There is another great reason to support vouchers and it has nothing to do
with the quality of education arguments.
It is strictly financial. So many school systems cannot keep up with the
demand of running the system. They need new schools, higher pay to get
qualified teachers (it is very diffi
Omg. I had to share that with Charles. We both had a good laugh at that one.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LMAO. Ok. Charlie. Warn us next time. I don't need coffee all over
> my laptop.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Charlie Griefer
> > On Thu
I support home schooling, for sure. As for no taxpayer money for
un-certified religious schools, I'm on the fence about that. I would
tend to agree with you, because the net effect of allowing it would be
a huge expansion in full-time religious schooling in this country, and
I don't think that's a
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge them the salary, but crying poor in
> this area makes no sense.
Maybe where you live, but most other places, they ain't exactly
pulling down the big bucks.
Multiple houses? Wow. My mother is a teacher,
I am also an advocate of home schooling, but we were talking about
funding so I didn't bring that up. As for your private school
comment... not sure. Catholic schools are usually pretty good. But
aren't they usually certified? There are definitely issues with
funding them tho.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008
Yeah,I'm a former teacher and I've spend most of the last 3 years in
the belly of the beast as far as California bureaucracy is concerned.
Makes me want to pull out my hair. I'm with you on the charter
schools, vouchers and merit pay. I'm also a strong advocate of home
schooling. But I draw the
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, G Money wrote:
> For me, it really comes down to this: "G, we're gonna take X dollars from
> you every year in taxeswhere would you like that money spent?"
>
> G: "EDUCATION! EDUCATION! EDUCATION!"
>
> The opportunities and successes I have today are due la
> gMoney wrote:
> I see it as the single best investment for my tax dollars.
Then manage it like an investment - through private brokers with a
proven track record.
Government administered education is nothing more than a money pit.
Set standards, set auditing and let private business meet and e
the devil is in the details though. Merit pay based on what? Student
test scores? You'll wind up with the lowest pay in the poorest
schools, which is the opposite of what you want. I am not sure peer
evaluations would work well either. Sounds like a good idea in theory,
not sure about the practice.
I don't think the english model is "smart kids go free to the schools
they qualify for" any more. I was talking to a Brit a while back who
told me it hadn't been that way in a while and he had actually dropped
out due to high fees.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> G: "EDUCATION! EDUCATION! EDUCATION!"
>
> The opportunities and successes I have today are due largely to my access
> to
> quality education throughout my life. If I'm going to pay taxes for the
> common good, I frankly don't see anything that can have the positive
> affect
> and the return on
They suck in South Chicago :)
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To be honest, other than the stupid NCLB the feds aren't in charge of
> schools and many local systems do have private school options. The school
> district here is awesome - more charter s
>I didn't say handle it in the home, just get the federal government out
> of it, allow options for access to private schools.
To be honest, other than the stupid NCLB the feds aren't in charge of
schools and many local systems do have private school options. The school
district here is awesom
We have the same problem in California- entrenched bureaucracy, the
teachers' unions resisting sensible reform, and incompetent, corrupt
management all around. I vote for merit pay, vouchers, and charter
schools- create a little competition for those taxpayer dollars in the
education sector.
On T
::sigh:: but exactly how do you define quality of education, though,
that's the problem. I think education is a fine thing , but below
college level I can count on one hand the number of positive
educational experiences our family has had in public schools. I agree
though that if people had more
I missed the part where I said they're doing it.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Deanna Schneider
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh my kid has already had the conversation about how babies are made,
> and whether Johnny can marry George, etc, etc. He's had it at home.
>
> But, it seems to me that
Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge them the salary, but crying poor in
this area makes no sense.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:07 PM, morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's it, I'm moving. My wife is almost finished with her degree, and will
> be looking for a teaching position in the next co
Oh my kid has already had the conversation about how babies are made,
and whether Johnny can marry George, etc, etc. He's had it at home.
But, it seems to me that you're all outraged at the idea of teaching 5
year olds about STDs and HIV at the same time you're saying that 5
year olds are doing it
That's it, I'm moving. My wife is almost finished with her degree, and will
be looking for a teaching position in the next couple of years. We need to
live somewhere where she can make me rich. I've always wanted to be rich.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The you too should take your kids out of public school. There are
five-year-old's that want to know how to fornicate.
Takes playing doctor to another level.
I did notice Obama's kids are in private school so they would have missed out.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL P
This is almost true with St Louis public schools, as well.
But my comment was far more generic than education alone. There are a good
many "conservatives" that want State level control over many things now in
the hands of the Fed, a stance I agree with, in principle, as it was
supposed to be that w
Public School teachers in my area are anything but underpaid.
And the only people my age I know who are retiring for good and who own
multiple houses in multiple states are teachers.
And that is true of every teacher I know. They are the richest people with a
salaried job I know.
