yup.
just happy she spoke up for us all!
word.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> I think at times we are all guilty of that dude. :D
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>>
>> yeah.
>> what she said.
>>
>> i retract previous statements. sorry.
>>
>> :) iv
I think at times we are all guilty of that dude. :D
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
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> yeah.
> what she said.
>
> i retract previous statements. sorry.
>
> :) ive learned to shutup first, then read, then listen, then give opinion.
>
> i apologize.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1
Wow..pretty much mailed how I feel as well.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
>
> What she said.
>
>
>
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yeah.
what she said.
i retract previous statements. sorry.
:) ive learned to shutup first, then read, then listen, then give opinion.
i apologize.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-30
Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
What she said.
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If I just got home from the airport, having gone through Logan, and find my
house had been broken into while I was gone, was tired, suffering from the
flu, and a cop appeared on my porch accusing me of breaking in to my own
house, I might not have handled it well.
Regardless of race.
I might say
To be clear, I don't mean threat as in a physical danger, I mean threat as
in "I am going to make your life more difficult"
"1-800-how is my driving"
"Let me talk to your manager"
"I play golf with your boss"
"You will be hearing from my attorney"
"Give me your name and badge number".
It puts th
>
> And, truthfully, I cannot necessarily fault Gates for being all irate. I
> probably would be too.
>
Why would you be irate? The police officer is trying to do his job. A
crime was reported, he was investigating.
I have asked this question like 4 times and no one has answered.
If it was your
I agree that simply asking for a police officer's name and badge
number do not constitute a threat, but I would say that a statement
like 'I will rain down hell on you' would constitute a threat.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Scott St
Right.
And my understanding is that the police officer disengaged at that point,
and left the house. He called in Harvard Police to take it over.
A good step. The right action.
At which point Mr Gates followed him onto the porch, and kept yelling.
(Not the right action, but maybe not actionabl
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Asking a cop for his badge number is about as threatening as it is
> racist for a cop to ask a minority for ID...especially when the police
> officer is investigating a reported crime. Oh, and I am sorry, saying
> you would 'rain down hell' on
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> Regardless of the job, when your customer starts threatening to go to your
> boss with a complaint, the relationship HAS to change.
>
> Do you disagree with that thought?
I agree the relationship has to change. In my experience that means
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>> If in fact Gates was threatening the cop by asking for his badge number, and
>> promising to rain hell down on him, in front of other cops and witnesses,
>> the police officer's abil
Regardless of the job, when your customer starts threatening to go to your
boss with a complaint, the relationship HAS to change.
Do you disagree with that thought?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> > If in fact Ga
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> If in fact Gates was threatening the cop by asking for his badge number, and
> promising to rain hell down on him, in front of other cops and witnesses,
> the police officer's ability to just "walk away" may have been limited for
> both pride
Probably true.
EXCEPT
If in fact Gates was threatening the cop by asking for his badge number, and
promising to rain hell down on him, in front of other cops and witnesses,
the police officer's ability to just "walk away" may have been limited for
both pride and legal and professional reasons.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Dana wrote:
> Bottom line, the man was in his own home. Once that is established,
> the man is a taxpayer and part of your customer base
Bottom line - sometimes a guy can be such jerk they deserve to be
punched directly in the face.
Also, sometimes cops go ov
According to the police, and to witnesses, this is what the policeman was
_trying_ to do.
It was after the policeman left the house, after he had verified the ID and
called Harvard police to come and take over, that Gates followed him out
onto the street and continued to yell.
(this assumes the
"doucher" huh.
Bottom line, the man was in his own home. Once that is established, the man
is a taxpayer and part of your customer base. The officer should have told
him to have a nice evening and left, whether Gates was an irate asshole or
not. It is not a crime to be irate, or an asshole, on yo
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Do you have a copy of Gate's statement of the incident?
He's been all over the news shows. Don't need a transcript of the
statement. He's got a couple hours of airtime you can watch.
-Cameron
~
Do you have a copy of Gate's statement of the incident?
2009/7/23 Bill Wheatley :
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> Yea the guy gates was a douche. The cop was finally like whatever i'm
> leaving if you want to be difficult i know its your house so cya. So then
> the douche follows him outside to keep going with the racist no
Yea the guy gates was a douche. The cop was finally like whatever i'm
leaving if you want to be difficult i know its your house so cya. So then
the douche follows him outside to keep going with the racist non-sense. He's
such a racist that he teachs the class about how to not racially profile and
Actually, there are laws preventing you from yelling to high heaven on
your door step. And someone with tourettes is using uncontrolled
outbursts, not controlled ones. And would not follow to continue. But
I think you're missing that one little thing. They left. He followed.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009
I can't say. It sounds like the cops showed up after a report of an
attempted break-in, investigated said break-in and were leaving when
Gates came outside and starting yelling at them. We don't know what
was said by either party inside the house, so, until we do, we can't
judge one way or anothe
Maybe. Maybe not. One person may be "thank you for checking officer".
