more focused on it. > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Vivec wrote: >> >> I have often

Re: periodontist?

2012-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It would probably make you more focused on it. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I have often wondered if taking some THC before a supposedly minor > procedure (tattoo for example) would do anything for the pain. > > > ~~~