Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
further info: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-seized-domain-name-back-claims Note: this site was legal in Spain, where it operated. Dajaz1.com was legal the entire time the US government had it out of business. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Dana wrote: > Dajaz1.com

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
so.why is the FBI involved? On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Pretty sure they weren't in the US. New Zealand, I think. > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses > now > > that their s

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Maureen
Pretty sure they weren't in the US. New Zealand, I think. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now > that their site is down? > It's utter nonsense. > > I don't know why any of these companies would host in the

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
Dajaz1.com...and the answer is no. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57339569-281/dhs-abruptly-abandons-copyright-seizure-of-hip-hop-blog/ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now > that their site is down? > I

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
In the case of a site like Megaupload, the site is hosting the files. It isn't like a forum where they just host message and links to things. Megaupload is genuinely distributing the material. The question is whether they had reason to know about all the illegal material they were distributing on

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Vivec
Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now that their site is down? It's utter nonsense. I don't know why any of these companies would host in the US anymore. If I had a similar business, I wouldn't. That includes YouTube, Vimeo etc. ~

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Maureen
More like multiple USERS had illegal files, and if in fact the owners are not guilty of facilitating the distribution of copyrighted materials, they will not be convicted. That is why I keep harping on due process and innocent until proven guilty, neither of which were included in SOPA or PIPA.

RE: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Eric Roberts
:30 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, GMoney wrote: > I don't think we should necessarily be pissed about a different form > of this bill eventually coming up for a vote. ANyone who's ever had > their

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, GMoney wrote: > > If they are already being prosecuted.why was this law introduced? > Someone must still be getting ripped off big time? The RIAA? You presume that someone has to be getting injured in order to justify a naked power grab? Judah ~

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Cameron Childress
These laws effectively switch "innocent till proven guilty" to "guilty till proven innocent" for intelectual property. Why WOULDN'T the media companies want this? They see their relevance slipping away due to the internet and they are attacking it - plain as that. -Cameron On Fri, Jan 20, 2012

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread PT
Control. The legally expanded ability to sue a competitor into oblivion is no small thing. Also, prosecuting someone like the megaupload guys is a hassle. There is extradition and all sorts of red tape. Who wants to go through that annoying due process thing? It's easier just to flip a sw

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Stealing is already illegal and groups that do large scale stealing > and dispersal of illegally obtained software and content are already > being prosecuted. See yesterday's bust of MegaUpload as an example. > DMCA is way more harmful th

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, GMoney wrote: > I don't think we should necessarily be pissed about a different form of > this bill eventually coming up for a vote. ANyone who's ever had their shit > stolen online would appreciate some sort of legislation centered around a > pointed technical so

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71720.html > > Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA > By: Jennifer Martinez > January 20, 2012 09:40 AM EST > > Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has postponed a procedural vote > scheduled for Tu