Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-09 Thread Dinner
Mary Jo is right on the money! I had the same thoughts. I was like, "wow, some real info came from this thread"- which I was taking as sorta the whole $$$ vs. - Yeah. I'm buzzed. Woot! Don't see that often these days- Anyway, strange how the world works, right? The silent majority is an inter

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-08 Thread Matthew Blatchley
Thanks to all who responded, not so shocking now. FusionReactor or SeeFusion seems to be a great option that I'll look further into. Didn't mean to bring up old news Thanks again. ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusi

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-08 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
I'm kind of surprised that the price increase of Enterprise gets so much discussion, yet the thread on the change on VPS licensing gets barely noticed, when that's going to have a much bigger effect, IMO on the CF community. If you read the license for standard, each VPS now counts as 2 CPUs

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-08 Thread Oğuz Demirkapı
> The monitoring API's are available in standard if I'm not mistaken, while > you don't get the spiffy FLEX app, why not roll your own or purchase > SeeFusion or FusionReactor. Each will make use of the new API's at some > point. > > Casey > API is also not available for standard version. Sin

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:52 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: CF8 Sticker Shock > > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is > available > only in Enterprise editio

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On 8/7/07, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is available > only in Enterprise edition. > > That sucks big time. That was the biggest selling point for me to upgrade > to CF8. Now that I found out you can not do server monitoring in t

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Rick Root
On 8/7/07, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The feature I was looking for was server monitor. But that is available > only in Enterprise edition. Have you looked into FusionReactor or SeeFusion? Adobe is telling people to NOT run the monitoring stuff on production servers because of the overhe

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jacob
+10 -Original Message- From: Matthew Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock Monitoring Tools.. - Original Message - From: "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jacob
-Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:51 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock Why do you need Enterprise version, and not the Standard? What features do you need that only Enterprise gives you? On 8/7/07, Matthew

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ben Doom
I've driven a hybrid webserver before. The gas mileage increase is not as much as they advertise. --BenD Oğuz Demirkapı wrote: >> the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an >> investment than a true cost. >> > > Hybrid? :) > > > ~~

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of >CF8, and then I looked at the price. You may want to look at Blue Dragon 7. It has many of the same features, and is far less expensive. Vince Bonfanti's blog has a discussion of the price and features of both. http:/

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Oğuz Demirkapı
> the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an > investment than a true cost. > Hybrid? :) ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://down

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
On 8/7/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're implying that the other choices are not reliable. Are they not and > what evidence do you have to prove it? I didn't mean to imply that (but yeah, i can see where it came across as such). clarified in a previous response. > Besides the

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
ok i should clarify that i wasn't suggesting that either ASP.NET -or- PHP were the code equivalent of yugos :) the analogy was meant to suggest that initial cost can be more of an investment than a true cost. To address the server monitoring tools... http://www.seefusion.com/ http://www.fusion-r

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Chesty Puller
- Original Message - From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock > this has been done to death over on cf-talk (and various blogs)... > > but let's say your manag

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Matthew Blatchley wrote: > Monitoring Tools.. Standard already has free, albeit third party, monitoring tools ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 b

RE: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Duane
IMHO, ASP.Net isn't exactly a yugo tho. I haven't written more than a few lines of PHP code so I can't comment on it. Duane -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:51 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Matthew Blatchley wrote: > Anyone else finding that they can't compete in such a competitive > development market with a price tag like that or is it just us? Nope, I work in a state agency that needs and uses Oracle and ERSI enterprise applications that run in the tens and hundreds of thousands

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Matthew Blatchley
Monitoring Tools.. - Original Message - From: "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: CF8 Sticker Shock > Why were you looking at enterprise instead of standard? > > --Ben Doom > >

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Ben Doom
Why were you looking at enterprise instead of standard? --Ben Doom Matthew Blatchley wrote: > I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of > CF8, and then I looked at the price. > > We've got CF, PHP, and .NET developers here and now I've been trumped > becaus

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
this has been done to death over on cf-talk (and various blogs)... but let's say your manager wanted a car. a RELIABLE car. a car that would deliver the peace of mind of knowing that each morning it'd start and get him to where he needs to go. would he balk at the price of a lexus and opt for a

Re: CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Why do you need Enterprise version, and not the Standard? What features do you need that only Enterprise gives you? On 8/7/07, Matthew Blatchley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of > CF8, and then I looked at the price. > > W

CF8 Sticker Shock

2007-08-07 Thread Matthew Blatchley
I started to talk to our higher ups about getting an Enterprise edition of CF8, and then I looked at the price. We've got CF, PHP, and .NET developers here and now I've been trumped because of the price of CF8they'll never go for a application server that costs almost 8k. Anyone else f