She's a former beauty pageant contestant. She dreams of Jimmy Choos.
They'll probably have a Sarah Palin signature model hunting boot for
the next fashion season.
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast i
woo-hoo!
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign.
>>
>
> np - but in the interest of keeping the wise-ass levels at enjoyable
> heights, my preference is that you keep up the accusations.
~~
> RoMunn wrote:
> my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign.
>
np - but in the interest of keeping the wise-ass levels at enjoyable
heights, my preference is that you keep up the accusations.
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my mistake, i thought you were volunteering on the campaign.
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> For the record, I don't work for the Obama Campaign, not even on a
> volunteer basis; I'm just a contributor & supporter.
>
~~
> GrussGott wrote:
> yes
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Beth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does gruss work for the obama campaign?
>>
For the record, I don't work for the Obama Campaign, not even on a
volunteer basis; I'm just a contributor & supporter.
~~
apparently there is a lot going on in the emails I am filtering. Maybe
I should take a look (pause).
Naw. I kinda get the flavor :)
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> lol, touche!
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Judahwrote:
>>
>>> So now the Obama camp
lol, touche!
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Judahwrote:
>
>> So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots.
>> My work here is done.
>>
>
> This from the man who just said "the weenie liberal establishment Obama
> clan". Nice "work". Stay classy and here's hoping you end
this is just friendly ribbing between gruss and i
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Beth wrote:
>> Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the
>> weenie liberal establishment Obama clan.
>
>
> Is this something we look for in leadership? the ability to kill animals?
>
>
> I
yes
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Beth wrote:
>
>
> Does gruss work for the obama campaign?
>
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>> And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast in Jimmy Choos.
I doubt Palin has ever heard of Jimmy Choos.
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> Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the
> weenie liberal establishment Obama clan.
Is this something we look for in leadership? the ability to kill animals?
I find it weird that people who get pleasure from hunting and killing
humans are psychopaths but that people
> So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots.
> My work here is done.
Does gruss work for the obama campaign?
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On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots.
> My work here is done.
>
This from the man who just said "the weenie liberal establishment Obama
clan". Nice "work". Stay classy and here's hoping you
So now the Obama campaign is reduced to name-calling and cheap shots.
My work here is done.
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Gruss wrote:
> PS - "chipping a nail" isn't sexist. Michele Obama (and my wife)
> could give a fuck about that. It intelligentist - only stupid people
> care about shall
> RoMunn wrote:
> No one is afraid of her-
Well you're right in that I am afraid of morons in office - and Palin
definitely ain't the brightest bulb on the shelf.
That's why it was a wholly irresponsible pick for McCain. It was a
political one.
But plenty of Americans like her as a leader.
And
did you though :) because I don't think we read the same aticle. She
is worried that Palin will co-opt the title, not saying that she is a
feminist :)
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just making sure ;-)
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dana wrote:
>
just making sure ;-)
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dana wrote:
> Dude, I read the article.
>
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Dude, I read the article.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Camille Paglia disagrees with you.
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Dana wrote:
>> I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly
>> different sentence.
>
>
~~~
Camille Paglia disagrees with you.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Dana wrote:
> I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly
> different sentence.
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No one is afraid of her- except for the entire Democratic leadership
and the Obama campaign.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> GG wrote:
>> Nobody is afraid of Palin. The only way she'd win against, say, Putin
>> is if she struck before he stopped laughing.
>>
>
> And from what I
Wow, now the REAL sexist comments come out from the Obama campaign.
She doesn't want to chip a nail? You guys are getting seriously
desperate.
BTW, in case you forgot, Michelle Obama isn't running for office. Her
husband is.
Oh, and Palin has actually hunted and killed animals. Unlike the
weenie
I don't think you can be a feminist and anti-choice. Slightly
different sentence.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gruss said Michelle Obama was a role model and implied by extension
> that Sarah Palin was not. The latter point is essentially what the
> att
They're all afraid of Palin. That's why they sent the troops to Alaska
to dig dirt. Next moves is bump Biden for Hillary. Otherwise it's over
and she has to go back to her senators wife job macking big money as a
community organizer.
