Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-11 Thread denstar
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > You should attempt to influence what they perceive about you in order to > influence their actions in your favor. In diplomatic terms, this means > having a diplomatic corp that is able to build trust with their counterparts > around the world

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-09 Thread Robert Munn
You should attempt to influence what they perceive about you in order to influence their actions in your favor. In diplomatic terms, this means having a diplomatic corp that is able to build trust with their counterparts around the world, using personal relationships to influence reality. Controll

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread denstar
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Robert Munn wrote: ... > Read "The Art of War" to understand why you never give the enemy any > information they can use. Technically, you want to give them *lots* of information they /think/ they can use. The idea is to get inside their OODA loop. You want them

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Vivec
So therefore NO ONE can tell you that the diplomatic leaks did not damage security, because no matter how well placed they are they would just be lying. In fact, the more credible the witness, the more likely it is to be a lie. Therefore your statement becomes irrefutable. nice. lol :-) On 8 D

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Munn
The State Department has been shuffling embassy staff all around the globe in response to this cable dump. That alone is a serious disruption in our diplomatic corps. Furthermore, do you really think Gates is going to admit that the Wikileaks dump has damaged our security? Not a chance in hell. Ca

RE: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Eric Roberts
No our politicians took care of that long ago... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:13 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you "Gates is not

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Gates is not going to concede the US has failed. After all, one guy with a $35 domain name and a keyboard can't make such a great country look like it's run by bumbling idiots." In modern politics, one must save face above everything else. So, that doesn't mean Gates is lying. It just means he

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Medic
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Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Sam
Odd how I could go to jail for downloading those files but we can't find a charge for the guy that released them. Try sharing a movie and they take your domain. Priorities. Gates is not going to concede the US has failed. After all, one guy with a $35 domain name and a keyboard can't make such a

Re: Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't agree with wikileaks releasing some of the information they have released and I also don't agree with the response from people/companies/our government to those 'leaks'. Perfect example of where neither side is right. On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Vivec wrote: > > http://gizmodo.com/

Why the reaction of governments to wikileaks should scare the hell out of you

2010-12-08 Thread Vivec
http://gizmodo.com/5709194/the-reaction-of-governments-to-wikileaks-should-scare-the-hell-out-of-you Wikileaks is a flawed endeavor represented publicly by a smug egotist. But it deserves the respect and support of anyone who prioritizes the privacy of individuals over that of governments. For t