On Thu, Sep 11,
The biggest problem with education today is not one bureaucracy versus
fifty, but that each school district has a level of bureaus, so you're
talking thousands of bureaucracies, and the bureaucrats are
incompetent at every level. The Clayton County Georgia school board
is currently so bad that the
LMAO. Ok. Charlie. Warn us next time. I don't need coffee all over
my laptop.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Deanna Schneider <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> it's not appropriate
>> to fondle your penis in cl
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exactly. If government role was limited to defining requirements and
> outcomes as well as auditing, that would free up parents to fulfill
> accomplish those outcomes any way they saw fit.
I disagree in so much that I want
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe, however, the involvement should be limited to defining the
> requirements and outcomes.
>
> And maybe the method of definition would be best left to private
> consultancies with auditing via a rotating set of firms.
>
> tBone wrote:
> I didn't say handle it in the home, just get the federal government out
> of it, allow options for access to private schools.
>
Exactly. If government role was limited to defining requirements and
outcomes as well as auditing, that would free up parents to fulfill
accomplish thos
My only problem with State vs. Federal control is, State governments are
just as corrupt, and just as incompetent as the Fed is. It replaces one evil
with 50 of them.
I didn't say handle it in the home, just get the federal government out
> of it, allow options for access to private schools.
~~
> gMoney wrote:
> Education is THE fundamental basis for the betterment of our society, from
> an "administrative" stand point. Government should not get out of education,
> we should simply demand that they do it better.
>
Maybe, however, the involvement should be limited to defining the
requirem
I didn't say handle it in the home, just get the federal government out
of it, allow options for access to private schools.
Beth Fleischer wrote:
>> Which is why we need to get government out of education.
>
>
> When education was handled at home, lots of people got none. not exactly in
> the
I disagree.
Education is THE fundamental basis for the betterment of our society, from
an "administrative" stand point. Government should not get out of education,
we should simply demand that they do it better.
Education is VITAL to our country's futureif the government, which is
just a coll
> Which is why we need to get government out of education.
When education was handled at home, lots of people got none. not exactly in
the best interest of our country at this particular juncture.
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Which is why we need to get government out of education.
G Money wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What's an age appropriate way to teach a five-year-old to avoid STDs and
>> HIV?
>>
>>
> Sometimes I wish all social conservatives would keep their childr
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Deanna Schneider <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's not appropriate
> to fondle your penis in class no matter how good it feels - you do
> that at home."
>
whoa... flashbacks to my last meeting with HR...
--
I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sam wrote:
>
>> What's an age appropriate way to teach a five-year-old to avoid STDs and
>> HIV?
You don't. Age appropriate sex ex for 5 year olds centers on "good
touch - bad touch", understanding their own bodies and what they do,
and understanding privacy iss
My daughter is five and just entered kindergarten. Do you know any
five-year-olds?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:44 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What's an age appropriate way to teach a five-year-old to avoid STDs and
>> HIV?
>>
>>
> Sometimes I wish all social conservatives would keep
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's an age appropriate way to teach a five-year-old to avoid STDs and
> HIV?
>
>
Sometimes I wish all social conservatives would keep their children out of
public schools, so that the rest of us can properly instruct the next
gen
What's an age appropriate way to teach a five-year-old to avoid STDs and HIV?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> as well as it would be geared to the grade level.
> so kindergarten wouldnt get same material as elder students
>
> sounds like a great idea.
>
~~~
as well as it would be geared to the grade level.
so kindergarten wouldnt get same material as elder students
sounds like a great idea.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
Sorry I was wrong:
http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/09/11/09300sb0099lv.pdf
"Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of
grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of
sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention,
transmission and
> Sam wrote:
> Sneaky, he said "We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any
> claim from the Obama campaign about Palin."
>
> Making it sound as if all the smears were true.
>
huh? It's factcheck.org talking and they're making a point of fact
about McCain's lie in his ad.
~
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> (2.) A McCain ad which claims that factcheck.org called Obama
>>> statements about Palin "absolutely false" and "misleading." Fact
>>> check disputes that saying, "We said no such thing. We have yet to
>>> dispute any claim
Now that was funny! :)
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > McCain was way wrong with that add, I agree.
> >
>
> FECK!
>
> I had my money on choke a baby on live TV while roasting a plate of
> kittens.
>
>
~~~
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Sam wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere
>> but now there's worse:
>
> Nothing bogus about it.
Republicans: they were against change before they were
> Sam wrote:
> McCain was way wrong with that add, I agree.
>
FECK!
I had my money on choke a baby on live TV while roasting a plate of kittens.
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere
> but now there's worse:
Nothing bogus about it.
> (1.) A McCain ad saying Obama backed legislation to teach
> "'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartn
Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere
but now there's worse:
(1.) A McCain ad saying Obama backed legislation to teach
"'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." As a state senator
in Illinois Obama voted for legislation that allowed local school
boards to te
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