Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
Jerry, if you are actually trying to follow this (though I don't know why cause I wish *I* wasn't) Look at the bridges over the Anacostia river. South Capitol Street is one. Pennsylvania Avenue is another one, further um either east or northeast. >Why oh why isn't there a damn map on site? How

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
I did read the damn thing. I see lots of pictures but no location, or any mention of it replacing anything, which is why I did not see it as incompatible with Jerry's link. It does mention Anacostia waterfront, which would imply the South Capitol Street bridge not Pennsylvania Avenue, but you're

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Gel wrote: > A 'significan't number of muslims? How many muslims are there in the > world? How many of htem are terrorists? If you define terrorism as the wanton destruction of property, then hundreds of thousands. That's pretty significant. Had a small group been responsible, ok, but we're ta

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Well, Sarajevo Yugoslovia is probably the closest we've had. It was part of the Ottoman empire as recently as 100 years before the Olympics, and it had a very large Muslim population. I think at this point, Muslims may be a majority in the city, but I don't think they were at the time of the olymp

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread William Bowen
> The real question is "Has an Arab or African Nation bid on the games" good question. will -- "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Message: http://www.house

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
5:08 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > Summer games > Winter Games Seems the answer is a resounding no. :-( will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unac

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread William Bowen
> Summer games > Winter Games Seems the answer is a resounding no. :-( will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lis

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Kevin Graeme
On 2/7/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anybody know if there's been an Olympics held in a Muslim or Arab > state? Have any African nations been hosts? Turkey? Summer games Athens - 1896 Paris - 1900 St. Louis - 1904 Athens - 1906 London - 1908 Stockholm - 1912 Berlin - cancelled

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Why oh why isn't there a damn map on site? How can I be missing it? This is all I found: "The new ballpark will be located at the base of the South Capitol Street Bridge along the Anacostia Waterfront" That is not enough for me to locate exactly where the darn thing is. On 2/7/06, Scott Stewar

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:14 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad wow. OK, we can soldier on with this ridiculous argument. I don't follow sports, and a new stadium in DC is very high on a list of things I don't give a damn about. That sai

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread William Bowen
> Survivor: Iraq <> we've got 100,000+ troops playing that right now. Being voted off the island has _real_ real-world implications... :-( will -- "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Tony
HAHAAAHH! now, on the survivor topic, i missed week 1, did i miss much, can i gather what i missed from the web anywhere? and also, do we have a new lost coming out soon? tw On 2/7/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This also gives me another great idea > > Survivor: Iraq ~

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
hehe. You should write it up and present the concept ;) >This also gives me another great idea > >Survivor: Iraq > >;-) > >- Matt > >- Original Message - >From: "William Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" >Sent

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
01) 770-9610 x 335 > >-Original Message- >From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:48 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > >I know nothing about DC (having only been 9 when we moved away from >t

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Chesty Puller
This also gives me another great idea Survivor: Iraq ;-) - Matt - Original Message - From: "William Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad >> Uhmmm.. probably not unt

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread William Bowen
> Uhmmm.. probably not until they can guarantee the safety of the athletes, in > about 100 years or so... 100? That might be a little optimistic...after all we'll (or rather our grandchillins) still be neck-deep in the War on Terror(TM) at that point, no? Maybe we can have a set of test summer ga

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
Johnson) >used to be (that's in Maryland BTW, the state above DC) > >Stick to what ya know kiddo, 'cause DC geography and statistics ain't it. > > > > >Scott A. Stewart >Webmaster/ Developer > > >11820 Parklawn Dr >Rockville, MD 20852 >(301

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
, February 07, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad You've got me thinking... when is Iraq going to get the Olympics? After all, it's a free democracy now. - Matt - Original Message - From: "Scott Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: &qu

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Chesty Puller
You've got me thinking... when is Iraq going to get the Olympics? After all, it's a free democracy now. - Matt - Original Message - From: "Scott Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: RE: M

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
al Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:48 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad I know nothing about DC (having only been 9 when we moved away from there), but google returned this as the firt search page for "nationals

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Pakistan is not an Arab country. It's ethnically Indian but Muslim. This is it's only connection to the rest of the Muslim world. It has nukes but has not exported them to other countries. Is it free? Freer than just about every other Muslim country this side of Egypt. But that brings up the que

