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2008-11-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>And look, they conduct 'scientific studies'... >http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_10_30_08.htm > If it ever gets into a peer reviewed journal then maybe, but otherwise its just a press release. press releases != peer reviewed journals. ~~

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-11-04 Thread Larry Lyons
>Just to stir the pot one more time...Larry, would this qualify as 'proof'? > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/study-media-coverage-has_n_139916.html > not a peer reviewed journal. press releases are not studies. enough said.

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
And look, they conduct 'scientific studies'... http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_10_30_08.htm On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to stir the pot one more time...Larry, would this qualify as 'proof'? > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/study

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-11-04 Thread Scott Stroz
Just to stir the pot one more time...Larry, would this qualify as 'proof'? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/study-media-coverage-has_n_139916.html On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do Democrats, as a whole, oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? ANWAR, yes, they fairly steadfastly oppose it (except Alaska Democrats of course. I believe that even Begich toes this home state jobs line). Off shore drill

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
Sorry, neither I, nor my words, wield the power to actually turn someone into a demon. I would think you need at least a level 7 sorcerer for that. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And yet, you did not get appalled or complain when I used 'Bible > > thu

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
Why is it that you cannto anser a simple yes or no quesiton with a 'yes' or a 'no'? Do Democrats, as a whole, oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >How is the blame more on the republican side? Is it not the deomcrats

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And yet, you did not get appalled or complain when I used 'Bible > > thumper' in > > this thread, > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread. > > cfm/threadid:28197 > com/groups

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
> And yet, you did not get appalled or complain when I used 'Bible > thumper' in > this thread, > http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread. > cfm/threadid:28197 com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:277085> > > I wonder why that is? I thought my

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>How is the blame more on the republican side? Is it not the deomcrats who >oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? They filibustered the bill, and made sure it was withdrawn. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impo

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Sam
Why can't you ever focus? Why do you always try to take people down mindless tangents? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> Illinois because being a senator isn't executive experience. >> >> Most important, he has a campaign manager, he doesn't R

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
And yet, you did not get appalled or complain when I used 'Bible thumper' in this thread, http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/thread.cfm/threadid:28197 I wonder why that is? > > It demonizes the person and

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >How is the blame more on the republican side? Is it not the deomcrats who > >oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? > > That bill was shot down by the republicans in the Senate. Not the > democrats. I guess the republican

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Dana
been there, covered that :) On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Chairman of the Communist Party educating our kids? I realize your >>good with that and Mo is glad he didn't give the money to a Christian >>but I don't like communists trying to brainwash my kid.

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>How is the blame more on the republican side? Is it not the deomcrats who >oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? That bill was shot down by the republicans in the Senate. Not the democrats. I guess the republicans didn't want to lose any of the political contributions from the oil companies.

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: >> >> I never asked for a comparison of Obama and Palin, merely if you considered >> Palin to have executive experience. Then you got what you asked for! As with "media" nobody ever defines these things and thus discussing them becomes a an exercise in futility. But as I pointed o

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Illinois because being a senator isn't executive experience. > > Most important, he has a campaign manager, he doesn't RUN his own > presidential campaign. > Yes, but you clearly have no idea what "executive experience" is. So as with the finance threads you should not continue to

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
> > I never asked for a comparison of Obama and Palin, merely if you considered > Palin to have executive experience. I was just curious as most Obama > supporters I have talked to discount the fact that she is indeed a governor. > > Its also interesting to note that Palin has more constituents th

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Sam
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll define it at a high-level and then do a quickie comparative analysis: > > "Executive" meaning to execute. At a high level this usually means > managing a P&L; managing an organization with strategy, tactics, and > oper

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
Why do Obama proponents continue to comapre Obama to Palin? I never asked for a comparison of Obama and Palin, merely if you considered Palin to have executive experience. I was just curious as most Obama supporters I have talked to discount the fact that she is indeed a governor. On Wed, Oct 29

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > So, would you agree Palin has 'executive experience'? > I'll define it at a high-level and then do a quickie comparative analysis: "Executive" meaning to execute. At a high level this usually means managing a P&L; managing an organization with strategy, tactics, and operations;

