Re: Game Sharing on Next Generation Consoles

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The Kinect (the camera) can be turned off." Or can it? (X-Files music plays in the background) What about the microphone? Can it be turned off. I have seen on the demos that you are supposed to be able to tell it turn on, which means it should always be listening. An oldie, but a goodie: Ho

Re: Game Sharing on Next Generation Consoles

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
It definitely is for me. Not even so much with the specifics, but with the attitude they are showing towards their customer base. They lost me with these "improvements", none of which are for MY benefit, just theirs. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The Kinect (the ca

Re: Game Sharing on Next Generation Consoles

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Stroz
The Kinect (the camera) can be turned off. The game 'sharing' and purchase and sale of used games is kind of a bummer, but I rarely buy or sell used games. Every time I play XBox, I connect to my XBox Live account, so 'calling home' is not a big deal for me either. Pre-ordered XBox One yesterda

Re: NASA - Is a Sleeping Climate Giant Stirring in the Arctic?

2013-06-13 Thread Vivec
The US Congress apparently believes that climate change will have bigger impacts on economy than previously thought. "In a Monday report, Inside Climate News explained how the term is the figure used to calculate the price society incurs as a result of carbon dioxide emissions. At that increase o

Re: NASA - Is a Sleeping Climate Giant Stirring in the Arctic?

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I don't remember Permafrost Giant being in the monster manual. Same stats as the Frost Giant? On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Permafrost zones occupy nearly a quarter of the exposed land area of the > Northern Hemisphere. NASA's Carbon in Arctic Reservoirs Vulnerab

NASA - Is a Sleeping Climate Giant Stirring in the Arctic?

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
Permafrost zones occupy nearly a quarter of the exposed land area of the Northern Hemisphere. NASA's Carbon in Arctic Reservoirs Vulnerability Experiment is probing deep into the frozen lands above the Arctic Circle in Alaska to measure emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and metha

Re: World less peaceful than five years ago

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"They forgot to mention that their monitoring of this mailing list was the top reason for the decline in peacefulness." It's in the footnotes. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at t

Re: World less peaceful than five years ago

2013-06-13 Thread Justin Scott
> Consistent with that trend, the index also found that global peacefulness > declined over the past year, chiefly due to the intensifying civil war in > Syria; the rising number of homicides, especially in Mexico, Central > America, and several sub-Saharan African countries; and increased militar

World less peaceful than five years ago

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
World less peaceful than five years ago The world - especially the Greater Middle East - has become less peaceful than it was five years ago, according to the 2013 edition of the annual Global Peace Index (GPI) released here Tuesday by the Institute for Economics and Peace. Consistent with that

Game Sharing on Next Generation Consoles

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
If you following gaming, you may have heard of about the Xbox One. Quite a bit of controversy surrounds the system. It has a mandatory camera built in, is always on, and must call home at least once every 24 hours in order to remain operable. Then there are the draconian restrictions on used ga

Keep Safe from Federal Snooping - Go to a Mosque

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
Obama's Snooping Excludes Mosques, Missed Boston Bombers Homeland Insecurity: The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won't snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are. That's right, the government's sweeping surveillance of our

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
As an old sig of mine said The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. - B. F. Skinner On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > The lanes would have to be completely separate. Here, I-66 h

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Jail broken cars > I actually wonder about the Tesla cars and how vulnerable their systems are. There's very little that's not completely controlled by computer. It's also connected to the internet. -Cameron ...

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > The lanes would have to be completely separate. Here, I-66 has a > connected HOV-2 lane that moves much faster most of the time during rush > hour. However the State police pull over dozens of cars with only one > person in it. Same thing w

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread LRS Scout
Roms Jail broken cars Dumb shit On Jun 13, 2013 12:35 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > The lanes would have to be completely separate. Here, I-66 has a connected > HOV-2 lane that moves much faster most of the time during rush hour. > However the State police pull over dozens of cars with only

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > What's to prevent product designers from shoving so much automation, so much > communication, so much functionality into an autonomous vehicle that it > starts to overload the vehicle's ability to do what it needs to most, which > is dr

