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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
The answer is obvious that I took and understood science. You on the other hand did not seem to grasp what they tried to teach you. . On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > nice bit of dodging the question Sam. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > L

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2013-09-17 Thread Scott Stroz
So, because 'thousands' of 'school kids' sent him letters saying they disagree, we should make Pluto a planet again? Maybe we should let all school kids dictate science policy and procedures. Imagine how fun that would be. Once again, he did not 'demote' Pluto, as far as we know, he did not even

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2013-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
You know, I was the one who suggested Neal Degrasse Tyson because I really thought it was the most innocuous suggestion possible and I was curious on what grounds Sam would bizarrely attack it. I had not considered Pluto. Good to know that he still has the capacity to surprise me. Judah On Tue,

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2013-09-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
nice bit of dodging the question Sam. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Sam wrote: > > Larry, > If half the astronomers don't agree with the new classification how can it > be scientific? > Sounds like politics to me. > > Maybe you should read up on the subject of science. You can start here: >

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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
I guess you missed the irony of it. . On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > You know, I was the one who suggested Neal Degrasse Tyson because I really > thought it was the most innocuous suggestion possible and I was curious on > what grounds Sam would bizarrely attack it.

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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
Holy shit your anal. . On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, because 'thousands' of 'school kids' sent him letters saying they > disagree, we should make Pluto a planet again? > > Maybe we should let all school kids dictate science policy and procedures. > Imagine how f

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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
Hate Mail From Third Graders - By Susan K. Lewis - Posted 01.01.10 - NOVA "It's not easy being a public enemy," writes Neil deGrasse Tyson in his book The Pluto Files. When Neil's Hayden Planetarium grouped Pluto not among the planets but rather with icy comets in the Kuiper Belt, he h

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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
Really, that's how you think? You amaze me. So petty in your thoughts. . On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > It sounds like there were some who were pissed they did not get their way - > and one guy who seemed to be saying 'the new definition is too complex, so > lets not

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2013-09-17 Thread Scott Stroz
If thinking that science is sometimes complex, and should not be dumbed down makes me 'petty', I am OK with that. The article makes those who were against 'demoting' Pluto sound like a bunch of whiny little kids, as well as painting those who pushed it through sound sneaky and underhanded. Neithe

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2013-09-17 Thread Scott Stroz
It sounds like there were some who were pissed they did not get their way - and one guy who seemed to be saying 'the new definition is too complex, so lets not use it' Newsflash: science is sometimes complex. Funny, Neil Degrasse-Tyson is not mentioned once in that article. You would think someon

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2013-09-17 Thread Sam
Not sure where I read half but I did. But just to see why this is controversial: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5283956.stm . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am sure you have sources for the claim that 'half' the astronomers were > against the change? > > > On Mon, Sep

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2013-09-17 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
or Idiocracy by any other name. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Soit is his fault that these children and their parents are ignorant of > how science works? And your idea it that we should placate their ignorance > and not appoint, arguably, the most qualified pers

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I am sure you have sources for the claim that 'half' the astronomers were against the change? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Sam wrote: > > Do you realize half the astronomers were against the change? That's the > problem with science these days. More and more it's being based on power > p

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
Do you realize half the astronomers were against the change? That's the problem with science these days. More and more it's being based on power players rather than facts. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Soit is his fault that these children and their parents a

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Soit is his fault that these children and their parents are ignorant of how science works? And your idea it that we should placate their ignorance and not appoint, arguably, the most qualified person in the US as a 'Science Laureate'? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Sam wrote: > > That i

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I think it is a great lessonsometimes, science gets it 'wrong'. Sometimes, we gather new data, we are able to use technology to re-examine things. Sometimes, this causes us to change what we 'know'. Pluto being 'demoted' is a prefect example how how science actually is supposed to work. On

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
That is what he said, kids all over the country sent him angry letters. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Children were pissed off about Pluto? > > Where do your kids go to school? > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > Is that what you read? >

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Children were pissed off about Pluto? Where do your kids go to school? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is that what you read? > > I was just pointing out the irony in creating an ambassador of science for > children job and then appointing the one guy that pissed off more chi

