Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-14 Thread Maureen
She's a former beauty pageant contestant. She dreams of Jimmy Choos. They'll probably have a Sarah Palin signature model hunting boot for the next fashion season. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast i

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
woo-hoo! On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Gruss wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign. >> > > np - but in the interest of keeping the wise-ass levels at enjoyable > heights, my preference is that you keep up the accusations. ~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign. > np - but in the interest of keeping the wise-ass levels at enjoyable heights, my preference is that you keep up the accusations. ~| Adobe® ColdFusio

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Gruss wrote: > > For the record, I don't work for the Obama Campaign, not even on a > volunteer basis; I'm just a contributor & supporter. > ~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> GrussGott wrote: > yes > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Beth wrote: >> >> >> Does gruss work for the obama campaign? >> For the record, I don't work for the Obama Campaign, not even on a volunteer basis; I'm just a contributor & supporter. ~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Dana
apparently there is a lot going on in the emails I am filtering. Maybe I should take a look (pause). Naw. I kinda get the flavor :) On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lol, touche! > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Judahwrote: >> >>> So now the Obama camp

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
lol, touche! On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Judahwrote: > >> So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots. >> My work here is done. >> > > This from the man who just said "the weenie liberal establishment Obama > clan". Nice "work". Stay classy and here's hoping you end

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
this is just friendly ribbing between gruss and i On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Beth wrote: >> Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the >> weenie liberal establishment Obama clan. > > > Is this something we look for in leadership? the ability to kill animals? > > > I

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
yes On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Beth wrote: > > > Does gruss work for the obama campaign? > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Beth In Alaska
>> And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast in Jimmy Choos. I doubt Palin has ever heard of Jimmy Choos. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Beth In Alaska
> Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the > weenie liberal establishment Obama clan. Is this something we look for in leadership? the ability to kill animals? I find it weird that people who get pleasure from hunting and killing humans are psychopaths but that people

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Beth In Alaska
> So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots. > My work here is done. Does gruss work for the obama campaign? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots. > My work here is done. > This from the man who just said "the weenie liberal establishment Obama clan". Nice "work". Stay classy and here's hoping you

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots. My work here is done. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Gruss wrote: > PS - "chipping a nail" isn't sexist. Michele Obama (and my wife) > could give a fuck about that. It intelligentist - only stupid people > care about shall

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > No one is afraid of her- Well you're right in that I am afraid of morons in office - and Palin definitely ain't the brightest bulb on the shelf. That's why it was a wholly irresponsible pick for McCain. It was a political one. But plenty of Americans like her as a leader. And

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-13 Thread Dana
did you though :) because I don't think we read the same aticle. She is worried that Palin will co-opt the title, not saying that she is a feminist :) On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just making sure ;-) > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dana wrote: >

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
just making sure ;-) On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dana wrote: > Dude, I read the article. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
Dude, I read the article. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Camille Paglia disagrees with you. > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Dana wrote: >> I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly >> different sentence. > > ~~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
Camille Paglia disagrees with you. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Dana wrote: > I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly > different sentence. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and d

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
No one is afraid of her- except for the entire Democratic leadership and the Obama campaign. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Gruss wrote: >> GG wrote: >> Nobody is afraid of Palin. The only way she'd win against, say, Putin >> is if she struck before he stopped laughing. >> > > And from what I

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
Wow, now the REAL sexist comments come out from the Obama campaign. She doesn't want to chip a nail? You guys are getting seriously desperate. BTW, in case you forgot, Michelle Obama isn't running for office. Her husband is. Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the weenie

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly different sentence. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gruss said Michelle Obama was a role model and implied by extension > that Sarah Palin was not. The latter point is essentially what the > att

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
They're all afraid of Palin. That's why they sent the troops to Alaska to dig dirt. Next moves is bump Biden for Hillary. Otherwise it's over and she has to go back to her senators wife job macking big money as a community organizer. She did introduce Barry to Ayers and gang didn't she. That scar

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> GG wrote: > Nobody is afraid of Palin. The only way she'd win against, say, Putin > is if she struck before he stopped laughing. > And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast in Jimmy Choos. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 so

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > 1. Killing a dangerous animal. > 2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around > the world. See number 1. See, that's where you know people are making bad choices. Palin just plays the huntress, but she's really more interested in not chipping a nail. Mich

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Sounds like an excellent candidate for dog catcher. That is what she's running for right? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Killing a dangerous animal. > 2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around > the world. See number 1. > > >

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
1. Killing a dangerous animal. 2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around the world. See number 1. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Gruss wrote: > So how about you? Which situation(s) would you prefer Palin in over Michele?