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
So, would you agree Palin has 'executive experience'? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Why do you two keep asking that? Are you trying to explain away > > Obama's only leadership role? > > > > No, I'm trying to point out that Obama has ove

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Why do you two keep asking that? Are you trying to explain away > Obama's only leadership role? > No, I'm trying to point out that Obama has over 10 years of executive leadership experience and thus anyone that says he doesn't falls either: (1.) is a liar, demagogue, & propgandist

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Sam
Wasn't the goal to educate and overthrow, then eliminate the 25 million that couldn't have their thoughts adjusted? Why would someone give these people $$ millions knowing the objective? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Chairman of the Communist Party educ

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Sam
Enlighten me, what experience? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> Why do you two keep asking that? Are you trying to explain away >> Obama's only leadership role? >> > > No, I'm trying to point out that Obama has over 10 years of executive > lea

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
How is the blame more on the republican side? Is it not the deomcrats who oppose drilling in ANWAR and off-shore? As for 'tree hugger', I use that as frequently as I do 'bible-thumper' and I loathe both groups equally. If it offends, I apologize. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Larry Lyons <[E

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>'the oil companies own about 5 times the potential reserves in domestic >exploration leases in the mainland of the US' I think you may have missed a >word or 2 in there as I can't seem to make sense of it. The current domestic exploration leases on government lands have a far greater potential

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
'the oil companies own about 5 times the potential reserves in domestic exploration leases in the mainland of the US' I think you may have missed a word or 2 in there as I can't seem to make sense of it. What is the propaganda, the label of 'tree huggers' or that they are being blamed for blocking

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>Chairman of the Communist Party educating our kids? I realize your >good with that and Mo is glad he didn't give the money to a Christian >but I don't like communists trying to brainwash my kid. > Are you channelling McCarthy now? Next thing you know you'll be ranting about commies under our bed

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>It could not possibly have anythign to do with the tree huggers stopping >them from drilling in ANWAR and off shore, could it? > Nope, remember the oil companies own about 5 times the potential reserves in domestic exploration leases in the mainland of the US. That land is not tied up in enviro

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>> You know, I really don't have time to teach you how to read for >> comprehension. > >And I don't have time to teach you not to be an asshole, it's getting >very tired. And here I thought you were mentoring the guy on the topic. > >> He DID NOT say that anyone should "break free from the essen

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
I will agree that the amount of influence big business has is disproportionate. But is the solution really to take more money from them? If all of a suddne it costs ANY business $100,000 more per year to operate the business who do you think pays for that? Not them. They will simply raise the pr

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
It could not possibly have anythign to do with the tree huggers stopping them from drilling in ANWAR and off shore, could it? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wrong. I've been bitching about government hand outs to oil companies > for years. > > Not a single

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
I love you, Charlie. -- All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. Aristotle On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > no leg room. > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Dana wrote: > >> ::blinks:: and sm

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Dana wrote: > Anyway... I am not wasting any more time on this paranoid wet dream of > yours. I think you should investigate all of the participants to find > out who is a real American, is what I think. And of course you will > need a a Committee for this. I s

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > plummeting. We may see $40 a barrel before the end of the year. I hope so. I hear the Saudis and whatnot are basing their lifestyle on around $80 per barrel or so. > Oil is a cyclical business, it always has been. Tax credits encourage > expl

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
It asks itself "what would something just do?", and then does that. If they're not really paying taxes anyway, what does it matter one way or the other? We're already in debt, dude. =] -- A true friend is one soul in two bodies. Aristotle On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Sam wrote: > How does

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
Great show. Woohoo for digital media libraries! -- A tragedy is a representation of an action that is whole and complete and of a certain magnitude. A whole is what has a beginning and middle and end. Aristotle On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Maureen wrote: > Ding! B5! > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-29 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > 'Redistributoin of wealth', to me, translates to 'Take money form those who > will work for it and give it to those who wil not' Maybe that is not what > he meant when he said it, but that is how I preceived it. You've been reading too much Ay

