RE: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-25 Thread Loathe
ROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:42 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ... > tBone Wrote: > How's that? > Code monkeys are developers that can't think for themselves so they add no value to a project. e.g., typical IT proces

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > business fuels computers. Learn to talk with people.learn > the business first. <> That's beautiful, man <> You got it: computers are just a tool to solve business problems. That's it. The SMEs propose, design, and manage the solution; the code monkeys execute. BTW,

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-24 Thread Tony
heh. unfortunately, i do all of the below... tw On 4/24/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tBone Wrote: > > How's that? > > > > Code monkeys are developers that can't think for themselves so they > add no value to a project. e.g., typical IT process flow: > > 1.) Biz req > 2.) BA work

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-24 Thread G
> It's the knowing/translating-the-business part that can't be > outsourced, so IT folks, especially developers, need to move west and > up the waterfall to add value. Without a doubt, the most valuable people in our office here are those who understand the business side of that which we are task

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone Wrote: > How's that? > Code monkeys are developers that can't think for themselves so they add no value to a project. e.g., typical IT process flow: 1.) Biz req 2.) BA work 3.) SA work 4.) High level design 5.) technical design 6.) coding <--- If you can only work here, you're a cod

RE: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-23 Thread Loathe
How's that? -- Timothy Heald Analyst, Architect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:03 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: America's Universities No Longer The

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-23 Thread Tony
would i be a code monkey? On 4/23/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tBone wrote: > > Good thing I'm a code monkey. > > > > You, sir, are about the farthest thing from a code monkey as any IT > person I've conversed informally with via an email list. > > ~~

Re: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-23 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > Good thing I'm a code monkey. > You, sir, are about the farthest thing from a code monkey as any IT person I've conversed informally with via an email list. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link

RE: America's Universities No Longer The Best, And ...

2006-04-23 Thread Loathe
Good thing I'm a code monkey. -- Timothy Heald Analyst, Architect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:03 PM To: CF-Community Subject: America's Universities No Longer T