She did introduce Barry to Ayers and gang didn't she. That scar
> GG wrote:
> Nobody is afraid of Palin. The only way she'd win against, say, Putin
> is if she struck before he stopped laughing.
>
And from what I hear, she could NEVER move that fast in Jimmy Choos.
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> RoMunn wrote:
> 1. Killing a dangerous animal.
> 2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around
> the world. See number 1.
See, that's where you know people are making bad choices.
Palin just plays the huntress, but she's really more interested in not
chipping a nail.
Mich
Sounds like an excellent candidate for dog catcher. That is what she's
running for right?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. Killing a dangerous animal.
> 2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around
> the world. See number 1.
>
>
>
1. Killing a dangerous animal.
2. Confronting aggressive, anti-freedom, anti-American thugs around
the world. See number 1.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Gruss wrote:
> So how about you? Which situation(s) would you prefer Palin in over Michele?
> RoMunn wrote:
> So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her
> husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to
> be the ambitious one?
>
I was doing a comparative analysis not an either/or
Which basically concluded that I couldn't think of a single situ
Sam wrote:
> Right after you show me the center executive are correct.
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Gruss said Michelle Obama was a role model and implied by extension
that Sarah Palin was not. The latter point is essentially what the
attempted character assassination in the press has been all about-
convincing women in particular who like Sarah Palin and identify with
her that she is not a role
Right after you show me the center executive are correct.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So now show me something that says these critics are correct?
>
>
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They haven't taken the program to the point where it helps the
community. It takes it just far enough to save them a bundle and give
the hospital and upscale aura.
There's nothing to indicate that they ever will.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Si, co
Si, comprende. Could they put more money into the program? Yes they could.
But you don't start a program by throwing all your money at it. Its a pilot
program, they've made some changes based on feedback and it will continue to
grow and, I hope, "save a whole bunch of
community health centers". To
Sam wrote:
> Comprende the next two paragraphs?
>
> Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million
> last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the
> program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only
> affluent patients with insurance.
>
> "
Sam wrote:
> If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the hospital to
> help with the non emergencies, or donate doctor hours to clinics that
> are overloaded. Like all the other hospitals do.
I could have sworn your article said that they did provide doctors to
the clinics...
~~~
Robert Munn wrote:
> And being Governor of Alaska isn't ambitious?
And this is mutually exclusive? If one is ambitious then by definition
the other can not be?
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Comprende the next two paragraphs?
Center executives said the initiative, on which they spent $2 million
last year, could be a national model. Critics, however, describe the
program as an attempt to ensure that the hospital retains only
affluent patients with insurance.
"If you put enough money i
You got me. I read it again and still can't comprehend how determined
it was internal charity.
The hospital told state regulators it spent $10 million on charity
care for the poor in fiscal 2007 -- 1.3 percent of its total hospital
expenses, according to an analysis performed for The Washington Po
That's exactly what they are doing. Go read your own article:
"Obama's program has enjoyed favorable news media coverage in Chicago and
was eventually expanded into a broader program, the Urban Health Initiative.
Under the effort, the hospital has started providing selected clinics with
part-time
um what is the $2 million doing?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is an overflow issue because the clinics can't keep up. They need
> more space and more funds. The hospitals is saying we don't need to
> help. If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the
::sigh::
no, that would mean they unloaded the problem of the poor on a clinic
where they might get treatment. The ER doesn't take thumb sprains and
flu real seriously, you know. They have a nasty habit of making you
wait until all the people who are in danger of dying have been
treated, or until
It is an overflow issue because the clinics can't keep up. They need
more space and more funds. The hospitals is saying we don't need to
help. If they really cared they'de set up a clinic in the hospital to
help with the non emergencies, or donate doctor hours to clinics that
are overloaded. Like a
And being Governor of Alaska isn't ambitious?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth wrote:
>> So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her
>> husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to
>> be the ambitious one?