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
Weird. Must be a mental disorder. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > There is also the risk that the position would promote atheists. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > So, you would be against Neil Degrasse-Tyson being Science Laurea

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
Is that what you read? I was just pointing out the irony in creating an ambassador of science for children job and then appointing the one guy that pissed off more children than anyone could ever imagine. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, you would be against Nei

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2013-09-16 Thread Judah McAuley
There is also the risk that the position would promote atheists. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, you would be against Neil Degrasse-Tyson being Science Laureate because > he does not think Pluto is a planet? > >

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
So, you would be against Neil Degrasse-Tyson being Science Laureate because he does not think Pluto is a planet? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Sam wrote: > > Larry, > If half the astronomers don't agree with the new classification how can it > be scientific? > Sounds like politics to me. >

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
Larry, If half the astronomers don't agree with the new classification how can it be scientific? Sounds like politics to me. Maybe you should read up on the subject of science. You can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Larry C. Ly

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2013-09-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Sam, Science is not about popularity contests, its entirely about what the data dictates. You simply don't seem to get. Seriously did you take any science courses, or a philosophy of science course beyond high school? Everything you've said so far indicates no. Try educating yourself for once. St

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Except he didn't, it was Mike Brown. > > He started it by re-classifying it at the Hayden Planetarium. > FWIW, science isn't supposed to be warm and snuggly, so upsetting kids is > going to happen sometimes. > > FWIW, the Science Laureat

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2013-09-16 Thread William Bowen
Except he didn't, it was Mike Brown. FWIW, science isn't supposed to be warm and snuggly, so upsetting kids is going to happen sometimes. So glad I didn't simply reach for a bible when Brontosaurus was made double-extinct... that was upsetting, but necessary. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:04 AM,

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2013-09-16 Thread Judah McAuley
I'm guessing that Sam is all ready to reply and explain that Neal Degrasse Tyson has well known connections to the New Black Panther party. Or the Muslim Brotherhood. Or both. Also, Benghazi. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > +1 light year. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 20

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
I see it's easier to dismiss someone as a racists than to try and have a logical debate. You are too predictable. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I'm guessing that Sam is all ready to reply and explain that Neal Degrasse > Tyson has well known connections to the

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2013-09-16 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
+1 light year. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I bet he'd appoint Neal Degrasse Tyson. And that should be a permanent > position for him. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > We do? > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Sam wrot

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2013-09-16 Thread Judah McAuley
I bet he'd appoint Neal Degrasse Tyson. And that should be a permanent position for him. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > We do? > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > We all know Obama will appoint Jim Hanson and Michael Mann to promote his > > cap

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
The dude demoted Pluto. That upset so many kids. Try another. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I bet he'd appoint Neal Degrasse Tyson. And that should be a permanent > position for him. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > We do? >

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
We do? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Sam wrote: > > We all know Obama will appoint Jim Hanson and Michael Mann to promote his > cap-n-trade agenda. > > . > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > How is having a science laureate putting politics in science? > > >

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
We all know Obama will appoint Jim Hanson and Michael Mann to promote his cap-n-trade agenda. . On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > How is having a science laureate putting politics in science? > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > How is keeping pol

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I guess having a poet laureate is putting politics in prose? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Sam wrote: > > How is keeping politics out of science anti-science? > > . > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons >wrote: > > > > > > > > http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2013/09/u.s

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2013-09-16 Thread Scott Stroz
How is having a science laureate putting politics in science? On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Sam wrote: > > How is keeping politics out of science anti-science? > > . > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons >wrote: > > > > > > > > http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2013/09/u.

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2013-09-16 Thread Sam
How is keeping politics out of science anti-science? . On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2013/09/u.s.-science-laureate-bill-hits-roadblock > > “It would give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we’re opposed > to it.” >

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2013-09-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2013/09/u.s.-science-laureate-bill-hits-roadblock “It would give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we’re opposed to it.” The GOP anti-science climate change deniers wing is getting far too wacked out. Simply amazing ~~