Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128715 (IsraelNN.com) News coverage of the violent expulsion of Jews from Peace House is also showing a video of an incident which immediately followed the expulsion, in which a Jew is seen firing a handgun at an Arab in Hevron and then is pelted by

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JJ wrote: > > I cannot comment on what happened before or after this, but the > aggressors > > in this case definitely appear to be the guy without the gun. > > > > First off, the guy with the gun didn't seem to be threaten

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
For shooting in the air when threatened by a mob? I guess Israel has a different law where stoning someone is not a crime while shooting in the air in self defense is. > > I'm going to. > > I'm sure of the law in Israel, but I hope that shooter is charged and > convicted of attempted murder in the

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
A group known to forge their statistics and manipulate video shows a portion of video which looks like 2 people (not settlers, not criminals, not colonists, people with legal homes) are threatening innocent arabs. Nothing about them being attacked with rocks before. Nothing about them shooting in t

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > My point is that without context, which I do not have even with all of the > reading I have tried to do), I cannot fault either side for their actions. > I'm going to. I'm sure of the law in Israel, but I hope that shooter is charged and convicted of attempted murder in the 1st degr

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
It looked to me like they were _all_ on a street. Are streets not public there? was that a private road? (I don't know this answer) I would not have been waving the gun around, which is a stupid thing to do. But if I had a gun, and was accosted in such a way by these 5 guys, with more behind them

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > You just argued 2 sides of the same argument. > > Which was it? He didn't use deadly force, or he tried to murder them? > My point was that the use of the gun was not justified even ignoring any issues about who's property was who's. The gun owner had no reason to have it out and he

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
You just argued 2 sides of the same argument. Which was it? He didn't use deadly force, or he tried to murder them? If the guy is standing on my yard with a gun, i dont rush him with friends, i walk back in my house and call the police. Again. Rushing him is sure to get someone shot. And someone

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > I cannot comment on what happened before or after this, but the aggressors > in this case definitely appear to be the guy without the gun. > First off, the guy with the gun didn't seem to be threatened enough to use deadly force no matter what was going on. Secondly, the way I read

Re: Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
Not that I agree with the settlers, but watching this video, I see 2 men backing away from a group, one brandishing a pistol at what appears to be a growing mob armed with rocks. They are being pushed and grabbed by 2 men, then 4 men, with a 5th rushing at them, and a few just out of camera range o

Jewish Settler Guns Down Palestinians

2008-12-05 Thread Gruss Gott
Fecking ridiculous: The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has released graphic video footage showing settlers fighting with Palestinians in Hebron and shooting two men at close range in the hours after a settler house was evacuated by police yesterday. The film, recorded by a Palestinian reside