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
Personally I am in favor of vouchers. But what about an experiment, say, where you hire 5,000 contract teachers for one year to see if additional teachers make a difference? Would the teachers unions allow it? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That's why private school voucher

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
They were private funds. 49 million given to the SCHOOLS as a 2 for 1 matching grant to fund programs designed to return control of education to the communities. But we all know what a horrible thing it is to allow parents and communities to control the education of their children. That's why pr

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Dana wrote: > > really? I didn't see that anywhere in the summary, dude. It actually > said achivement testing took place. But don't you think that education > should be culturally appropriate? Or is this only a concern when the > children don't hae brown skin? >

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
oh that was actually supposed to have meaning there? I assumed it was gibberish, based ont he content. In what world is the communist party an offshoot of the SDS? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chairman of the Communist Party educating our kids? I realize your

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
I think lessons learned are still lessons learned. The money did some good. Personally I would have spent it elsewere, but correct me if I am wrong , these were private funds correct? > I would rather that $150 million had gone to something that actually > improved education for the children of Ch

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
Chairman of the Communist Party educating our kids? I realize your good with that and Mo is glad he didn't give the money to a Christian but I don't like communists trying to brainwash my kid. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And why are they bad? What ba

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Dana wrote: > > > If that mass of paper proves that there was something wrong with the > program, I truly don't see it. Furthermore I find it amusing that you > are saying that the program a) tried to teach left-wing goals but b) > failed. Would this not be a good

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2008-10-28 Thread Dana
right. A network of small schools. Read the link. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cute but not small schools, the Small School Network --which was > founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and > the former chairman of the Communist Party

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
And why are they bad? What bad things did the Small School Network do? I'm guessing that you think it was something more than advocate for small schools? Judah On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cute but not small schools, the Small School Network --which was > fo

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
Cute but not small schools, the Small School Network --which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and the former chairman of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), an offshoot of the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:15

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2008-10-28 Thread Charlie Griefer
no leg room. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ::blinks:: and small schools are a bad thing how exactly? > > > Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small > > Schools Network > > ~

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2008-10-28 Thread Dana
::blinks:: and small schools are a bad thing how exactly? > Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small > Schools Network ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to

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2008-10-28 Thread Sam
Aren't you the one bombarding the list with hundreds of pages of nonscense to try and explain away the ACORN scandal? Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small Schools Network -- which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and the former

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
Why do you two keep asking that? Are you trying to explain away Obama's only leadership role? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. >> > > You don't know what "executive experience" means,

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
flunky? I thought the concern was that Obama would be bossed around by Big Bad Leroy ... er Bill Ayers? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apparently to Obama it means squandering tens of millions of dollars on > failed projects run by his flunky ex-radical f

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
according to your logic they should be hard at work on the problem of reducing dependence on foreign oil though. Surely there is a project somewhere? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i have no idea, i haven't followed the details of oil exploration in years

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
You must have been taking lessons from Sam -- it's one of his tactics to throw 500 pages at someone and tell them they prove his point. If that mass of paper proves that there was something wrong with the program, I truly don't see it. Furthermore I find it amusing that you are saying that the pro

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
Apparently to Obama it means squandering tens of millions of dollars on failed projects run by his flunky ex-radical friends, lol. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Gruss wrote: > > You don't know what "executive experience" means, huh? > ~

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. > You don't know what "executive experience" means, huh? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Fre

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
i have no idea, i haven't followed the details of oil exploration in years. probably they are gearing up for offshore exploration, but that's just a guess. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Dana wrote: > well they got tax credits this year right? So how are they helping? > ~

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
well they got tax credits this year right? So how are they helping? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are investing in exploration and production. It is hard to say how much > they would be doing without the tax credits, but I see no reason to take > aw

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
They are investing in exploration and production. It is hard to say how much they would be doing without the tax credits, but I see no reason to take away the tax credits when we need the oil industry's help to get away from foreign oil dependence. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Maureen wrote:

