Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
wow...SouthParkStudios.com has all the south park episodes online. On Mar 15, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, William Bowen > wrote: > >> >>> Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. >> >> And the new season starts Wed

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > > Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. > > And the new season starts Wednesday !! > > -- > will > > Speaking of animation sitcoms, Anyone watching Archer on FX? http://www.hulu.com/archer ~~~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread William Bowen
> Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. And the new season starts Wednesday !! -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| W

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread G Money
Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > South Park FTW! > > I've got to start watching that againit's been too long since I've seen > it and Matt & Trey are brilliant. > >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
South Park FTW! I've got to start watching that againit's been too long since I've seen it and Matt & Trey are brilliant. On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:20 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> and if you go to t

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
'I want to ban "person X said" when they are not quoting exactly what person X said. If they're paraphrasing someone, say so:' Definitely agree with this. It would actually be more like this: "an activist who took part in the incident at a pizza parlor was detained today says official" Sort of

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread G Money
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of > how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young > boys. > > /sarcasm > > All I saw were a lot of Marlon

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
given the long boring talk I would imagine that the reporter probably was desperate for a beer halfway through the interview. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Dana wrote: > > that's almost inevitable if you are filtering events through someone > else's perceptions. Was that long boring talk real

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Dana
that's almost inevitable if you are filtering events through someone else's perceptions. Was that long boring talk really boring, or was the reporter in a hurry to go drink a beer? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > It's another one of my spur of the moment quotes. > >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It's another one of my spur of the moment quotes. If the media lies and I'm the media, does that mean that my quote is a lie? If it's a lie, then... :) The problem is that there is no way to separate the 'type' of media I am from the type of media I mean, that being news reporting. Most news is

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
it's not a quote if you don't tell us who said it. Also, I know this is a low blow, but you *do* realize that you are the media, right? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > "media is the lies we accept about what is happening" > > ~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
"media is the lies we accept about what is happening" ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-commun

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
well, altered is... it should be accurate, but need not contain the exact exact words. It's pretty standard. I uses this once, for example, when I wasn't sure whether the person said a couple or a few. It didn't matter to the substance of the remark, but making it an indirect quote seemed safer t

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
So as long as there are no quotes, it's an indirect quote and can be altered when summarizing? Is this a standard editorial practice or one used on a editor by editor (or organization by organization) basis? Either way, as you can't show quote marks on the radio, another thing I'd add to the list

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
if the official said exactly that then it should be in quotes. An indirect quote is usually used to summarize long boring segments or when the reporter is not entirely sure of the wording. terrorist is specific enough to always be in a direct quote and imho a serious enough thing to say about som

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I want to ban "person X said" when they are not quoting exactly what person X said. If they're paraphrasing someone, say so: "a terrorist who took part in the bombing of a pizza parlor was captured today says official" "an activist who took part in the bombing of a pizza parlor was captured today

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young boys." I suppose so, but I'll never know. That you can be sure of. ~| Want to

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
I never said the site was non-partisan. They wear their partisanship on their sleeve, unlike the media. In reference to the double standard on party naming, their are plenty of articles on the site that give specific examples, mostly AP articles, of the practice, including links to the actual ar

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young boys. /sarcasm On Mar 14, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Check out http://newsbusters.org/. You can find dozens of examples withou

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Check out http://newsbusters.org/.  You can find dozens of examples without > trying real hard. Hmm, I just looked at the newsbusters.org site and in the first three postings they discuss "Chi-Com envy", "Liberal Fascism" and "Obamacare".

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
Check out http://newsbusters.org/. You can find dozens of examples without trying real hard. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Dana wrote: > > I have not noticed this but I would agree, it should be consistent if it's > not > > > Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation. If you are

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
I have not noticed this but I would agree, it should be consistent if it's not > Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation.  If you are going to > use it to describe a politician, use it for all politicians.  Seems that the > media is always happy to throw Republican behind somebody ca

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
He missed "unexpected". I am so tired of seeing the job and housing numbers come out, and the media saying they "unexpectedly" grew larger. Unexpected by whom? Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation. If you are going to use it to describe a politician, use it for all politicians.

