Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Larry? You there? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Sam wrote: > > http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/01/16/climate-alarmist-michael-mann-charges-1-speaker-fee > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> so a right wing blog hit piece is supposed to be pro

You have to wonder about these conservative Televangelists

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
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right wingers are going spare over SSM and Doma being overturned

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keyes/130701 Absolutely lunatic hysterical. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/01/16/climate-alarmist-michael-mann-charges-1-speaker-fee . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > so a right wing blog hit piece is supposed to be proof? Even if it is the > case, which I completely dispute, I can also show that all

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2398822/posts . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > so a right wing blog hit piece is supposed to be proof? Even if it is the > case, which I completely dispute, I can also show that all the other > climate scientists who are not on

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
so a right wing blog hit piece is supposed to be proof? Even if it is the case, which I completely dispute, I can also show that all the other climate scientists who are not on the corporate teat? Like Mann who has been harassed by republican AG of Virginia Cuccininelli simply because Mann has the

Re: Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
That sounds like a quote in a sci-fi book that struck a deep chord in me. "Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself." -- Lois McMaster Bujold , *A Civil Campaign

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
I give up. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Going to include more of the conversation so it is in context. > > Zaph said: It's kind of ironic that Rick Perry denies anthropomorphic > climate change, but he does believe that prayer can change the climate. > > And your

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Going to include more of the conversation so it is in context. Zaph said: It's kind of ironic that Rick Perry denies anthropomorphic climate change, but he does believe that prayer can change the climate. And your reply was: Pretty stupid to think anything else would work. The implication is p

Re: Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
+100 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > This was in the signature of an email I received today. > > "Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your > character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what > others think you are." >

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
You are still cherry picking parts of my reply to fit your narrative. BTW - all those droughts even with all the praying that goes on in Texas? Interesting. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Sam wrote: > > Droughts are real. They happen all the time. > > A. Drought is a recurring event in Texas

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
OK, I give up. You are correct. You didn't learn anything. Why do I bother? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > No, you said I changed my mind because I heard something for other people, > when in fact it came more from soul searching than any external forces. > > > On Tu

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
If nobody offered a different solution then I didn't call anyone stupid. You really are angry aren't you? I didn't say prayer would work, I implied nothing will help so it doesn't hurt. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > In your mind calling someone 'stupid' who does no

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Droughts are real. They happen all the time. A. Drought is a recurring event in Texas. Since it is frequently widespread and can cover several regional climatic areas, the State may incur inconsistent levels of drought intensity from one region to another on a statewide basis. Texas has suffered

Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
This was in the signature of an email I received today. "Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watc

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
No, you said I changed my mind because I heard something for other people, when in fact it came more from soul searching than any external forces. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Sam wrote: > > I said you changed your mind because you learned something and you denied > that. Repeatedly. > > .

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
In your mind calling someone 'stupid' who does not share your beliefs is not 'hateful'? If that is the case, you are stupid for thinking prayer is the solution for anything. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Sam wrote: > > No, because I don't hate stupid people. > > Actually, didn't Israel end

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
methinks he was making a joke . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The one study I know of has been mostly discredited because the authors did > such a massive amount of cherry picking the data. They were going in > determined to get a certain result. Whenever the study

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
You can't just strip out parts of my reply so it fits your narrative. I never tied it to AGW - you did. I merely said (again) it would be illogical to not plan for a drought BECAUSE you dispute why they occur. I never added any commentary as to the cause (real or imagined). Let me see if I can s

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The one study I know of has been mostly discredited because the authors did such a massive amount of cherry picking the data. They were going in determined to get a certain result. Whenever the study was duplicated they could not get similar results. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Zaphod wrote

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
I said you changed your mind because you learned something and you denied that. Repeatedly. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > No...you accused me of believing what i was told by others. Big difference. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > I did, a

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
No, because I don't hate stupid people. Actually, didn't Israel end a drought by planting trees and rebuilding a neglected land? I guess I would be wrong then. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, anyone who thinks anything other than 'prayer' can end a drought is > '

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
No...you accused me of believing what i was told by others. Big difference. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > I did, and you kept denying it. > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > You accused me of actually thinking and not parroting what they h

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
And that's why it shouldn't be there. You are now tying it to AGW when that has nothing to do with it. Have you ever heard anyone mention droughts are caused by man? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Really Sam? You are only going to take part of the full reply and put