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her > husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to > be the ambitious one? > I was doing a comparative analysis not an either/or Which basically concluded that I couldn't think of a single situ

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Right after you show me the center executive are correct. Huh? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;273904

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
Gruss said Michelle Obama was a role model and implied by extension that Sarah Palin was not. The latter point is essentially what the attempted character assassination in the press has been all about- convincing women in particular who like Sarah Palin and identify with her that she is not a role

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
Right after you show me the center executive are correct. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So now show me something that says these critics are correct? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 softwa

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
They haven't taken the program to the point where it helps the community. It takes it just far enough to save them a bundle and give the hospital and upscale aura. There's nothing to indicate that they ever will. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Si, co

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Si, comprende. Could they put more money into the program? Yes they could. But you don't start a program by throwing all your money at it. Its a pilot program, they've made some changes based on feedback and it will continue to grow and, I hope, "save a whole bunch of community health centers". To

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Comprende the next two paragraphs? > > Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million > last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the > program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only > affluent patients with insurance. > > "

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the hospital to > help with the non emergencies, or donate doctor hours to clinics that > are overloaded. Like all the other hospitals do. I could have sworn your article said that they did provide doctors to the clinics... ~~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Ian Skinner
Robert Munn wrote: > And being Governor of Alaska isn't ambitious? And this is mutually exclusive? If one is ambitious then by definition the other can not be? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramat

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
Comprende the next two paragraphs? Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only affluent patients with insurance. "If you put enough money i

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
You got me. I read it again and still can't comprehend how determined it was internal charity. The hospital told state regulators it spent $10 million on charity care for the poor in fiscal 2007 -- 1.3 percent of its total hospital expenses, according to an analysis performed for The Washington Po

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
That's exactly what they are doing. Go read your own article: "Obama's program has enjoyed favorable news media coverage in Chicago and was eventually expanded into a broader program, the Urban Health Initiative. Under the effort, the hospital has started providing selected clinics with part-time

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
um what is the $2 million doing? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is an overflow issue because the clinics can't keep up. They need > more space and more funds. The hospitals is saying we don't need to > help. If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
::sigh:: no, that would mean they unloaded the problem of the poor on a clinic where they might get treatment. The ER doesn't take thumb sprains and flu real seriously, you know. They have a nasty habit of making you wait until all the people who are in danger of dying have been treated, or until

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
It is an overflow issue because the clinics can't keep up. They need more space and more funds. The hospitals is saying we don't need to help. If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the hospital to help with the non emergencies, or donate doctor hours to clinics that are overloaded. Like a

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
And being Governor of Alaska isn't ambitious? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth wrote: >> So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her >> husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to >> be the ambitious one? > > > Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
That would mean they unloaded the problem of the poor on the clinics and keep the money. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hence, if the program works, the amount that > they spend on charity cases should go down.

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
They aren't sending heart attack patients with no insurance to the clinics. It's not not an overflow issue, its about the type of care required. I have no idea what your medical background is, but suffice to say, different medical groups have different sorts of specializations. If a poor black pers

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Must be since the figure you are citing is how much they spend internally on patients that they never get reimbursed for (ie people without insurance, medicaid, etc and no ability to pay) and I'm talking about a 2 million outlay to fund programs that reduce the number of patients that fall in that

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
They are a tax exempt not for profit hospital in the middle of a very poor area. And they send the unprofitable patients to clinics. Why not let the clinics send there overflow to the hospital? Because that hospital is now meant for the upperclass. If you want to accept tax dollars for helping the

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
> That is below the 2.1 percent average for nonprofit hospitals in Cook County. I'm thinking it is:) On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess it > must be a reading comprehension issue then. > > Judah ~~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
Her salary jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office. And Then he earmarked $1 million for the hospital. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth Fleischer > > Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,0

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
They think that many people could be better helped in a clinic that is better suited to their needs. They established a program to help fund those other groups and steer appropriate patients their way. In what way, pray tell, is this not helping those patients? I did not see a single instance of an

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
Her salary jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth Fleischer > > Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,000 a year hospital exec > job. Thats ambitious. >

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
No, the part where they spend $2 million a year on the program over and above the money they spend on charity care within their hospital. I guess it must be a reading comprehension issue then. Judah On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This part? > > The hospital to

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Beth Fleischer
> So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her > husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to > be the ambitious one? Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,000 a year hospital exec job. Thats ambitious. ~

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to be the ambitious one? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gruss wrote: >> Judah wrote: >> My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel. > > I was just ribbing Sammy. I mean h

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
It's a not for profit and should help all the people since it's taking public money. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I do so apologize for supporting a market-based solution to a public > problem. I keep forgetting to hate places that make money, ev

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
This part? The hospital told state regulators it spent $10 million on charity care for the poor in fiscal 2007 -- 1.3 percent of its total hospital expenses, according to an analysis performed for The Washington Post by the bipartisan, nonprofit Center for Tax and Budget Accountability. That is be

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
And I do so apologize for supporting a market-based solution to a public problem. I keep forgetting to hate places that make money, even when they are doing good. I'm a lousy liberal sometimes. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Perhaps you missed the part

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Perhaps you missed the part of the article you linked to where it said the hospital is giving 2 million a year to those community clinics, plans on expanding that and is working to help bring in grants. Judah On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why stress the wealt