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
Thank you. I probably should have specified new in my search. So, no, it is not RFK. It is however on the Capitol Hill side of the river != Anacostia. ::shrug:: Very much a side issue in the discussion, but I am glad that's resolved. > I know nothing about DC (having only been 9 when we moved a

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
Rockville, MD 20852 (301) 770-9610 x 335 -Original Message- From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:42 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad this is in reference to RFK? I tried to be careful to say I was not sure this was

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
I hear ya ;) >I won't. But I would like others to stop trying to put the cap on me >while I wasn't looking. > >;) > > >On 2/7/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If the cap doesn't fit, don't wear it. ~| Message: http://www.h

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
I know nothing about DC (having only been 9 when we moved away from there), but google returned this as the firt search page for "nationals new ballpark dc" http://www.jdland.com/dc/stadium.cfm Maybe someone can look at the map and say... On 2/7/06, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
Pakistan is a free country then, according to you? I was doing something else last night, and only had so much time to look, and ran into the expected difficulties, but did find several news stories about demonstrators in Arab countries being arrested. I am not really sure what it is you say doe

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread dana tierney
n Dr >Rockville, MD 20852 >(301) 770-9610 x 335 > >-Original Message- >From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:55 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > >It's my impression of this entire thread

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Tony
i guess i begrudgingly i do not understand the use of begrudge in this sentence :) tw On 2/7/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You said you don't, then you gave two examples that agreed with me...i'm > confuzzled. > > > hmmm, i dont. i support roethlisberger, but im not going to die for him. >

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
You said you don't, then you gave two examples that agreed with me...i'm confuzzled. > hmmm, i dont. i support roethlisberger, but im not going to die for him. > i support coldfusion and the idea of web server technologies that give > me data, but im not dying for it. > > tw > > > On 2/7/06, G <

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Tony
hmmm, i dont. i support roethlisberger, but im not going to die for him. i support coldfusion and the idea of web server technologies that give me data, but im not dying for it. tw On 2/7/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just have a hard time begrudging those people who support an idea, but

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
I just have a hard time begrudging those people who support an idea, but can't justify sacrificing _everything_ for it. > Sounds good except there are many examples of people who have tried and > died > for freedom. Remember Tiananmen? Everyone there KNEW that they were going > up > against a f

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yep, they are tricky that way. That is actually hillarious. Also very sad. On 2/7/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's the Jews. It's always the Jews. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Sounds good except there are many examples of people who have tried and died for freedom. Remember Tiananmen? Everyone there KNEW that they were going up against a force that would not spare them or show them any mercy but they still did for principle. > It's interesting, I would like to think

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
OK, the thread is over. The point is moot. Denmark is not to blame. Europe is not to blame. The west is not to blame. The real villian here are time traveling Jews. We heard it right from the mouth of Iran's chief cleric: http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=98121 (IsraelNN.com) The supreme authori

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
> Nope. My position has always been the same and stated 3 times in this > thread. The only 'real' protests against terrorism and extremists take > place > in 'free' countries where there is no threat of death and attack from > those > same terrorists and extremists. > It's interesting, I would l

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Nope. My position has always been the same and stated 3 times in this thread. The only 'real' protests against terrorism and extremists take place in 'free' countries where there is no threat of death and attack from those same terrorists and extremists. > these were posted in answer to the con

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
> Based on the fact that in a previous thread you agreed with all my > points I would have to say no. I should hope not. > > And yes, one of my friends who is a hindu has read the thread as well. > How is that relevant to finding out how Muslims view an article that > referred to their Religion?

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Scott Stewart
: More on the Mohammad It's my impression of this entire thread to date. Them bad Muslims is totally unreasonable. Nuke them from space. Whatever. I've said what I had to say on the topic and I am bored with it now. To clear up a few loose ends, I was puzzled by Tim's post, as I

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
I won't. But I would like others to stop trying to put the cap on me while I wasn't looking. ;) On 2/7/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Yes, they agree that the images were offensive. > Yes, they agree that the republication was a deliberate provocation. > Yes, they agree that the images

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Vivec
"Yes, they agree that the images were offensive. Yes, they agree that the republication was a deliberate provocation. Yes, they agree that the images should not have been published. And they all think that the reaction by Muslims to the cartoons are worse for Islam than the cartoons themselves." A