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
So, anyone who thinks anything other than 'prayer' can end a drought is 'stupid'? Wouldn't that fall under 'hating people for having a differing opinion'? You know, that thing you have been accusing me and pretty much everyone else of for the last few months. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Sam

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
I did, and you kept denying it. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You accused me of actually thinking and not parroting what they hear? I > must have missed that. If that is the case, well, thenThanx! > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > That'

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Really Sam? You are only going to take part of the full reply and put in your 'full stop' to help make you point. What I said was: "No, I am saying they would lack logic and common sense if they don't plan for them because they dispute why they occur." The rest of the reply is vital to the poi

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Zaphod
I know, I mean, is there anything in this world that has more demonstrable and repeatable results than prayer?! On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Sam wrote: > > Pretty stupid to think anything else would work. > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Zaphod wrote: > >> >> I know Rick P

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
You accused me of actually thinking and not parroting what they hear? I must have missed that. If that is the case, well, thenThanx! On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > That's exactly what I accused you of doing and you used it as a defense to > explain you were not doing it. Ar

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
...would end a drought. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Trying to figure out what you mean by this. > > Are you saying that it is 'stupid' to think anything but prayer could > change the climate? > > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > Pretty stu

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
It would lack logic and common sense if they did not plan for them. Full stop. But they did so why are we discussing this again? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am not walking back my comment at all. I meant the comment as it was > written. I was not commenting on

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Trying to figure out what you mean by this. Are you saying that it is 'stupid' to think anything but prayer could change the climate? On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > Pretty stupid to think anything else would work. > > . > > > -- Scott Stroz --- You can make thi

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
That's exactly what I accused you of doing and you used it as a defense to explain you were not doing it. Are we done yet? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > As difficult as you may find this to believe, some people are actually > capable of actual thought and do not j

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
I am not walking back my comment at all. I meant the comment as it was written. I was not commenting on the possible causes of the droughts, as you seem to have misinterpreted. For that I apologize, it seems I may not have been as clear as I could have been. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Sam

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Keep speculating Sam. It just goes to show how close minded you can be at times. I contemplated on how I would feel if it were me, or one of my family members, who was being told they could not get 'married' because I (or they) did not fit into someone else's definition of 'normal'. came to belie

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
It means you are trying to walk back your comments so fast you're tripping over yourself. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > How am I 'spinning out of control'? That is what I meant. Really not much > to read into there. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Sam wrote:

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Pretty stupid to think anything else would work. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > I know Rick Perry has planned for droughts in the past. As a matter of > fact, he held a huge prayer rally in Texas to pray for rain. > > It's kind of ironic that Rick Perry denies anthropom

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
How am I 'spinning out of control'? That is what I meant. Really not much to read into there. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > Now you are spinning out of control. > Just let it go. > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > No, I am saying they wo

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
So you contemplated what you heard and formed an opinion based on that but not on what you learned? Really dude? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > No, I said I changed my views after contemplating the issue. > > You were the one who brought up the whole 'heard' vs 'lea

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Now you are spinning out of control. Just let it go. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > No, I am saying they would lack logic and common sense if they don't plan > for them because they dispute why they occur. > > Big difference. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM, S

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
That's not what it said. It said it didn't like the plan they had, which was to build more reservoirs, because they were appointed by a Republican. That's not a true evaluation of a plan, it's just a talking points hit piece. Read this and see if they were accurate: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Actually, I think it fits in perfectly with Perry's belief system. Nothing really ironic about it. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > I know Rick Perry has planned for droughts in the past. As a matter of > fact, he held a huge prayer rally in Texas to pray for rain. > > It's

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Zaphod
I know Rick Perry has planned for droughts in the past. As a matter of fact, he held a huge prayer rally in Texas to pray for rain. It's kind of ironic that Rick Perry denies anthropomorphic climate change, but he does believe that prayer can change the climate. On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:04 AM

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Judah McAuley
She would conspire with our steer, Homer. She'd find the weak spots in the fence, Homer would use his brawn, then they would trapse over and eat the neighbors roses. Phone would be ringing as we got to the house as the neighbor would see us driving down the gravel drive way. Good times. Judah

