Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Weegs wrote: > but if none of those homosexual men had heterosexual sisters, then eventually > it would die off. your essay, although well written seems to assume a lot and > not look at the instances like what i described above. > Then how did they ever evolve? We shouldn't assume we understa

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-21 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but if none of those homosexual men had heterosexual sisters, then eventually > it would die off. your essay, although well written seems to assume a lot and > not look at the instances like what i described above. > You are corre

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-21 Thread Tony
but if none of those homosexual men had heterosexual sisters, then eventually it would die off. your essay, although well written seems to assume a lot and not look at the instances like what i described above. -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddha

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > It's also a great read before taking next evolutionary step (he he) in > looking into some hypotheses on the holes in ToE here: > > http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Evolution-Weirdest-Explains-Paperback/dp/0393323102/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227203925&sr=1-1 > Forgot to note the

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > Thanks David. Evolution is a difficult subject to explain in part > because it seems like it ought to be obvious because it is so close to > us. The temptation to impose non-scientific ideals on it, like social > darwinism, is understandable because it deals with humans in a way >

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-20 Thread William Bowen
> I've also read research that the so-called "seven year itch" has a > biological basis. When a child is approximately seven years old, the > male is no longer needed as much... Ah yes... the ol'Pon Far :-) -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacce

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-20 Thread Deanna Schneider
If I recall correctly from my college social anthropology course (which was a long time ago), there are several cultures in which the norm is to have homosexual relationships pre-puberty and post-menopause, and that heterosexual pairings only occur during the fertile years. In these societies, it m

RE: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:31 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: evolution and homosexuality > > There is a reason monogamy and monotony have the same root word. ;-> > > Marriage

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Maureen
There is a reason monogamy and monotony have the same root word. ;-> Marriage is totally a social convention. It has nothing to with biology. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > to extend this argumentwho actually thinks marriage is > biologically

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
to extend this argumentwho actually thinks marriage is biologically normal? There are very few monogamous species, mammals in particular, in the animal kingdom. With the amount of cheating and the divorce rate in our species, I would surmise that we're not one of them. On Nov 19,

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Thanks David. Evolution is a difficult subject to explain in part because it seems like it ought to be obvious because it is so close to us. The temptation to impose non-scientific ideals on it, like social darwinism, is understandable because it deals with humans in a way that, say, particle physi

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Actually my point is that it doesn't necessarily *matter* from an evolutionary perspective if they can reproduce. Having a kid is important in terms of heredity, but it isn't the end-all be-all of evolution. Now you can argue that marriage has a benefit from a social perspective and how heterosexu

RE: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread David Churvis
Judah, This is one of the best descriptions of natural selection I've ever heard. It's hard to reduce such a complex principle into a very few words, which is I think why curt phrases like "survival of the fittest" cause more harm than good. David Churvis -Original Message- From: Judah M

Re: evolution and homosexuality

2008-11-19 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Deviates slightly from the point I was making which is that biologically human homosexuals can't reproduce. But very insightful nonetheless. So to summarize you can have a gay marriage as long as your sister has kids or you're a termite. Good news is I've never put as much thought into my opin