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
Why stress the wealthy? Keep the poor where they belong? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam wrote: >> The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to >> under funded and overstressed clinics? > > Because underfunded and overstressed eme

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
hehe you are bringing logic to a stupid fight. I am surre Sam is opposed to funding for those overstressed clinics, right? I thought to. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam wrote: >> The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to >> un

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I'm sorry, I forgot you like to worship your false idols. Beer is NOT false! It's real I tell you, and it's tasty. That's right, my idol is real-n-tasty. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important a

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
as long as the community clinics exist and have capacity why would this not be a good thing? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I read that article when it first came out. A lot of the criticism I > see in that article seems to be coming from the view

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to > under funded and overstressed clinics? Because underfunded and overstressed emergency rooms is just a so much better choice. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion®

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Kicking the less fortunate to the street to make money doesn't sound > like the democrat theme. > > So you're a Michele supporter! Welcome to the club! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
I'm sorry, I forgot you like to worship your false idols. It's rude of me to interupt with harsh facts. Let me know when it's acceptable for me to discuss the downside of the woman you worship so much while pissing on Palin. I'll wait. :P On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Sam
The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to under funded and overstressed clinics? Kicking the less fortunate to the street to make money doesn't sound like the democrat theme. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But do you really thi

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel. I was just ribbing Sammy. I mean here I talk about how I think Michele's a role model and, rather than contribute his version of a role model, Sammy tears down mine by explaining how Michele really is Satan's minion. He can't help it. It's hi

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel. Who is from Illinois of course but didn't have anything to do with this project as far as I knew. Though I'm not particularly keen on him, I didn't think of him as a villain. Then I realized that's probably not what you meant. And that I should stop following pol

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > I'm just not seeing how anyone is coming out a villain here. > Hint: the villain's name rhymes with damn. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Yes, I read that article when it first came out. A lot of the criticism I see in that article seems to be coming from the view point that it must be bad because the hospital has a financial interest in it. And no one, including me, said that the program didn't have the hospital's financial interest

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-12 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > How do you reach women who believe that Sarah Palin is a successful, > powerful woman and a role model? Send a letter to their TV station? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic re

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Dana
I don't think I have done any of those things actually. It has probably been done -- but that is not my point. My point is that womanpower is being made into the latest Republican issue, presumably replacing gay marriage. I can see that it (the aleged support not the issue itself) is a crock but th

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Robert Munn
How do you reach women who believe that Sarah Palin is a successful, powerful woman and a role model? You acknowledge her success and her importance instead of attempting at every turn to dismiss, marginalize, and destroy her. How about that for a starting point? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, D

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Robert Munn
you're welcome. i don't think she would say that she is the end-all-be-all of feminism either, just another woman's voice. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:10 AM, denstar wrote: > Hey Rob, I meant to say thanks for posting that Paglia link. She is a > good writer. > > I don't think she's the end-all-be-

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Beth In Alaska
care for but wait until its very serious and a trip to the ER is needed. This is costly and bad for the health system at large. - Original Message - From: "Judah McAuley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:10 PM Subj

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Sam
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/21/AR2008082103646_pf.html They don't all agree with you. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Sends them away"? No, the program in question tries to get patients to > other medical care that is b

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Judah McAuley
"Sends them away"? No, the program in question tries to get patients to other medical care that is better suited to their needs. Emergency rooms are expensive to both the hospital and the patient and they are geared toward treating..wait for it...emergencies. With declining numbers of people having

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Sam
Her pay tripled because Obama earmarked millions for her hospital. How about helping the poor? She sends them away. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article U. of C. shunning poor patients? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Dana
I understand the sentiment and I agreee with it actually. This woman is NOT a feminist. (Charging rape victims for rape kits?? WTF) I also think that the author is right that the Democratic party machine messed up yet again in its quest to not seem too radical. (Someone please tell them to get ov

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> Billy wrote: > +10 for the article, but I have to make one observation... > Yeah, great article. But compare Michele Obama's "I'm not asking for a hand out, I'm asking for an opportunity" type of both feminism and racism to Palin's. I don't think you can fault Palin for not setting out to X; w

RE: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread Billy Cox
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:12 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article. Which leads us to my greatest nightmare: that because my own party has not cared enough, or was too scared, to lay its rightful claim to the language of

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-11 Thread denstar
Hey Rob, I meant to say thanks for posting that Paglia link. She is a good writer. I don't think she's the end-all-be-all on feminism, but it was an entertaining read. -- can't go on / thinking, nothing's wrong who's gonna drive you home, tonight On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Robert Munn w

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
This woman drank the Steinem Kool-Aid years ago, apparently. Read Camille Paglia. Now that's a woman who supports women's power, and she doesn't have a political litmus test for it, either. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Beth wrote: > How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment?

Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment? And how did I, a die-hard feminist, end up terrified at the idea of a woman in the White House? By Rebecca Traister Sep. 11, 2008 | I have been dreaming about Sarah Palin. (Apparently, I'm not alone.) I wish I could say that I'd been