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
Wrong. I've been bitching about government hand outs to oil companies for years. Not a single oil company expanded exploration and drilling after the tax credits. They did, however, greatly expand their wallets to hold the profits. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
Funny, no one complained about the oil companies when oil was $15 a barrel. Oil prices, in inflation-adjusted dollars, were at fifty-year lows just a few years ago. So oil prices shot up and the oil companies made a bunch of money- good for them. Now that the global economy is cratering, oil is plu

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
I am of the opinion that companies do not pay taxes. We, as consumers do. If a company's operating expenses rise, they are not going to just take the hit, they will pass that increase in operating expenses onto the consumer by raising their prices. This is true for big corporations as well as sm

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
How does a corporate tax cut redistribute wealth? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The greatest re-distribution of wealth in history has been from the > pockets of the working people to the pockets of the oil companies, who > continues to receive tax credits i

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
The greatest re-distribution of wealth in history has been from the pockets of the working people to the pockets of the oil companies, who continues to receive tax credits in the billions. Why that doesn't bother so-called conservatives baffles the hell out of me. And don't give me the tired old

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
Ding! B5! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:02 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This "scary" shit has been going down for a while, it's too late to > vote, the avalanche has already started. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
'Redistributoin of wealth', to me, translates to 'Take money form those who will work for it and give it to those who wil not' Maybe that is not what he meant when he said it, but that is how I preceived it. "economic justice" - I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean, but it does not

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I find it funny that I never said they sounded socialistic. Yet you mention > socialism...interesting. Ah, it was the wording you were talking about, I take it, like "homeland security", neh? Ominous, I get it. Sorry for jumping the gun, I'm

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
I find it funny that I never said they sounded socialistic. Yet you mention socialism...interesting. > LOL. Socialism. Yup, *that* is what we need to fear. And terrorism, > of course. > > -- Scott Stroz ~| Adobe® ColdFus

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2008-10-28 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > 'Redistribution of wealth', 'economic justice'? > > Those phrases scare the shit out of me, and do not sound democratic nor > capitalistic. What do you think no-bid contracts and crap like that are? This "scary" shit has been going down f

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I thought George Will put it well this weekend: "Ninety-five percent of what the government does is redistribute wealth. It operates on the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Case in point: we have sugar subsidies. Costs the American people billions of dollars but they d

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. > > Here's what he thinks of the constitution: > > "But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of > redistribution of wealth and the more basic issues of political

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
Assumption of facts not in evidence. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where did that money go? To the friends and political allies of Bill Ayers. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

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2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
Here is Kurtz' article in WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html Here is Kurtz's accompanying post in the National Review. It goes into more detail and contains links to various internal documents of the Annenberg Challenge that are now publicly available: http://article.na

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
See message to Sam. Nothing in that statement is a critique of anything. It's simply a statement of how the courts have rules. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > His critique of the Constitution, essentially, is that the Founders did not > include socialist

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
Maureen You are trying to bring logic to a stupid fight. They haven't researched it and they hanen't read anything about it. Dana On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a bit of information about what the Challenge did. > > Yeah, funding a program that gives

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, I really don't have time to teach you how to read for comprehension. And I don't have time to teach you not to be an asshole, it's getting very tired. > He DID NOT say that anyone should "break free from the essential

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
Here's a bit of information about what the Challenge did. Yeah, funding a program that gives control of the school back to communities and parents - that's really a socialist agenda. http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/content/publications.php?pub_id=60 >From the 1996-97 through 2000-01 school years, the A

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
You know, I really don't have time to teach you how to read for comprehension. He DID NOT say that anyone should "break free from the essential constraints of the Constitution". He said the Warren Court did not break free. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Breaki

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
His critique of the Constitution, essentially, is that the Founders did not include socialist concepts like "social justice" in it. They didn't include those kinds of concepts because they didn't believe in them. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is what Jefferson wrote in the Declarati

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, that's what he thinks about the Supreme Court's > investigation of a certain area of law. Regardless, what is wrong with > the statement? Is there some part of it you disagree with? Did the > court get into the

