I don't want to gloss over what Zaph was talking about really, which
is trying to make one language behave like another.
We're creatures of habit, so it's an easy trap to fall into. Why
should we change, when we can just change the world instead? ;)
:Den
--
Listen to the cry of a woman in la
I know several languages. Frankly I'm of the opinion that every language I pick
up has made me a better programmer regardless of which language I'm using at
the moment. Java's not in my resume yet though. It's been on my need-to-learn
list for a while, but somehow every time I think I've got ti
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Its frustrating. Requirements and Specification docs? Use Cases? I
> suspect that they are mythical at times at least for this project.
>
> If we spend the time doing proper design and create class and sequence
> diagrams, I think that you
Its frustrating. Requirements and Specification docs? Use Cases? I
suspect that they are mythical at times at least for this project.
If we spend the time doing proper design and create class and sequence
diagrams, I think that you cut the overall effort by a third.
Frequently you end up catching
My supervisor likes to release it quick, "...Then we've got the project done
and we go into maintenance mode"
it kills me just a little each time I hear him say that.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Agreed. This wasn't. You had display in act files, queries in display
>
My prediction, about the same as a snowball's chance in hell. No
design time, no proper UML. Just pure frustration.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Agreed. This wasn't. You had display in act files, queries in display
> files, no qry files. That and other ruffles and fl
"Agreed. This wasn't. You had display in act files, queries in display
files, no qry files. That and other ruffles and flourishes make the entire
thing a spaghetti code monster. Over 600 files of spaghetti code all mashed
together. What fun."
Let's just hope that they give you time to do it right
>
> > And I'm such a fascist that I allow people like you to post
> without restriction. Evil, evil me.
>
This is obviously a Zionist plot. Damn tricky Jews!
Calling Michael a Fascist is pretty damned retarded. I don't even know you
and I know that's not true.
Don't we have anything better to
Agreed. This wasn't. You had display in act files, queries in display
files, no qry files. That and other ruffles and flourishes make the
entire thing a spaghetti code monster. Over 600 files of spaghetti
code all mashed together. What fun.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote
gt; Palestinian.
>
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US steps up to the plate and defends Israel, blocking UN
> condemnation.
>
>
> Is
"thanks I'd rather start from scratch, but the powers that be don't like the
idea."
I feel your pain.
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Technically, Larry, Fusebox II (done right) is an MVC framework.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>> The next stage is going to be the real challenge,
>> moving the whole thing into an MVC framework
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It would, but the error message will be different - assuming you are
not using error handling.
I try to look at it from an API standpoint. I would rather let a user
know we were expecting an array than saying what was passed in is
being treated like an array, but it isn't an array. A subtle, but
yeah, but won't it error out the same either way?
On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> If you have a method that is expecting an array as an argument, where
> you will be looping over that array, wouldn't you want to make sure
> its actually an array before you try to loop over i
If you have a method that is expecting an array as an argument, where
you will be looping over that array, wouldn't you want to make sure
its actually an array before you try to loop over it? By setting
type="array" CF takes care of that for us. Otherwise, you would need
to add a to the method t
+1I'd say you can pick up *any* other language and see how they do things
differently and maybe try to incorporate those strategies into your cf
development.
on a side note, I wonder how many people on the cf-comm list aren't doing cf
dev anymore?
On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Chris Stone
I may be missing something, but I can't find a reason for this? I can see it
where you have a compiled language as it would throw an error at compile type,
but for a dynamic language what could the benefit be?
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> its good for
> development, bu
Actually, returntype="any" is less of a performance hit because CF
does nto need to check the values being passed in or returned from a
method.
I have always heard to type variables in dev, but not in production
for this very reason.
On an aside, in CF9 there is a way to turn off checking types
thanks I'd rather start from scratch, but the powers that be don't
like the idea. I'll try to argue them into using something fairly
simple, such as using Sean Corfield's FW/1 framework. So far I've been
very impressed with it.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Don't remi
the simplest way to explain it is if it walks like a duck and talks
like a duck then its a duck.
in cf terms its when you use returntype="any" in a cffunction. You
take a performance hit but gain a lot of flexibility. its good for
development, but really the return type ought to be set for
produc
Well I spent the first 9ish years of my career doing CF. Spent the last 3
doing C#. I think what I have learned there has made me a much better
developer. And Its made me understand a lot more about what I didnt
understand when I was doing CF. So while pure OO in CF is not the best
option, the
I remember things like this. As the ColdFusion platform matured and CF
developers took on bigger and more complex projects, people in the
community recognized the need for more structured programming
techniques. Borrowing from Java, the language underlying the CF
platform, was a natural avenue to
i won't argue the value of design patterns, I use them everyday. What
my observations were was that it often seemed that it was "java
implements this pattern, how can we do that in cf"
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:22 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> The rub: the stuff with dependency in
"Don't remind me. I'm struggling with a site exactly like that. A simple
site that started life as a fuzebox 2 approach and then mutated into a
maintenance nightmare. The next stage is going to be the real challenge,
moving the whole thing into an MVC framework, removing duplicate code,
redundant
"Its something started in the CF world by Hal Helms and there's been some
interesting comments by Matt Woodward:"
ADHD kicked in. I could not finish the article. I'll just have to remain in
the dark on duck typing.
