I saw the movie, and read the second book.
Thus far it is a depressing read. Characters die horribly,
some are tortured mercilessly before death...and all manner of horridness
occurs.
:-\
I certainly wouldn't let my kid watch/read this stuff.
~
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The early church's wrangling with gnosticism is pretty interesting if you're
> into that sort of thing.
Heh. That's like the "Sons of light" stuff and whatnot, right?
Dead sea scrolls and whatnot...
veeery interestin
Gnosticism is a specific belief system that says in essence that the "real
truth" about Jesus was hidden and that his message was changed very early on
into something it was never meant to be. Gnostic beliefs typically are much
less exclusive than any kind of fundamentalist belief.
In a way, Gnos
sday, May 01, 2008 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?
Cause I like him!
But, either way, it's 'whether, when, and how' that are the questions.
John says not until you die and only if you do the rights things in
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> On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
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> gMoney wrote:
> Dunno why you are stuck on Thomas..the intriguing question to me is not
> WHERE God is to be known, but WHETHER God can be known.
>
Cause I like him!
But, either way, it's 'whether, when, and how' that are the questions.
John says not until you die and only if you do the
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the
> first Gnostic; meaning "truth".
>
> Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and
> know God, one had to find and know oneself.
On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
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> Jim wrote:
> Acknowledging that there is a God (regardless of whether he can be killed or
> not) is a completely non-atheistic viewpoint.
>
Zackly. The books are anti-religion at best and anti-catholic at worst.
The reason atheism gets tossed in is because there's only one word
more offensiv
> gMoney wrote:
> Gnosticor Agnostic?
>
> The Gnostics were just an early form of modern day fundies.
No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the
first Gnostic; meaning "truth".
Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and
know God, one had
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> Wellin the third book they did kill "
Gnosticor Agnostic?
The Gnostics were just an early form of modern day fundies.who claim to
"know" God, to an extent.
Agnosticism seems to make the most sense to me, actuallywe most
certainly cannot know about God, at least in our limited human capacity. I
just happen to believe in a
Really, the books don't have an atheistic viewpoint - they have a Gnostic
viewpoint. But most fundies don't have enough of a nuanced view of other
peoples' belief systems to differentiate between the two.
David
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Wellin the third book they did kill "God". Granted "God" was just
the first angel.
I could see how people can interpret that as "promoting atheism"
On May 1, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
> Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and
> "The
> Bible").
>
>
For people who think in only shades of black and white, attacking the church
is the same as promoting atheism. "If you're not with us, you're against
us." Kinda like the Sith system of moral reasoning. ;)
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