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The lanes would have to be completely separate. Here, I-66 has a connected HOV-2 lane that moves much faster most of the time during rush hour. However the State police pull over dozens of cars with only one person in it. Same thing would probably happen. My general point is that I am not skeptic

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Something with one of the Bootstrap classes collided with the index on the date picker and the calendar wouldn't fly out. There is a version of date picker on GIT that someone did just for use with Bootstrap. I used that and it solved the problem." Just curious. I use bootstrap and jqueryui t

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its one of the more popular areas of navigation research. When I worked for this navigation institute a couple of years ago, the most popular sessions during the annual conference were autonomous system urban navigation and swarm methodology. The videos were pretty impressive. If this becomes comm

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Definitely. I also see a point where curtains or ways to blank windows become very popular. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > > Also, if enough cars are driving themselves (and talking to each other > > about where they are) that speeding car about to T-Bone you mig

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yeah, that would be cool. As long as they still allow motorcycles in the HOV lanes. On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > >> You have folks like me who are not going to give up their current vehicle >> until the whee

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > Two thoughts pop into my sleep-deprived brain on this idea: > > 1. Are we sure that the cars will have enough processing power to > > simultaneously drive themselves and communicate with others as more > > of these vehicles are on the road? (Gee, for some reason that sounds > > familiar...) >

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > You have folks like me who are not going to give up their current vehicle > until the wheels fall off. My truck is a 2000 F-250 with a 7.3L DTI diesel > and it only has 160K miles on it. Yes, I think that people will want to drive their own

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > Two thoughts pop into my sleep-deprived brain on this idea: > 1. Are we sure that the cars will have enough processing power to > simultaneously drive themselves and communicate with others as more > of these vehicles are on the road? (

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yeah, that makes total sense. The military has systems in place where vehicles and soldiers on the ground can all self-report their positions as well as enemy positions, giving vehicle commanders and squad leaders/platoon leaders on the ground better situational awareness in battle. Like many t

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Also, if enough cars are driving themselves (and talking to each other > about where they are) that speeding car about to T-Bone you might be > reported by another car a block away in time for you to move. That's > totally hypothetical, but very distinctly within the realm of possibility. > > Tw

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > Well after watching this video I am a bit less skeptical of the concept. > Still, some things I can't help but wonder. What about that person who does > not see the stop light and t-bones you? I saw the graphical image of what > the car sees,

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
The MS version of the driverless car will have an image of Clippy pop up and ask you, "I notice there is a vehicle approaching from the right at a high rate of speed. Would you like to avoid it?" On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > Well after watching this video I am a bit

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > My idea is that its not the car, its the other drivers. > > You have to look at attention as a limited resource. Talking or texting on > a cell phone, fooling around selecting songs etc., takes up the > vast majority of it that leaves ver

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Bruce Sorge
Well after watching this video I am a bit less skeptical of the concept. Still, some things I can't help but wonder. What about that person who does not see the stop light and t-bones you? I saw the graphical image of what the car sees, and it seems to see many things around it, but I wonder if

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
My idea is that its not the car, its the other drivers. You have to look at attention as a limited resource. Talking or texting on a cell phone, fooling around selecting songs etc., takes up the vast majority of it that leaves very little for driving, with horrid consequences at times. On Thu,

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Maureen wrote: > Just go here: http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/ - read the getting > started section and proceed from there. It's major league easy. +1 Also, to supercharge it, look through this: http://www.bootstraphero.com/the-big-badass-list-of-twitter-

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
This can explain it better than I can: http://css-tricks.com/semantic-class-names/ as for bootstrap, if you resize the screen down to a phone screens size, you'll notice that all of the 9 columns in the example table are now stacked on top of each other. On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Maur

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Thing is that that car may be a perfect driver, but are you willing > to guarantee that the guy in the Hummer beside you who's texting while > eating a a triple bacon cheese whopper with extra grease iss as well. You might find the Ted T

Toboggan Tracks on Mars?