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
For a news org moving into the next century, quality is one of the factors that will make or break an organization. Quality being "Job 1". I can think of no top-down message from a CEO that could have more beneficial longterm impact on employees. Of course, middle management will (as they shoul

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > >This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a > "must > >never use these words!" policy...that's kinda stupid. > > +1 > > It certainly seems like the CEO for a struggling enterprise could find a > better use of

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a "must >never use these words!" policy...that's kinda stupid. +1 It certainly seems like the CEO for a struggling enterprise could find a better use of his time. ~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Dana
I just got to the list itself -- yesterday was fun, had to call a locksmith and then the house flooded --- but I wanted to call blessings down on the man for banning "utilize". ugh On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I agree with banning almost every on that list. > > Wish I co

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Maureen
I agree with banning almost every on that list. Wish I could make my list of words and phrases to ban from news, movies and television shows. Main Street vs Wall Street He's just a little kid She's only (some number) years old. Connecting the dots and especially Oh my God or OMG. I hates that o

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Ah, me and my arrow. Loved that. Speaking of dogs with pointy heads: http://bobthewonderpoodle.com/images/TinfoilHatDoggy3.jpg On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Here you go: > > http://www.amazon.com/Point-Ringo-Starr/dp/B0001JXPSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=12684

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Point-Ringo-Starr/dp/B0001JXPSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1268426573&sr=8-1 On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > That's a low blow. Funny, but low. :) > > And the point is indeed mute. When you find me a point that speaks, > I'll ch

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Michael Dinowitz
That's a low blow. Funny, but low. :) And the point is indeed mute. When you find me a point that speaks, I'll change my argument. > Judah, > > You forget the biggest craven phrase so far: > > "As reported by Fox News..." ~| Wa

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread morgan l
"but uhm..." (anybody catch How I Met Your Mother a few weeks back?) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Dana
ooo one of my pet peeves too. I get out at least a dozen of these per issue On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I think that alleged has a very useful and commonly understood > meaning. There are far more craven phrases that didn't make his list. > > For my money, "Some sa

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Judah, You forget the biggest craven phrase so far: "As reported by Fox News..." On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I think that alleged has a very useful and commonly understood > meaning. There are far more craven phrases that didn't make his list. > > For my money, "S

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-loss-for-words/17374 > > >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
I think that alleged has a very useful and commonly understood meaning. There are far more craven phrases that didn't make his list. For my money, "Some say" is way worse. "Some say"? Who is this "some"? And phrases which have no concrete subject or object. "Mistakes were made". I wouldn't mind

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
No, but "alleged" is not very specific. Alleged by who? his crazy ex girlfriend? His Kindergarten teacher? The police? A district attorney? It has come to be used often as a shorthand for "charged and on trial, but not convicted yet". So SAY that. Instead, it is now used as a craven legal figl

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread G Money
By FAR my biggest pet peeve with news outlets is their insistence as adding the word "Gate" to the end of every minor scandal."TigerGate", etc. Makes me want to kick puppies. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > He missed the news word I hate most, "Ominous", espec

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Since he explicitly forbids the use of the word "alleged", I'll just have to call him a douchenozzle instead of an alleged douchenozzle . Some of those things I can kind of see the logic behind. The mispronunciations, well, you shouldn't hire people that cannot pronounce "hundred" correctly. But

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread G Money
It is a good list...but it's also micro-managing and the idea of people actually keeping score and reporting uses of the words...seems kind of stupid. This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a "must never use these words!" policy...that's kinda stupid. On Fri, Mar 12

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
He missed the news word I hate most, "Ominous", especially when uttered by a weather-drone. I think it's a good list though. News people can be pretty ridiculous in the way they talk. -Cameron On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > This topic has been burning hot across the

WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-loss-for-words/17374 ~| Wa