me it.
>> >>
>> >> I've worked side by wide with MSCEs who just learned
>> >> about computers 12
>> >> months before and it shows. They can only troubleshoot
>> >> what they know
>> >> and not rule out anything outside their scop
me's are Weebl, Bob, Snoopy, Woody and Pie
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> /me runs
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> :D
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> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ng out my tax forms and
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> The best interview question I ever had
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::Squints:: you've named your computer Alfred or something haven't you
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And wouldn't needing some sun make him pale not jaundiced?
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ana
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::Squints:: you've named your computer Alfred or something haven't you ")
And wouldn't needing some sun make him pale not jaundiced?
D
ana
Erika L Walker-Arnold writes:
> You should have answered:
>
> "Well, he's a little jaundiced. Likely needs to get out in the sun once
> in a while...but he'
; >> months before and it shows. They can only troubleshoot
> >> what they know
> >> and not rule out anything outside their scope of
> >> knowledge. I've also
> >> worked with people who started programming on an Apple II
> >> when they were
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Yes, some of the Cisco certs have practical exams. Some of the certs are so
scary, that finding someone with the cert is
Yes, some of the Cisco certs have practical exams. Some of the certs are so scary, that finding someone with the cert is like winning the lottery.
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From: Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2003 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re:CF Salary Rang
Aren't there post secondary institutions in the US that offer technical diplomas?
> In response to your "It doesn't take four years" argument, I
> would have
> to agree with you. But, most of the four years in college is not
> on
> curriculum-specific courses. All of the "general" courses a
> Don't some of the more advanced Cisco Certs have a practical exam?
>
>
> Timothy Heald
I just checked with our Cisco instructor over in the next cubicle. Yes, the
highest cert, CCIE (Cisco Certified Internetworking Engineer), requires a
practical lab. That's for working on things like routers th
e of
>> knowledge. I've also
>> worked with people who started programming on an Apple II
>> when they were
>> 6 years old and they are a wealth of knowledge.
>>
>> Some kind of mentor program may work. If I was hiring
>> anyone, I would
>> real
You should have answered:
"Well, he's a little jaundiced. Likely needs to get out in the sun once
in a while...but he's a workaholic. Always on when I need him, though he
could probably be faster. He likes to be air-canned every once in a
while, and if he had his druthers, he'd like long walks in
At 02:05 PM 10/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: CF Salary Range
>From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:54:18 GMT
>Thread:
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=messages&threadid=9858&forumid=5#90488
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> >
> > I was speaking in hiring. If all els
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The best interview question I ever had asked of me (for tech support) -
"Describe your computer to me."
Dana
Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\) writes:
> To me, I could ca
> hobby and in previous employment.
>
> IMHO
>
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> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > We need to get o
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> We need to get out of the certwhore IT mentality, and need to realize that
practical experience under the guidance of mentors is a required component
in create quality IT people.
Perhaps an apprenticeship program. Or certification that requires hands-on
k
a
hobby and in previous employment.
IMHO
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From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> We need to get out of the certwhore IT mentality, and need to realize
that prac
> > We need to get out of the certwhore IT mentality, and need to
> realize that practical experience under the guidance of mentors is
> a required component in create quality IT people.
>
> Perhaps an apprenticeship program. Or certification that requires
> hands-on
> knowledge. I've talked to
> We need to get out of the certwhore IT mentality, and need to realize that practical experience under the guidance of mentors is a required component in create quality IT people.
Perhaps an apprenticeship program. Or certification that requires hands-on
knowledge. I've talked to my share of igno
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From: Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2003 8:49 am
Subject: Re:CF Salary Range
> Kwang Suh wrote:
> >>No. The cost and speed of moving a finished product to the other
> side of
> >>the world are much
Kwang Suh wrote:
>>No. The cost and speed of moving a finished product to the other side of
>>the world are much lower in the case of IT as in other cases. Not to
>>mention that for certain jobs presence close to the market is simply a
>>requirement (how is a doctor on the other side of the world g
ksuh wrote:
>
>As for your 'geer brothers, see if they would have their jobs without
>their education. That would be their "designation", as it were.
If the education is of a certain level, graduates can qualify for membership of certain peer review groups/ societies.
>Doesn't anyone find it w
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