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Vivec
Based on the fact that in a previous thread you agreed with all my points I would have to say no. And yes, one of my friends who is a hindu has read the thread as well. How is that relevant to finding out how Muslims view an article that referred to their Religion? I think that the decision to pu

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
I actually did that this weekend, Gel. And you know what I got as an overwhelming response? "That is EXACTLY why we moved to the US to raise our kids". and "I am glad I no longer live under Sharia law". Yes, they agree that the images were offensive. Yes, they agree that the republication was a

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Wayne Putterill
On 2/7/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your viewpoint isn't a rant...parts of your last post were. And I think > it's interesting that you are "passing the thread by a few Muslims" in your > search for a "non-skewed" point of view. You passed by any Hindu's? > Buddhists? Christians? Atheist

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Wayne Putterill
Good post, as you say there are more than a few people offended by opinions on this list lately. On 2/7/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And you still don't know where people got the idea? > > A 'significan't number of muslims? How many muslims are there in the > world? How many of htem are

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
>I was actually referring to the thinking of Nazi Germany about the > Jews with that statement. Then say as much, instead of comparing that view to those expressed on the list. > > It isn't a vibe at all, it's the truth which can be proven by pulling > any number of quotes from what's been said

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Vivec
I was actually referring to the thinking of Nazi Germany about the Jews with that statement. It isn't a vibe at all, it's the truth which can be proven by pulling any number of quotes from what's been said about the topic on this list. And, since my judgment may be skewed I passed the thread and t

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread G
> > I put to you again that these were the same attitudes and arguments > used by Hitler's political party, and argued by his followers against > the jews.They are the same arguments used by the colonists against the > Native Americans, or the Caribbean Amerindians.They are the same > arguments use

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Vivec
You know the people arguing Free Speech don't have one flipping clue about the realities of life for a Muslim in Denmark. They have no clue about the religious persecution and blatant bigotry in that country for Muslims. "Jyllands-Posten, which originally published the series of 12 cartoons about

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Vivec
And you still don't know where people got the idea? A 'significan't number of muslims? How many muslims are there in the world? How many of htem are terrorists? I've never met a terrorist, and I know very many muslims as I've pointed out due to the demographics of my island. Then you launch into

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > First of all, I don't defend burning down an embassy. I merely object to > people saying that > these people are inherently different than we are. I don't know who "we" is, but it would seem that some Muslims ARE inherently different than many others and I've given good examples:

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
oh for crying out loud. YOU may call everything in SE Anacostia, but you would be wrong. Where's the Anacostia Metro station? Doh. Dana >The historic district. Right. > >Cause that's all they call anacostia. > >Whatever. > >Listen if you lived here when you say you did, you know that gangs real

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Loathe
ight about whether I hang out a block north of the Anacostia Historic District? Look elsewhere. Tim > -Original Message- > From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:41 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > >

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
this is a map of part of SE. Your point? >http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washington,+DC&ll=38.870086,-76.996608&spn=0.0 >23857,0.053902 > >Tim > >> ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:196058 Archives: http:

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
You still don't get it do you. Anacostia is on the other side of the river. From the link I posted: The Anacostia Historic District is roughly bounded by Martin Luther King Ave. on the west, Good Hope Rd. on the north, Fendall St. and the rear of the Frederick Douglass home on the east, and Ban

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Loathe
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washington,+DC&ll=38.870086,-76.996608&spn=0.0 23857,0.053902 Tim > -Original Message- > From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:06 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Loathe
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/caphillmap.htm He he Ok. Tim > -Original Message- > From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:06 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > > http://www.cr.nps

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc90.htm >um. Half Street is not in Anacostia :) I thought we already did this :) > >Dana > >>Enjoy New Mexico. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:196052 Archives: htt

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
um. Half Street is not in Anacostia :) I thought we already did this :) Dana >>As to hanging out in DC, nobody is saying you should, and the only reason >we're talking about it is that you told me I mischaracterized a neighborhood >you >>apparently can't locate on a map. No reason to discuss it f

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Loathe
>As to hanging out in DC, nobody is saying you should, and the only reason we're talking about it is that you told me I mischaracterized a neighborhood you >apparently can't locate on a map. No reason to discuss it further. Can't locate on a map. I go down to 1/2 street probably once a month or s