>
>
> Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious
That would mean they unloaded the problem of the poor on the clinics
and keep the money.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hence, if the program works, the amount that
> they spend on charity cases should go down.
They aren't sending heart attack patients with no insurance to the clinics.
It's not not an overflow issue, its about the type of care required. I have
no idea what your medical background is, but suffice to say, different
medical groups have different sorts of specializations. If a poor black
pers
Must be since the figure you are citing is how much they spend internally on
patients that they never get reimbursed for (ie people without insurance,
medicaid, etc and no ability to pay) and I'm talking about a 2 million
outlay to fund programs that reduce the number of patients that fall in that
They are a tax exempt not for profit hospital in the middle of a very
poor area. And they send the unprofitable patients to clinics. Why not
let the clinics send there overflow to the hospital? Because that
hospital is now meant for the upperclass. If you want to accept tax
dollars for helping the
> That is below the 2.1 percent average for nonprofit hospitals in Cook County.
I'm thinking it is:)
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess it
> must be a reading comprehension issue then.
>
> Judah
~~
Her salary jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was
elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.
And Then he earmarked $1 million for the hospital.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth Fleischer
>
> Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,0
They think that many people could be better helped in a clinic that is
better suited to their needs. They established a program to help fund those
other groups and steer appropriate patients their way. In what way, pray
tell, is this not helping those patients? I did not see a single instance of
an
Her salary jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was
elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Beth Fleischer
>
> Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,000 a year hospital exec
> job. Thats ambitious.
>
No, the part where they spend $2 million a year on the program over and
above the money they spend on charity care within their hospital. I guess it
must be a reading comprehension issue then.
Judah
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This part?
>
> The hospital to
> So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her
> husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to
> be the ambitious one?
Except Michelle Obama IS ambitious. She has a 350,000 a year hospital exec
job. Thats ambitious.
~
So a woman can be a role model if she gives up her career for her
husband's ambitions, but she can't be a role model if she decides to
be the ambitious one?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gruss wrote:
>> Judah wrote:
>> My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel.
>
> I was just ribbing Sammy. I mean h
It's a not for profit and should help all the people since it's taking
public money.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I do so apologize for supporting a market-based solution to a public
> problem. I keep forgetting to hate places that make money, ev
This part?
The hospital told state regulators it spent $10 million on charity
care for the poor in fiscal 2007 -- 1.3 percent of its total hospital
expenses, according to an analysis performed for The Washington Post
by the bipartisan, nonprofit Center for Tax and Budget Accountability.
That is be
And I do so apologize for supporting a market-based solution to a public
problem. I keep forgetting to hate places that make money, even when they
are doing good. I'm a lousy liberal sometimes.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Perhaps you missed the part
Perhaps you missed the part of the article you linked to where it said the
hospital is giving 2 million a year to those community clinics, plans on
expanding that and is working to help bring in grants.
Judah
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why stress the wealt
Why stress the wealthy? Keep the poor where they belong?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sam wrote:
>> The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to
>> under funded and overstressed clinics?
>
> Because underfunded and overstressed eme
hehe you are bringing logic to a stupid fight. I am surre Sam is
opposed to funding for those overstressed clinics, right? I thought
to.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sam wrote:
>> The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to
>> un
> Sam wrote:
> I'm sorry, I forgot you like to worship your false idols.
Beer is NOT false!
It's real I tell you, and it's tasty.
That's right, my idol is real-n-tasty.
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as long as the community clinics exist and have capacity why would
this not be a good thing?
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I read that article when it first came out. A lot of the criticism I
> see in that article seems to be coming from the view
Sam wrote:
> The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to
> under funded and overstressed clinics?
Because underfunded and overstressed emergency rooms is just a so much
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> Sam wrote:
> Kicking the less fortunate to the street to make money doesn't sound
> like the democrat theme.
