RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Skinner
An overhaul with 10 year newer technology. A whole lot can happen in an emerging industry in 10 years. You might not even WANT that old system anymore in ten years, depending on what's available. -Cameron Well, of course, I will be trading in at the time for what is available in my price ran

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2005-10-26 Thread Cameron Childress
On 10/26/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, the hybrid battery (HV) is a single large battery located near the > center of gravity of the vehicle. I suspect in ten years time, there will > be a nice industry of replacing and refurbishing these kinds of batteries. > So a replacement

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Skinner
10 years is a pretty long time for a car battery, much less a whole battery management system with multiple batteries. -Cameron IIRC, the hybrid battery (HV) is a single large battery located near the center of gravity of the vehicle. I suspect in ten years time, there will be a nice industry

Re: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Cameron Childress
e with a warranty of more than 10 years. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:03 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In > > The battery is only warranted f

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Scott Stewart
Rockville, MD 20852 (301) 770-9610 -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:37 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In 2006 Jeeps don't have the 7/70 My two jeeps have run great, my old 93 had

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2005-10-26 Thread Nick McClure
y fix that when it warms back up. The leak is so small right now it doesn't cause any problems. > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay T

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Scott Stewart
al Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:03 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In How long is your engine warrantied? How about your transmission? I don't know of any vehicle with a warranty of mor

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Ketsdever
wn Dr Rockville, MD 20852 (301) 770-9610 -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:00 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In >> Not getting the gas mileage that the mfg's assert. You

Re: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
0 Parklawn Dr > Rockville, MD 20852 > (301) 770-9610 > > -Original Message- > From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In > > >> Not getting

Re: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> Matthew wrote: > Have you ever really thought about that statement - "Save the Planet"? I think what's implicit is to save it for comfortable and enjoyable human occupation. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help De

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-26 Thread Matthew Small
ctober 25, 2005 6:22 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In The point isn't saving money. The point is saving the planet. On 10/25/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jessica and I looked at the Ford Escape Hybrid and then bought the V6

Re: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Jim Campbell
>. The electric motors have tons of torque Very true. The Prius officially has a less-than-80-horsepower engine (73 or 78, can't remember), but the acceleration with the engine and the electric motor cranking together is terrific. It's very quick from a complete stop, and it's great in moder

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Nick McClure
25, 2005 6:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In After you add up the total cost difference, at $2.00 a gallon for gas it would have taken us like 7 years to break even. And that doesn't include higher costs for servicing and part replacement. I had a simi

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Nick McClure
Yeah, I know it isn't true but around here it seems like I go up more than I go down. -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:34 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In Yeah, it also de

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2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Graeme
I agree, which is why we ended up just buying a used Corolla instead of the Prius. Same basic platform, just with conventional tech. We get about 40 mpg on the highway. On 10/25/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah but I can't afford to do that. > > I would have loved to have help

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Skinner
Yeah, it also depends greatly on the area, hilly areas aren't very well suited as I understand. If you go up and down equally, it is not so bad. I got the best gas mileage of my trip going up and down the grapevine to get to LA last week. Downs are good, no gas used. Ups are not so good. So

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Nick McClure
Yeah, it also depends greatly on the area, hilly areas aren't very well suited as I understand. -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:28 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In I read si

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Skinner
After you add up the total cost difference, at $2.00 a gallon for gas it would have taken us like 7 years to break even. And that doesn't include higher costs for servicing and part replacement. I had a similar calculation between a new Corolla and the Prius, but the gas is $2.80 here in Califo

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2005-10-25 Thread Ray Champagne
I don't think that too many of us disagree with you. It's just not an option when you're not financially able to do so. Kevin Graeme wrote: > The point isn't saving money. The point is saving the planet. > > On 10/25/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Jessica and I looked at the F

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2005-10-25 Thread Nick McClure
Yeah but I can't afford to do that. I would have loved to have helped out, but given our needs, our bank won out over the earth. -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:22 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Hyrids - WAS Re:

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2005-10-25 Thread Ian Skinner
Well, from what I have read, the mileages that they ARE getting aren't even close. I mean, WAY off. Wish I still had the article to back up what I'm talking about, but it wasn't close. To be fair, the Prius has been around the longest, and I seem to remember that Toyota had it closer than an

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2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Graeme
The point isn't saving money. The point is saving the planet. On 10/25/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jessica and I looked at the Ford Escape Hybrid and then bought the V6 > > After you add up the total cost difference, at $2.00 a gallon for gas it > would have taken us like 7 yea

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Nick McClure
n offer an extended warrantee for that one. -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In Honestly, I'd not mind a Prius or the some of the new Hybrid SUV&#x

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2005-10-25 Thread Ray Champagne
Answers/questions inline Ian Skinner wrote: >>>Not getting the gas mileage that the mfg's assert. > > > You don't get the gas mileage that the mfg's assert on ANY car. The posted > mileage is an EPA "Ideal" formula that all mfg's use. I'm getting between 47 > and 49 MPG a tank real world o

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Skinner
More then about anything else in the car, a replacement would cost a few grand IIRC from the dealership this past spring. "Only ten years," you have a longer warranty on your power train? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA "C code. C co

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Scott Stewart
(301) 770-9610 -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:00 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In >> Not getting the gas mileage that the mfg's assert. You don't get the gas mil

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Skinner
>> Not getting the gas mileage that the mfg's assert. You don't get the gas mileage that the mfg's assert on ANY car. The posted mileage is an EPA "Ideal" formula that all mfg's use. I'm getting between 47 and 49 MPG a tank real world on my Prius. It's working for me. >>I NEVER would buy a

RE: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Scott Stewart
tober 25, 2005 5:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In Honestly, I'd not mind a Prius or the some of the new Hybrid SUV's that I've seen reviewed in Wired, among other magazines. However here are my problems with them: Not getting the gas mileage t

Hyrids - WAS Re: Delay Turns Himself In

2005-10-25 Thread Ray Champagne
Honestly, I'd not mind a Prius or the some of the new Hybrid SUV's that I've seen reviewed in Wired, among other magazines. However here are my problems with them: Not getting the gas mileage that the mfg's assert I NEVER would buy a first-year model, too many bugs and recalls, etc The cost o