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread LRS Scout
I love list On Jul 2, 2013 12:21 PM, "Judah McAuley" wrote: > > I had a pet goat named Melissa when I was a kid. She was pretty superior. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Cameron Childress >wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > You must be so proud, being so

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Judah McAuley
I had a pet goat named Melissa when I was a kid. She was pretty superior. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sam wrote: > > > You must be so proud, being so smart and all. I'll leave you to gloat in > > your superiority. > > > > That's f

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
No, I said I changed my views after contemplating the issue. You were the one who brought up the whole 'heard' vs 'learned' thing - which I assumed was a not so subtle way to try and get me to say that those who do not agree with me are 'stupid' for not 'learning' On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:04 P

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
No, I am saying they would lack logic and common sense if they don't plan for them because they dispute why they occur. Big difference. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Sam wrote: > > You are saying they lack logic and common sense because they dispute "WHY" > they occur. > > BTW, they do pla

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread GMoney
According to the article, they are ill prepared for this drought and are not considering any plans to prepare for future droughts, even though 30 year predictors are calling for extensive drought conditions. Are you saying the article is wrong? On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Sam wrote: > >

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
You said you changed your mind based on what you heard not what you learned. Remember that part? How else would you explain that? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > 'Abuse' your comments? > > Do you deny that, in another thread, you stated I was 'easily led' because >

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
You are saying they lack logic and common sense because they dispute "WHY" they occur. BTW, they do plan for droughts. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Not at all. I was referring to GMoney's comment: > > If you have them all the time, should you refuse to plan for t

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/18/dr-james-hansens-growing-financial-scandal-now-over-a-million-dollars-of-outside-income/ . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > nice myth. Did he make millions? You make an extraordinary claim there but > have no demonstrable proof -

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
'Abuse' your comments? Do you deny that, in another thread, you stated I was 'easily led' because I changed my views on a particular issue? On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Sam wrote: > > Really? You're going to abuse my comments and use them as a dig? > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:28

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Not at all. I was referring to GMoney's comment: If you have them all the time, should you refuse to plan for them because you dispute WHY you have them all the time Not global warming overall. Regardless of whether or not you agree on the reason for droughts (for example), not planning for

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Out of context it sounds racist, but in the context of the paragraph, I don't think it is.. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sam wrote: > > Because it's specifies older white men :P > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > How is it 'racist'? > > > > > > On

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
nice myth. Did he make millions? You make an extraordinary claim there but have no demonstrable proof - s how do we know you're not just making it up. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > How many $millions did Jim Hanson make on his speaking tour while working > at NASA? How much i

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
There you go again. Doesn't that imply that people you don't agree with aren't using logic and common sense? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > G - I think its cute when you try to insert logic and common sense into > American politics > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:18

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Really? You're going to abuse my comments and use them as a dig? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Or, according to Sam in another thread, changing your mind means you are > 'easily led' > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Cameron Childress >wrote: > > > > > On Tue

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Because it's specifies older white men :P . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > How is it 'racist'? > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > That's racist. > > > > And idiotic. > > > > You need to give up, walk away and pretend you were never fooled in t

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
It doesn't say they they refused to plan for them. It's just saying they're fools for not calling it AGW. Stupid article. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:18 AM, GMoney wrote: > > If you have them all the time, should you refuse to plan for them because > you dispute WHY you have them all the tim

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
G - I think its cute when you try to insert logic and common sense into American politics On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:18 AM, GMoney wrote: > > If you have them all the time, should you refuse to plan for them because > you dispute WHY you have them all the time > > There in lies the disconne

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
Or, according to Sam in another thread, changing your mind means you are 'easily led' On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > More left conspiracy. > > > To some, unfortunately, changing your mind is a sign of weakness ra

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
How is it 'racist'? On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Sam wrote: > > That's racist. > > And idiotic. > > You need to give up, walk away and pretend you were never fooled in the > first place. It's the best thing to do. > > . > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Cameron Childress >wrote: > > >

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread GMoney
If you have them all the time, should you refuse to plan for them because you dispute WHY you have them all the time There in lies the disconnect. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Sam wrote: > > Maybe it's just a drought. We have them all the time. > > . > > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:3

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Maybe it's just a drought. We have them all the time. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Whether it's global warming or The Benevolent and Magnificent Flying > Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly appendage) that is causing the drought, > it's their job to plan for it. End o

