Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

"I got to see the northern lights for the first time in my life on my trip to Canada a few weeks ago. Not a lot of colors, but very cool nonetheless!" There was a solar storm in 1859 in which the Aurorae where seen around the world. It was such

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Obviously they did. http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Temps_Dropping.jpg . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The last solar maximum was 2000 and fell down to close to zero in > 2010. If the solar cycle is strongly correlated to the temperature of > the ea

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Uh...why would you equate the perfectly reasonable idea of natural > earth cycles, > to the debunked theories of flat earth or the earth being the center of the > universe?" > > Just as an aside related to cycles, the sun is experienc

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

The last solar maximum was 2000 and fell down to close to zero in 2010. If the solar cycle is strongly correlated to the temperature of the earth, temperatures would have been falling from 2000 to 2010. Obviously, they did not. Judah On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Uh.

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

I was sloppy in my response: unless I'm mistaken, yes, there is a scientific theory with the words "global warming" in it, but, no, it is not a tested predictive theory of climate on any type of useful basis (I.e., accurately predicts weather locally or globally). I've heard it described this

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

"Uh...why would you equate the perfectly reasonable idea of natural earth cycles, to the debunked theories of flat earth or the earth being the center of the universe?" Just as an aside related to cycles, the sun is experience an unusually high amount of activity the summer. This is causing

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

So CO2 levels went way down in US and Europe but went way up in china and India. Not that CO2 has anything to do with warming in real life but in your fantasy it does so... Didn't I mention this was going to happen? So what was the goal again? . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Gruss Gott wro

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:38 AM, GMoney wrote: > > there is no scientific theory around global warmingso don't be throwing > that word around. Of course there is. The theory says that increased concentrations of CO2 and Methane (along with other gases to lesser extents) act as an insulation

RE: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

We agree: - Cycles is an observation not a theory - global warming is an observation not a theory They're actually the same thing just with a different time horizon: - "these numbers over these years seem to cycle up and down" - "these numbers over these years seem to go up steeply" We don't k

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We don't know. We only know that formal analysis of data shows special cause variation happening for about the last 10-12 years ... Maybe longer ... We don't know what that cause is, the nature of the physics, nor do we have any predictive scientific theories of those physics. Thus all we can

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Well, I would say the analogy is hypotheses based on casual observation > (flat Earth) versus scientific theories based on macroscopic, precise > measurement or at least predictive calculation (relativity, the standard > model, etc) > > For

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haha that shit right there made me lol. Sometimes you're just too funny Gruss. . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Well, I would say the analogy is hypotheses based on casual observation (flat > Earth) versus scientific theories based on macroscopic, precise measurement

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Well, I would say the analogy is hypotheses based on casual observation (flat Earth) versus scientific theories based on macroscopic, precise measurement or at least predictive calculation (relativity, the standard model, etc) For example, "cycles" is a reasonable, but casual observation as in:

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Denier. . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM, GMoney wrote: >> >> It's pretty clear that a climatic change has been unleashed and we really >> have no idea how fast it'll accelerate or what will happen. We could be >> very well on our way to what Venus or Mars are like or maybe it's all just >>

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Maybe we'll adapt, maybe not, who knows? > > It's pretty clear that a climatic change has been unleashed and we really > have no idea how fast it'll accelerate or what will happen. We could be > very well on our way to what Venus or Mars a

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"It's pretty clear that a climatic change has been unleashed and we really have no idea how fast it'll accelerate or what will happen. " When was climate change ever leashed? J - We paid for this instead of a generation of health insurance, or an alternative energy grid, or a brand-new syste

Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Maybe we'll adapt, maybe not, who knows? It's pretty clear that a climatic change has been unleashed and we really have no idea how fast it'll accelerate or what will happen. We could be very well on our way to what Venus or Mars are like or maybe it's all just "cycles" and the earth is reall

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Yes, now stop sitting on your head. . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > That is only a theory, therefore it is invalid. > > See what I did there? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! htt

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The east coast had hail during 100 degree temperatures last week. . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca > despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's > history." > > No r

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: > It's just another cycle. > No need to adjust > That is only a theory, therefore it is invalid. See what I did there? ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www

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"rollingstone? Really?" How about this line: "The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's history." No reference available unfortunately. Anyway, let me present a source just a reliable as R

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It's just another cycle. No need to adjust . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:09 AM, GMoney wrote: > >> I've decided it doesn't really matter. If 108 is the new normal summer here >> in KC...we'll adapt. We already have. > > > I think ea

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:09 AM, GMoney wrote: > I've decided it doesn't really matter. If 108 is the new normal summer here > in KC...we'll adapt. We already have. I think each locality will adapt in their own way. Each having it's own unique challenges related to water availability, power c

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Yes, i've read all that. In the mean time, it was 106 yesterday, and it's going to be 108 today. Worst summer in KC since 1936. Arctic ice is melting, blah blah. Hey, i know these things don't mean global warming. I know some people are always going to doubt it for political reasons. that's fine

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You realize while we're having a drought it hasn't stopped raining in the UK and I think yesterday was the first time this year it almost hit 80 degrees. So when they say "global', they mean local. And there's this: The IAC reported that IPCC lead authors fail to give "due consideration ... to

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It's been WELL over 100 for going on 3 straight weeks here in Kansas City. I have a new take on global warming. It's real, it's happening, but.so what? Life is amazingly adaptable. The other day it cooled off to 101, so my buddies and I went out side and played basketball for 2 hours. Ask a

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rollingstone? Really? . On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > From: > http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719 > (http://bit.ly/NLLFlG) > > If the pictures of those towering wildfires in Colorado haven't convinced > you, or t