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
these were posted in answer to the contention that Muslims do not protest Muslim violence. Mike has refined his contention (or perhaps I misread it). I don't know if I can answer his challenge as there is probably limited english language coverage, but I'll look in a bit. Al-Jazeera maybe, but o

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes, protests in the US and Europe. Now show me ones in the Arab world. It's easy to protest where you have freedom and your life isn't in danger. Actually, that's not true as there were many Chinese in Tiananmen protesting where they didn't have freedom and their lives were in danger. Now let's

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Loathe
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > > the following all seem to say otherwise and were found in the > first two pages of a google search on "muslims protest > extremism." Sure there were lots of artic

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
the following all seem to say otherwise and were found in the first two pages of a google search on "muslims protest extremism." Sure there were lots of articles saying that muslims were protesting, and it was extremism...but there were these too. Perhaps if you don't see these prtests on the

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
First of all, I don't defend burning down an embassy. I merely object to people saying that these people are inherently different than we are. This sort of statement historically precedes some sort of atrocity. I think we should be aware of what we are allowing other people to put in our heads.

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The lack of protests have a really good reason. Protesting extremists tends to make the protesters dead. > Burning down an embassy because a newspaper printed a cartoon is the > height of lawlessness and if there are Muslims that disagree with it, > show me the protests. > > The lack of protests

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> Grussgott wrote: > Funny how everyone that says they got the impression that certain > people were saying that Muslims were inherently bad because of their > religion,or equating Islam to fanaticism and terrorism can't 'grasp' > the concept of the discussion. > Here's the concept in a nutshell:

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
I see a lot of indignation and not much complex thought at all, personally. Dismayingly little complex thought. >Funny how everyone that says they got the impression that certain >people were saying that Muslims were inherently bad because of their >religion,or equating Islam to fanaticism and t

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Vivec
Funny how everyone that says they got the impression that certain people were saying that Muslims were inherently bad because of their religion,or equating Islam to fanaticism and terrorism can't 'grasp' the concept of the discussion. I've actually shown the thread to a few muslims, and they seem

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > It's my impression of this entire thread to date. Them bad Muslims is totally > unreasonable. > Nuke them from space. Whatever. > It's ironic that you're always whining about people not listening and then you throw out hyperbolic nonsense like that. The context of the thread is m

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
It's my impression of this entire thread to date. Them bad Muslims is totally unreasonable. Nuke them from space. Whatever. I've said what I had to say on the topic and I am bored with it now. To clear up a few loose ends, I was puzzled by Tim's post, as I could not place any warehouses in Anac

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Dana, what are you trying to accomplish by saying "All Muslims are evil"? Are you implying that I believe that? What have I ever written that would even remotely give you that impression? Specifics please. In context. On 2/6/06, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my mind? Or do you w

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread dana tierney
In my mind? Or do you want me to try to read the mind of a Muslim? I posit that they see Iraq as anti-Muslim violence. But you know what? I don't care. All Muslims are evil. Fine. Far be it from me to ruffle anyone's prejudices. Dana > But Dana, what does Iraq have to do with Denmark? Are y

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
But Dana, what does Iraq have to do with Denmark? Are you saying that it is their fault Iraq is in turmoil? Or are you saying that those who are angry cannot distinguish between those who are at fault, and those who might look like them? I could easily understand that sort of feeling against the U

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-06 Thread Robert Munn
That is the old-school, strict constitutionalist definition, sure, but the word "democracy" in this context is commonly understood as a synonym for "liberal democracy". But that's just splitting hairs. Everyone knows what a duck looks like, even if you choose to call it a mallard. >You misunde

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-05 Thread Wayne Putterill
On 2/3/06, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm getting it too. Been getting it for weeks. > On 2/3/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > if that's the "vibe" you are getting, then you should be reading more > > carefully. > > > > > For what it's worth I'm getting the same vibe that Gel i

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-04 Thread dana tierney
No, thanks for trying to help, but I did understand that. It is one of Tim's little hobby-horses. Not true of course -- parliamentary democracies do in fact have constitutions and opposition parties -- but yes, it is a familiar objection. As for my sarcastic agreement, I believe you understood

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2006-02-04 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> >We are not a democratic nation. Stop saying that please. > damn right. For the wrong reasons, of course, but quite right. You misunderstand Tim's (and my own) frustration on the differences. The US is *not* a democracy in the absolute defintion of a democracy. Nor is it one by our constituti

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-04 Thread dana tierney
damn right. For the wrong reasons, of course, but quite right. >We are not a democratic nation. Stop saying that please. > >Tim > >> ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195858 Archives: http://www.houseof

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-04 Thread Loathe
We are not a democratic nation. Stop saying that please. Tim > -Original Message- > From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:11 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > > It doesn't matter.

