Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Exactly better to sell to a firm ally rather than a dubious one. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> I know it means jobs in the US and cheaper fuel cost eventually and >> the Republicans forced it into the bill. >> >> What

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Sam wrote: > > I know it means jobs in the US and cheaper fuel cost eventually and > the Republicans forced it into the bill. > > What I don't know is why Canada would care if we have a pipeline or > not. We would still buy oil from them it would just take us lon

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Medic wrote: > You might need more than 32, but I bet if you sent all of your boyscouts > and gave them stuff just out of your local gun shop you could probably > overrun our forces. It wouldn't be the battle with the military that caused > you trouble though, it

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Medic
You might need more than 32, but I bet if you sent all of your boyscouts and gave them stuff just out of your local gun shop you could probably overrun our forces. It wouldn't be the battle with the military that caused you trouble though, it would be the resistance. Canadians are not a people tha

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
you know everyone thinks that, except like the taliban they're found out to their regret. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> your choice. > > > Oh man, you really don't want ME to choose.  I totally want to s

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread William Bowen
> How else do you explain such a large percantage of the > population living within 50 miles of the US border? When you live in the USA's hat, it's warmest near the band? -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't know about that. Canada has been prepping for an invasion for years. How else do you explain such a large percantage of the population living within 50 miles of the US border? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons w

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > your choice. Oh man, you really don't want ME to choose. I totally want to see 32 boy scouts storm Canada and win. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthol

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > lets see energy stops, invasion starts, energy infrastructure > destroyed. US is 3 to 10 years without half its normally available > energy. Rest of the world starts boycotting the US, the economy tanks > to below 2008 and great depression

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
lets see energy stops, invasion starts, energy infrastructure destroyed. US is 3 to 10 years without half its normally available energy. Rest of the world starts boycotting the US, the economy tanks to below 2008 and great depression levels. scenario two. Negotiation reaches an acceptable deal fo

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I'll let you figure out what happens next. We invade Canada using a troop of 32 Boy Scouts? Merry Christmas! :) -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholog

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
look at how a minor boycott affected the US in 1973. Or how much gas prices spiked 3 years ago. Now suddenly over 50% of the gas and electricity supply is gone... I'll let you figure out what happens next. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:33 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I bet you a Loonie that America isn't

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread GMoney
I bet you a Loonie that America isn't left "freezing in the dark" by anything Canada does. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The attitude of many I've heard in Canada lately has been if the US > doesn't agree let the b*st*rds freeze in the dark. Remember Canada > supplie

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The attitude of many I've heard in Canada lately has been if the US doesn't agree let the b*st*rds freeze in the dark. Remember Canada supplies over half of the American energy supply. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Sam wrote: > >> I k

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Sam wrote: > I know it means jobs in the US and cheaper fuel cost eventually and > the Republicans forced it into the bill. > > What I don't know is why Canada would care if we have a pipeline or > not. We would still buy oil from them it would just take us longe

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Sam
I know it means jobs in the US and cheaper fuel cost eventually and the Republicans forced it into the bill. What I don't know is why Canada would care if we have a pipeline or not. We would still buy oil from them it would just take us longer to deliver and use it. . On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
no I'm just disgusted by the politics of it. and given that Harper is the US's female dog, its very surprising. Its something too important to be a political football, and that's what the rethuglican house has turned it into. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Sam wrote: > > I was just wondering w

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Sam
I was just wondering why you were so proud of the tactic. I'm guessing it's because it's against the US. . On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Fine Sam, then when is the US going to stop doing that? Or is it a > case of do what I say not as I do. There is a long history

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Fine Sam, then when is the US going to stop doing that? Or is it a case of do what I say not as I do. There is a long history of the US meddling in internal affairs of both Canada and Mexico as well as other countries in the Americas. Harper was just stating the case. Canada can sell the oil far m

RE: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Eric Roberts
ROFLMAO -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:05 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built No. That's just shrinkage from the cold. honest. O

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
No. That's just shrinkage from the cold. honest. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The US has tried that for over 200 years. And mostly have been suffering > from "ED" from the start. > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2011, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> >

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The US has tried that for over 200 years. And mostly have been suffering from "ED" from the start. On Tuesday, December 20, 2011, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Fuck canada... > > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:43 AM

RE: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Fuck canada... -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:43 AM To: cf-community Subject: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built Essentially Harper is telling the US screw you: http://edmon

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Currently the extraction methods use a lot of water and does produce a fair amount of green house gases. That's where the real issue comes in. And it needs to be solved and soon. Oil companies are now starting to look at the oil shale deposits in the US. The methods to extract oil from the Tar San

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Judah McAuley
This would only effect new shipments of oil, I believe, since the pipeline isn't built yet. If Canada is threatening to change their current arrangements then that would obviously have a much bigger impact. Looks like Canada is still our number one supplier of oil but we produce over half our oil

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Scott Stroz
I think its a pretty big deal as, IIRC, we get most of our oil from Canada. I imagine it will affect gas prices here. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Given that the Republicans in Congress are intent of forcing a 60 day > decision on the pipeline and there are no envir

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Judah McAuley
Given that the Republicans in Congress are intent of forcing a 60 day decision on the pipeline and there are no environmental impact statements done on the alternate route, it simply means that the State Department will have to deny the permit. Then Canada will sell to to China and we'll go on our

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Vivec
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Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Sam
Telling a country how they should vote is playing politics. . On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > more like being pissed off at the politics. Besides China is willing > to pay more. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> Sounds like blackmail. >> ~~

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Me, I'm just recognizing the reality. Harper said they will sell to the Chinese if the US doesn't get off its collective rear end. The oil will be sold, it just depends on who is the buyer. If the Chinese then it will go through the TransCanada pipeline to BC and then to China. I'd rather see it

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread GMoney
So you are staunchly with the Republicans on this issue? On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > more like being pissed off at the politics. Besides China is willing > to pay more. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > Sounds like blackmail. > > > > . > >

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
more like being pissed off at the politics. Besides China is willing to pay more. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Sam wrote: > > Sounds like blackmail. > > . > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: >> >> The current plans have it going over the Ogallala Aquifer. TransCa

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Sam
Sounds like blackmail. . On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The current plans have it going over the Ogallala Aquifer. TransCan > has already said that they'd reroute the pipeline as needed to avoid > it. That said, Canada would probably make a lot more selling the oil

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The current plans have it going over the Ogallala Aquifer. TransCan has already said that they'd reroute the pipeline as needed to avoid it. That said, Canada would probably make a lot more selling the oil to China than the US. A lot of people I know back in Canada are now saying saying let the US

Re: Canada says it will sell oil to the Chinese if Keystone XL is not built

2011-12-20 Thread Cameron Childress
...and the US is more environmentally careful/friendly than Canada? Seems the holdup is environmental studies that need to be completed for the pipeline which from the article appears to stretch from Canada to the US Gulf of Mexico? I didn't realize Canada was so environmentally careless. -Came