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. Robert said accomplishments, not executive experience. Can you even define executive experience? > Here's what he thinks of the constitution: No, that's what he thinks of

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2008-10-28 Thread Dana
but getting back to the essential point here... What was the anticapitalist material that the former CEO off Xerox and the former Nixon economist were plotting to teach Chicago schoolchildren? Enquiring minds want to know :) On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You did

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. Out of curiosity, what executive experience does McCain have? I really don't know, that's not meant to be a snark. I'm not aware of any off the top of my head. > Here's wha

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
ACORN probably gets donations from a lot of people. But I would not call them anticapitalist. I did work for them briefly and that is what I saw. They are about helping peopel make themselves heard. Voting is part of that. So are the home ownership classes they offer. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:49

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
The Annenberg Challenge was his only executive experience. Here's what he thinks of the constitution: "But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and the more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society, and to that extent, as radical as, I

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
You didn't now that and you work for them? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow, they gave money to ACORN :) a community development group. That's > anticapitalist curricula? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Maureen
1. Harvard Law School 2. President of the Harvard Law Review, 3. Constitutional Law Professor 4. Illinois State Senate 5. US Senate 6. Democratic nominee for President Yeah, running that Challenge was one of his few significant accomplishments Fail! On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Robert Munn <

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
wow, they gave money to ACORN :) a community development group. That's anticapitalist curricula? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/obamas-education-groups-funded-controversial-organiations-s-tax-returns/ > > > The reason Hilla

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
the CEO of Xerox and the publisher of the Chicago Tribune conspired to put anti-capitalist material in schools? Really? What was it? On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is not what a bunch of big wigs who sat on the board did, the > question is w

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Sam
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/obamas-education-groups-funded-controversial-organiations-s-tax-returns/ The reason Hillary stopped mentioning Ayers was because Bill pardoned Linda Evans. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > to those who have been following

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Robert Munn
The question is not what a bunch of big wigs who sat on the board did, the question is what the Challenge achieved or did not achieve. Running the Challenge is one of very few significant accomplishments by Obama. So don't we have a right to know whether it was a successful project or not? The only

Re: media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Vivec
I lost the train of the conversation a little while back :) 2008/10/28 Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > to those who have been following this lengthy and convoluted thread: > > I have been busy since last night when Robert was saying that the > media was biased because they would not investigate the An

media bias -- plea for help

2008-10-28 Thread Dana
to those who have been following this lengthy and convoluted thread: I have been busy since last night when Robert was saying that the media was biased because they would not investigate the Annenberg Challenge. I asked what exactly did he think that collection of publishers and CEOs and Harvard d

RE: Plea for help

2007-06-18 Thread James Smith
+) Are you clustered? If so how is balancing in the cluster handled? Are clustered sessions enabled? If balanced with an appliance are "sticky sessions" (however defined by the appliance) handled? Nope, no cluster (yet). +)Any "odd" hardware between the app and the user? For example an SSL a

Re: Plea for help

2007-06-15 Thread Dinner
I tried it the other day (sorry I didn't report) and didn't run into any problems. I let it idle for a while between adding stuff (20mins) and whatnot, seemed fine to me. I see a bunch of excellent suggestions from folks tho. On 6/15/07, James Smith wrote: > > Ok, this is becoming a huge problem

Re: Plea for help

2007-06-15 Thread Dan Munez
How is the basket stored? on Session array vars, or in the Database. Maybe there's a mixup with IDs causing some stuff to. MAN u know. HAHA. It can be Anything AHH!! >Ok, this is becoming a huge problem. > >Our website http://www.uwish.co.uk/ is starting to get loads of complaints >on pu

RE: Plea for help

2007-06-15 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:24 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Plea for help > > Does anyone know what would cause a user to switch sessions (or any > other > reason a basket would empty)

Re: Plea for help

2007-06-15 Thread J.J. Merrick
You might want to go with something a little more persistent then a session such as a client var or just cookie'ing the CartID so that if the person comes back the information is in there. You can also just run a routine at the end of the day that deletes orphaned carts after a few days. Another th

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