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://news.discovery.com/space/toboggan-tracks-on-mars-130612.htm#mkcpgn=emnws1 WOOT! What a ride! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
Something with one of the Bootstrap classes collided with the index on the date picker and the calendar wouldn't fly out. There is a version of date picker on GIT that someone did just for use with Bootstrap. I used that and it solved the problem. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Jerry Barnes

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
Perhaps I am just confused, as is always possible this early in the morning but it seems to me that you have it exactly backwards. If you use bootstrap responsive, span9 will span 9 columns regardless of the device, and giving the div a class of purchase or search would conflate the content with

Re: IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening is a "Conservative Republican"

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Agreed. Also the Iraq and Afghani warlords who received huge shipments of cash. Some accountability there would be nice as well." Yes. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the e

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The only issue I have ever had with Bootstrap was with the jquery date picker flyout." What kind of issue? J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and bu

Re: IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening is a "Conservative Republican"

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
Agreed. Also the Iraq and Afghani warlords who received huge shipments of cash. Some accountability there would be nice as well. And I wouldn't mind a look at the books at the NSA either. Like that is gonna happen. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > " For instance, I do

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
It's for the same reason we quit using tables for layout. It was conflating the content with presentation. When you specify a class of "span9", you're not using semantic classes, you're specifying the layout. This falls over when you take that same layout to a mobile device when the span9 re

Re: Housing discrimination still exists

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The days of you telling an agent what you want, and them doing the leg work and coming back to you with listings...is gone." And good riddance. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light a

Re: IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening is a "Conservative Republican"

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
" For instance, I don't think churches get nearly enough scrutiny for their tax exemptions." All nonprofits, including unions, should have 100% transparent accounting. International organizations that use US aid as part of their funding should have 100% transparent accounting, especially the UN

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
I would think it would spawn more research, as each company works to find their own custom blend for the test. If the companies smell money, they will do research. Scare tactics apparently didn't work this time. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Vivec wrote: > > But!! > > Would this prevent si

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread LRS Scout
Should be the opposite On Jun 13, 2013 10:49 AM, "Vivec" wrote: > > But!! > > Would this prevent similar companies from doing gene research? Or was that > just a falsehood put forward to instill some doubt in the supreme court? > > >

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
It would prevent firms from spending JUST ENOUGH to get patents on pieces of DNA, but nothing more in the way of research. A land rush of sorts. Real researchers are going to continue to research, and real medical companies are going to continue to innovate. The bloodsuckers, though, may find e

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Vivec
But!! Would this prevent similar companies from doing gene research? Or was that just a falsehood put forward to instill some doubt in the supreme court? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
I would be more inclined to use the id of the div to identify content than the class. If you are going to change the content, you would need the id. Changing a CSS class on a div would change the presentation. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:20 AM, zaphod wrote: > > span9 has nothing to do with the c

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The jquery validator plugin is veyr sweet. Its saved me a lot of time more than a few times. I very much like being able to combine optional rules with regex to handle very complex validation rules. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "As a side note, I discovered that HTM

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread LRS Scout
Thank God for a little common sense On Jun 13, 2013 10:43 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > For one thing, Myriad Genetics Inc.cannot claim the gene nor charge > their exorbitant rates for access by researchers. They can only make their > money from their test right now. It also leaves open the po

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
For one thing, Myriad Genetics Inc.cannot claim the gene nor charge their exorbitant rates for access by researchers. They can only make their money from their test right now. It also leaves open the possibility of other companies making more effective and cheaper tests for breast cancer related g

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
span9 has nothing to do with the content of the div. It's strictly for what the div should look like. On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > How is that not semantic? > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM, zaphod wrote: > >> >> correct, I referred to them incorrectly,

Re: Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Vivec
Wow. This is big news. Thinking of the amount of fallout that could occur, and the changes in research patterns, if any. On 13 June 2013 11:04, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-says-human-genes-cannot-be-patented/2013/06/13/f7681b22-d

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Stroz
How is that not semantic? On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM, zaphod wrote: > > correct, I referred to them incorrectly, they are classes. > > I still believe they are not semantic especially when you have to start > using multiple bootstrap classes like > > > > or > > …. > > > On Jun 13, 2013,