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
See, what bothers me about this whole thread is, we are in Iraq why again? See, to them, we are the abusive spouse> We are killing their citizens and children for no good reason. Shooting familes who are afraid to stop at checkpoints. I am just saying what I think they perceive here, before a ga

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
ok, then this discussion is pointless. >islamic countries actually live, nothing you say is going to sway me man. > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195838 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lis

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
It doesn't matter. Since when does an allegedly democratic world power, which says it wants to bring freedom to the world, bomb a *newspaper.* Can you really not see anything wrong with that?? >The news outlet being protested against showed comics. > >Al Jezeera shows beheadings of our soldiers,

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
why not, if you want to :) >be done against them and isn't. Should we boycott Muslim nations for their >cartoons? a sense of proportion is not what I am getting from this discussion ;) Should we threaten to murder their citizens for our outrage? No >because we can see that no matter how vile

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
yay Jim ;) >The answer: neither. > >Both are stupid, myopic questions. > >Jim Davis ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195834 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: h

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
It does seem, based on what I am seeing here, that we are determined to be just as wrong as they are, so you are probably right about the vicisou circle >THEY ARE FUCKING US GEL. > >how do you not see this? simply because we are the imperial >fucking dynastical power? whatever, a stone throw is

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
u - just to interrrupt this little argument with a fact or two -- That is not really true. Though I don't think Gel's vision id right either. In strategic terms, Saudi Arabia, though never colonized, was in the British sphere of influence; the British were entrenched in Iraq, Bahrain, Om

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread dana tierney
A German for something a Dane did? Never, to my knowledge. At least one Canadian, at least one German, for no particular reason, we did do that though. And those "accidental" bombings of Al-Jazeera were of course totally unrelated to its reporting I feel very Alice through the looking glass s

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Tony
from one of my favorite songs... hey man niice shot and therein lies the difference! vive la difference! gel man, i hate to be like this about this... but i just dont feel like you get it. i know that you live in a very tolerant multi-cultural area and that you have friends

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2006-02-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> Gel wrote: > *chuckle* > Provoke the people and reap the backlash. > Haven't been in this thread and haven't been watching the news too closely, but doesn't the Muslim action, albeit by a few, lend credence to the caricature? I mean in the 80s Monty Python made Life of Brian and I think the Pop

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > No, but as a society we condemn these acts. We try to stop them. If we > can't stop th

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:04 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > If such a statement CAN provoke violence, then I say confront it. > > If you live with an

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2006-02-03 Thread Chesty Puller
first amendment. As Gel said, there's freedom of speech, and there's common sense. - Matt - Original Message - From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad &g

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
If such a statement CAN provoke violence, then I say confront it. If you live with an abusive spouse, you can try to never say anything that might provoke them. But that does not solve the issue, it just leaves you scared all the time, and at some point the jerk will hit you anyway. I also don't

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
No, but as a society we condemn these acts. We try to stop them. If we can't stop them, we try to arrest them and prosecute them after the fact for their actions. On 2/3/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We still have people murdering abortion doctors and homosexuals in the name > of reli

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2006-02-03 Thread Loathe
ECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: More on the Mohammad > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:47 PM > > To: CF-Community > >

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2006-02-03 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:47 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > But should I accept that? Should I cater to it? Or should I push back > against it? >

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2006-02-03 Thread Loathe
s going to sway me man. It's fucking sick. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:53 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: More on the Mohammad > > > > -Original Message- > >

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2006-02-03 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:46 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: More on the Mohammad > > I am saying that we have advanced past that point. > > If other parts of the world have not,

RE: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Loathe
Several. Tim > -Original Message- > From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: More on the Mohammad > > > They gave you a gun? > > Yikes. > > > >I will say it. Fuck

Re: More on the Mohammad

2006-02-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: More on the Mohammad > > > > Yeah man, how is a cartoon culturally ever less acceptable than beheading > > a > > hostage? > > Human life has VERY often been less valued than rel

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