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM, GMoney wrote: > Whether it's global warming or The Benevolent and Magnificent Flying > Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly appendage) that is causing the drought, > it's their job to plan for it. End of story. > > If they aren't planning for it, they should be fir

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
How many $millions did Jim Hanson make on his speaking tour while working at NASA? How much is he making now that he quit? What about Al Gore with his expensive caps? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/19/the-well-funded-climate-business-follow-the-money/ . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM, La

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread GMoney
Whether it's global warming or The Benevolent and Magnificent Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly appendage) that is causing the drought, it's their job to plan for it. End of story. If they aren't planning for it, they should be fired immediately. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Cameron

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Pretty much http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/07/02/even-the-new-york-times-has-chilled-on-global-warming-someone-please-tell-obama/ The gig is up folks, admit it and move on. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Vivec wrote: > > More left conspiracy. > > Apparently the Florida keys a

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Vivec wrote: > More left conspiracy. To some, unfortunately, changing your mind is a sign of weakness rather than strength. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/perrys-water-board-still-wont-acknowledge-climate-change-as-texas-faces-dire-drought-in-2013/ -Cam

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Really stupid. a scam? What makes more sense, Small groups that barely have enough money to pay their workers salaries, are pooling their money in a massive conspiracy with all but a few of the climate scientists to kill the world's economy. Or Large Energy and dirty industrial companies are s

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Vivec
More left conspiracy. Apparently the Florida keys are taking steps to protect against the non existent rising sea levels. Government officials under Obama have faked floods and storm damage over the years in an effort to get the citizens to support these draconian flood management measures. http

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sam wrote: > You must be so proud, being so smart and all. I'll leave you to gloat in > your superiority. > That's fine. I am going to leave you to goat in your superiority: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/30/the-road-to-mordor-the-superiority-of-goats/ Obv

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
You must be so proud, being so smart and all. I'll leave you to gloat in your superiority. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Sam wrote: > > > Why the constant barrage of attacks against conservatives lately? Does > > mocking people s

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Sam wrote: > Why the constant barrage of attacks against conservatives lately? Does > mocking people smarter than you give you some sense of accomplishment? This > article is BS and you know it. Anyone claiming otherwise is doing so based > on malcontent rather tha

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Are you series or are you helping me make my point that this is a scam? . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Long story short, nothing about the “pause” changes the basic nature of the > climate problem. We are still on a course for up to 6 degrees Celsius > warming

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
Why the constant barrage of attacks against conservatives lately? Does mocking people smarter than you give you some sense of accomplishment? This article is BS and you know it. Anyone claiming otherwise is doing so based on malcontent rather than science. It's a shame that so many here mocking sc

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
the whole pause thing looks like just statistical variation along a single regression line. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Long story short, nothing about the “pause” changes the basic nature of the > climate problem. We are still on a course for up to 6 degrees Celsius > war

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Zaphod wrote: > I think Sam just accidentally posted one of his affirmations to the list. Indeed. I am entertained. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Vivec
Long story short, nothing about the “pause” changes the basic nature of the climate problem. We are still on a course for up to 6 degrees Celsius warming , which will lead to multiple simultaneous humanitarian disasters

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Normally Sam just jumps the shark, he's using a pogo stick now. Simply amazing the sheer unmitigated willing ignorance. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Zaphod wrote: > > I think Sam just accidentally posted one of his affirmations to the list. > > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Sam wrote: > >

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Zaphod
I think Sam just accidentally posted one of his affirmations to the list. On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Sam wrote: > > That's racist. > > And idiotic. > > You need to give up, walk away and pretend you were never fooled in the > first place. It's the best thing to do. > > . > > > On Tue, J

Re: Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Sam
That's racist. And idiotic. You need to give up, walk away and pretend you were never fooled in the first place. It's the best thing to do. . On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > http://grist.org/climate-energy/conservatives-seek-alternatives-to-climate-denialism-co

Conservatives seek alternatives to climate denialism come up short

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Childress
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Re: android phone question

2013-07-02 Thread Dana
thanks guys, I will research these suggestions On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM, William Bowen wrote: > > A little late to the party... > > I got a Google Nexus 4 back in May and I love it. > > LG constructed, un-nerfed Android 4.2.2 (IIRC the only phone on the market > whose OS hasn't been touch