J
===
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants. - Albert Camus
Yup. I came to patterns out of necessity.
You can only go on for so long with the simple stuff, before you're
like, there has *got* to be a better way. A different kind of simple,
perhaps.
It takes more in lead-up, as most things that make stuff easier down
the line do, but it's worth it, in t
Don't remind me. I'm struggling with a site exactly like that. A
simple site that started life as a fuzebox 2 approach and then mutated
into a maintenance nightmare. The next stage is going to be the real
challenge, moving the whole thing into an MVC framework, removing
duplicate code, redundant q
The rub: the stuff with dependency injection, MVC and whatnot are
design patterns, and not limited to language X.
"Simple" is only simple for so long. Then it's a maintenance nightmare.
:Den
--
The only theism worthy of our respect believes in God not because of
the way the world is made but
No arguments there. If it works for you, and get you through the night...
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure he was joking...
>
> but to respond to about the blog, anytime someone suggests you learn java to
> understand cf better...well, that makes as m
I'm pretty sure he was joking...
but to respond to about the blog, anytime someone suggests you learn java to
understand cf better...well, that makes as much sense as telling a Chevy
mechanic that he needs to learn all about Kawasaki's in order to understand
Chevy's better.
Looking back at i
Geez I hate visiting a blog and seeing all that blog spam on the comments
section...
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Its something started in the CF world by Hal Helms and there's been
> some interesting comments by Matt Woodward:
>
> http://www.mattwoodward.com/machblo
Its something started in the CF world by Hal Helms and there's been
some interesting comments by Matt Woodward:
http://www.mattwoodward.com/machblog/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryID=019336D7-FC46-5419-55392AB467A2D4C5
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Would that be duck t
"Would that be duck typing?" I have probably done that too. However, drunk
typing far exceeds duck typing.
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Would that be duck typing?
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Do you goosestep Jerry? GOSE STEP JERRY!!!"
>
> That would be a negative. Far from it. Occasionally, I duck walk though.
>
> J
>
> ===
>
> The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
"Do you goosestep Jerry? GOSE STEP JERRY!!!"
That would be a negative. Far from it. Occasionally, I duck walk though.
J
===
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants. - Albert Camus
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estinian girls and they would come up with
> > some excuse to justify it.
> >
> > I doubt heads will roll...they never do unless said heads are removed by
> a
> > Palestinian.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Mic
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Your argument really does lose a lot of its luster when you lump every
> one who disagrees with you into the same group.
>
> It seems that you have the attitude of 'if you are not with me, than
> you are against me'.
>
A wise Jedi once sai
an.
>
> Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US steps up to the plate and defends Israel, blocking UN
> condemnation.
>
>
> Israel always
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:01 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US steps up to the plate and defends Israel, blocking UN
condemnation.
"The United States came to the defence of Israel yesterday and blocked the
condemnation of that country for the attack on the Freedom Flo
l Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US steps up to the plate and defends Israel, blocking UN
condemnation.
Israel always investigates these types of events and they do not
automatically rule in their own favor. On the other hand
So I take it you believe that the right thinking people of the world would have
taken the original statement by Turkey as fair? You don't think that's maybe a
little one sided? Not to mention that calling for a transparent investigation
is hardly letting Israel off. That's like saying that call
Do you goosestep Jerry? GOSE STEP JERRY!!!
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "The United States came to the defence of Israel yesterday and blocked the
> condemnation of that country for the attack on the Freedom Flotilla."
>
> The current administration i
"The United States came to the defence of Israel yesterday and blocked the
condemnation of that country for the attack on the Freedom Flotilla."
The current administration is a bunch of damned Nazis.
Snicker.
~|
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Israel always investigates these types of events and they do not
automatically rule in their own favor. On the other hand, as we've
seen with the error fulled Goldstein report, when the UN's so called
human rights council does an investigation, it's really a lynching.
You'll probably miss it but
The United States came to the defence of Israel yesterday and blocked
the condemnation of that country for the attack on the Freedom
Flotilla.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/01/rachel-corrie-aid-ship-he_n_595816.html
"But the presidential statement that was finally agreed to and read at
a
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