>
>
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I'm sorry, I forgot you like to worship your false idols.
It's rude of me to interupt with harsh facts. Let me know when it's
acceptable for me to discuss the downside of the woman you worship so
much while pissing on Palin. I'll wait. :P
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTEC
The poor, the minorities and the uninsured that now have to go to
under funded and overstressed clinics?
Kicking the less fortunate to the street to make money doesn't sound
like the democrat theme.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But do you really thi
> Judah wrote:
> My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel.
I was just ribbing Sammy. I mean here I talk about how I think
Michele's a role model and, rather than contribute his version of a
role model, Sammy tears down mine by explaining how Michele really is
Satan's minion.
He can't help it. It's hi
My first thought was Rahm Emmanuel. Who is from Illinois of course but
didn't have anything to do with this project as far as I knew. Though I'm
not particularly keen on him, I didn't think of him as a villain. Then I
realized that's probably not what you meant. And that I should stop
following pol
> Judah wrote:
> I'm just not seeing how anyone is coming out a villain here.
>
Hint: the villain's name rhymes with damn.
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Yes, I read that article when it first came out. A lot of the criticism I
see in that article seems to be coming from the view point that it must be
bad because the hospital has a financial interest in it. And no one,
including me, said that the program didn't have the hospital's financial
interest
> RoMunn wrote:
> How do you reach women who believe that Sarah Palin is a successful,
> powerful woman and a role model?
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I don't think I have done any of those things actually. It has
probably been done -- but that is not my point. My point is that
womanpower is being made into the latest Republican issue, presumably
replacing gay marriage. I can see that it (the aleged support not the
issue itself) is a crock but th
How do you reach women who believe that Sarah Palin is a successful,
powerful woman and a role model? You acknowledge her success and her
importance instead of attempting at every turn to dismiss,
marginalize, and destroy her. How about that for a starting point?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, D
you're welcome. i don't think she would say that she is the
end-all-be-all of feminism either, just another woman's voice.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:10 AM, denstar wrote:
> Hey Rob, I meant to say thanks for posting that Paglia link. She is a
> good writer.
>
> I don't think she's the end-all-be-
care for but wait until its very
serious and a trip to the ER is needed. This is costly and bad for the
health system at large.
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They don't all agree with you.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Sends them away"? No, the program in question tries to get patients to
> other medical care that is b
"Sends them away"? No, the program in question tries to get patients to
other medical care that is better suited to their needs. Emergency rooms are
expensive to both the hospital and the patient and they are geared toward
treating..wait for it...emergencies. With declining numbers of people having
Her pay tripled because Obama earmarked millions for her hospital.
How about helping the poor? She sends them away.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691,CST-NWS-hosp23.article
U. of C. shunning poor patients?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand the sentiment and I agreee with it actually. This woman
is NOT a feminist.
(Charging rape victims for rape kits?? WTF)
I also think that the author is right that the Democratic party
machine messed up yet again in its quest to not seem too radical.
(Someone please tell them to get ov
> Billy wrote:
> +10 for the article, but I have to make one observation...
>
Yeah, great article.
But compare Michele Obama's "I'm not asking for a hand out, I'm asking
for an opportunity" type of both feminism and racism to Palin's.
I don't think you can fault Palin for not setting out to X; w
+10 for the article, but I have to make one observation...
One of the timeless paradoxes of the struggle for freedom is that once
gained, that freedom does not come with a guarantee that its use will honor
those who fought so hard to secure it.
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From: Beth In Alaska [m
Hey Rob, I meant to say thanks for posting that Paglia link. She is a
good writer.
I don't think she's the end-all-be-all on feminism, but it was an
entertaining read.
--
can't go on / thinking, nothing's wrong
who's gonna drive you home, tonight
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Robert Munn w
This woman drank the Steinem Kool-Aid years ago, apparently. Read
Camille Paglia. Now that's a woman who supports women's power, and she
doesn't have a political litmus test for it, either.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Beth wrote:
> How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment?
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