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Stroz
Bootstrap uses LESS. Which is awesome, makes it very easy to change colors, etc. But, yea, what Maureen said. The span9 is a CSS class which means that the div (or whatever will be 9 'columns' wide) On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:44 AM, zaphod wrote: > > I would suggest that you also check into a

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
correct, I referred to them incorrectly, they are classes. I still believe they are not semantic especially when you have to start using multiple bootstrap classes like or …. On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Those aren't spans. They are bootstrap classes that "span" co

Supreme Court says human genes cannot be patented - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-says-human-genes-cannot-be-patented/2013/06/13/f7681b22-d436-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html?hpid=z1 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
Those aren't spans. They are bootstrap classes that "span" columns in the grid. Named badly perhaps but very different from a tag. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:44 AM, zaphod wrote: > > I would suggest that you also check into a css preprocessor so that you can > clean up your html. Bootstrap w

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread zaphod
I would suggest that you also check into a css preprocessor so that you can clean up your html. Bootstrap will have you putting a bunch of span tags into your divs which I personally can't stand. If you use a preprocessor like LESS or SASS, you can change it from: My Column My other Col

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread GMoney
My inlaws were in town about 6 months ago. We're all sitting around the living room while my then 3-year old was playing with his cars. He had all his cars lined up, as in a traffic jam, when he yells out very clearly: "C'mon lady, pay attention!" Yeah...i'm the one who drops him off and picks hi

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I ought to go into marketing. Perfect example this morning coming in on I-66. Traffic is crawling and this brain dead idiot in a mercedes comes off one of the ramps, doesn't bother to look just drives straight into lane, nearly hitting two other cars. It looked like when I passed the driver he wa

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread GMoney
m...triple bacon cheese whopper with extra grease.*drool* On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Thing is that that car may be a perfect driver, but are you willing > to guarantee that the guy in the Hummer beside you who's texting while > eating

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Thing is that that car may be a perfect driver, but are you willing to guarantee that the guy in the Hummer beside you who's texting while eating a a triple bacon cheese whopper with extra grease iss as well. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
Just go here: http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/ - read the getting started section and proceed from there. It's major league easy. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Anyone have suggestions on how to get started with Bootstrap? > > thx, > larry ~~~

Re: Foundation 4

2013-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Anyone have suggestions on how to get started with Bootstrap? thx, larry On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Agree 100% about Bootstrap. Moving all website to Bootstrap and FW/1 > on Railo. Perfect in all ways for me. > > Bootstrap now has the same ability to customize and d

Re: Red tape trauma: 851,000 war veterans await benefits

2013-06-13 Thread Bruce Sorge
I was not defending the VA. Merely pointing out they are trying. I agree with every article though that they are not working nearly fast enough. Especially it it's taking this long for a Vietnam vet to get approved. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Maureen wrote: > > M

Re: Red tape trauma: 851,000 war veterans await benefits

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
My youngest son's father had his benefits approved a few months for PTSD and Peripheral Neuropathy caused by exposure to Agent Orange. >From the Vietnam War. Tet Offensive. 1968. So yeah, they cleared some old cases. But not nearly enough. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote:

Re: Red tape trauma: 851,000 war veterans await benefits

2013-06-13 Thread Maureen
At least one person is doing something to help http://blogs.tennessean.com/tunein/2013/06/13/john-rich-reaches-out-to-soldiers-in-big-way/ "Ground is being broken today on Intrepid Spirit 3 — a mental health facility at Fort Campbell, Ky., that will provide services to members of the military who

Re: Eyes on road may not prevent accidents - The Washington Post

2013-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > As much as I LOVE technology, I think that I'd be a bit nervous at first > about my car driving me around. If you have a few minutes (and you haven't already watched this), check it out. It's about Google's self driving car. It has a perfect

Re: Gaza summer camp for kids?

2013-06-13 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
Sounds like more fun than the YMCA day camp I use to go to as a kid... On Jun 13, 2013 1:14 AM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" wrote: > > http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4391533,00.html > > Ouch > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfu

Re: Gaza summer camp for kids?

2013-06-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
So what else is new. These camps have been going on literally for decades and few even bother to report about it or care. The PA is little different. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4391533,00.html > > Ouch > > > ~~~