Another might be indignant. Still, there is appropriate and
non-appropriate actions and he's supposed to be a role model. But
again, we only know what the media is telling us.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> D
So, you think its OK to break the law as ling as you do so in your own house?
Maybe he does have tourettes, but its just as likely he was being a
pompous dickhead.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Ras Tafari wrote:
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> if i wanna yell on my doorstep to the high heavens, holy fucking shit, leave
Hm. The article seems to imply that more than one thing was said.
OK, lets try this out. A cop comes to check on the house. I show him
that its my house and call him an anti-semite for checking and ask if
he knows who I am. He leaves. I follow him, still berating him. He
arrests me after this. Am
if i wanna yell on my doorstep to the high heavens, holy fucking shit, leave
me alone and let me yell, its my house. i own the motherfucker, not to
mention it was
in broad daylight, not at night...
what if he has tourettes and thats part of what happens??
jesus christ, this case is a joke, cut a
Do you think he had reason to be upset?
2009/7/22 Scott Stroz :
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> They did not arrest him in his house, they arrested him after he came
> outside after them and starting yelling.
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They can if you are yelling it loudly in public - that is called being
disorderly.
They did not arrest him in his house, they arrested him after he came
outside after them and starting yelling.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> lol
>
> So a cop can arrest you if you yell at him t
lol
So a cop can arrest you if you yell at him that he's an Anti Semite?
What part of the US do you live in that has these laws?
I agree with Tony, it was the man's house.
2009/7/22 Michael Dinowitz :
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> Did you read the article or just Gel's summary? Lets see if I get this
> straight
> 1. in
That is a good point Michael. He was not arrested for trying to get
into his own house, he was arrested for being disorderly after he
followed the cops outside. So, it seems to me like its possible the
cops were leaving and Gates just could not let that happen.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Mi
Did you read the article or just Gel's summary? Lets see if I get this straight
1. investigation of possible break in.
2. door not opened (trouble after being jammed)
3. yelling at cops after identification being checked
4. exited the house, still yelling
5. arrest
If it was just a case of showin
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> The tone of the article suggests, to me, that the cops have already
> been proven guilty.
Do racist cops exist? Certainly.
Do some people walk around with a chip on their shoulder about their
race? Definitely.
Which is it in this case? We
its his house!
hello. check his damn drivers license and move on... how hard can that be?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Michael
Dinowitz wrote:
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> Until there is an investigation, we have a case of "he said, she said"
> (or he said, they said).
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ras Tafar
Until there is an investigation, we have a case of "he said, she said"
(or he said, they said).
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ras Tafari wrote:
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> they are FUCKING WRONG, it was the mans fucking house.
> jesus christ. how much more cut and dry can a case be???
>
> i WISH they'd try to do thi
If you were trying to pry open the door on your own house, and the
cops came by and you said 'It's OK, it's my house' and they just said
'OK' and left without asking for ID, you'd be OK with that? If it was
me and the cops started to leave without asking for ID, I would call
them out on it. That
they are FUCKING WRONG, it was the mans fucking house.
jesus christ. how much more cut and dry can a case be???
i WISH they'd try to do this shit to me at my own house... i pray.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Michael
Dinowitz wrote:
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> They've already been convicted in the media.
>
>> These
Please show me where I said that. Because I do not see where I said
the cops should get away with any inappropriate behavior. All I was
saying is that it seems like a lot of people are already convinced of
the guilt of the police in this instance without knowing the facts.
You admitted as much in
They've already been convicted in the media.
> These cops are innocent until proven guilty..at this point we only have
> an allegation, and that is what the story is about.
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The tone of the article suggests, to me, that the cops have already
been proven guilty.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, G Money wrote:
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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>> I think sometimes we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt
>> until we know all the facts.
According to your logic then because its a dangerous job we should let the
police get away with violating people's civil rights if the stories are
different?
>Its been reported that Gates called the cops 'racist'. I would be
>interested to now if he said that and when. Was it when the cops
>ap
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> I think sometimes we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt
> until we know all the facts. But I guess ' innocent until proven
> guilty' only applies to low life scum bag criminals.
>
Who says the cops are not getting the benefit of
>From my understanding, that yelling etc happened after Gates showed the police
>his ID. The police have a very different story. However given that this isn't
>the first time its happened with the Cambridge police I'm more inclined to
>believe Gates.
>Its been reported that Gates called the c
Its been reported that Gates called the cops 'racist'. I would be
interested to now if he said that and when. Was it when the cops
approached him? Was it when they asked for ID? Was it after he showed
ID and they still gave him shit?
To me it matters. If the cops approached him (or when he was a
*snickers quietly*
:)
2009/7/22 Bruce Sorge :
>
> Hang on folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
>
> Bruce
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Vivec wrote:
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html
>
> "Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., one of the nation's
> pre-eminent African-American scholars, was arrested Thursday afternoon
> at his home by Cambr
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html
"Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., one of the nation's
pre-eminent African-American scholars, was arrested Thursday afternoon
at his home by Cambridge police investigating a possible break-in. The
incident raised concerns
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