Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Dana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#Reauthorizations http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20030217.html oh and more on privacy in the US; http://www.eff.org/cases/warshak-v-usa http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h112203.html On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMA

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Dana
::mumble:: been busy finding some thing for you about European privacy laws. A lot of people seem to think this is fairly self-evident and has been for a while, so it's hard to find something that doesn't involve downloading a country-by-country guide for $75 or so, and I draw the line at combing E

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
When was it enacted? I can't seem to find that information. On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and you really think Patriot II has made things *better*? > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Michael Dinowitz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Um, until I actually rea

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Dana
and you really think Patriot II has made things *better*? On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um, until I actually read the paper I'm not going to depend on an abstract > alone. Are they comparing current laws vs. proposed ones? Are they talking > about

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Um, until I actually read the paper I'm not going to depend on an abstract alone. Are they comparing current laws vs. proposed ones? Are they talking about ecommerce (as they specifically referenced a bill dealing with commercial practices)? What about the sentence about moving the US MORE towards

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Dana
um, no. It is not. Sorry. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V8G-4BRB7KS-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=450fc63c2125b9cf39128566a8e65272 On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
None of the above is not allowed on this one. Someone will take control and do you want it to be Saudi Arabia? As for the NSA, they'll be doing it no matter who runs it. Bottom line is, no matter what we think about the US and its policy on privacy, it's still a quantum leap above most of the rest

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-14 Thread Dana
working. The US, Canada, and > Britian would have the only working connections being a part of the > coalition of the willing. What's wrong with that? > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 200

RE: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-13 Thread Jeff Garza
turday, September 13, 2008 5:43 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change. Of course, it should be in the hands of the UN. They are always prepared to defend our rights, especially the one of free speech. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Of course, it should be in the hands of the UN. They are always prepared to defend our rights, especially the one of free speech. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd rather it not be in the hands of *any* country that thinks that > warrantless searches are ok,

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
I'd rather it not be in the hands of *any* country that thinks that warrantless searches are ok, thank you :) On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you would you rather have Russia and China determine the fate of > Internet privacy?

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
So you would you rather have Russia and China determine the fate of Internet privacy? On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Dana wrote: > the US, champion of internet privacy :) I think you just won the day's > "lack of self-awareness" trophy :) ~~~

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
the US, champion of internet privacy :) I think you just won the day's "lack of self-awareness" trophy :) On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case anyone is still wondering why the U.S. should retain control > over standards on the Internet, this is why. >

Re: Well it is still politics, but international - internet politics for a change.

2008-09-12 Thread Robert Munn
In case anyone is still wondering why the U.S. should retain control over standards on the Internet, this is why. Applebaum is right, of course, no professional black hat would get caught by such measures. But plenty of ordinary people would get jailed in places like China and Russia for daring to