Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread William H. Bowen
TED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > I thought that dual citizenship wasn't legal in the US. > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Cert

RE: Beers (was: World Surrenders Sovereignty)

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
Canada has less than the one that comes from Ireland. > -Original Message- > From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:59 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Beers (was: World Surrenders Sovereignty) > > Nope according to t

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:10 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > > In college we would pull a nasty trick on US teams visiting us for a > > fencing > > tournament. We would take them out the night befor

RE: Beers (was: World Surrenders Sovereignty)

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
Nope according to this its only 5 http://brewery.org/brewery/library/AlClbinger.html >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/02 01:42PM >>> That isn't that much, I usually drink Guinness, Draft claims to 8-10% > > it starts at 5 and goes up from there. > > larry > > > That is because they would use bee

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
That isn't that much, I usually drink Guinness, Draft claims to 8-10% > > it starts at 5 and goes up from there. > > larry > > > That is because they would use beer. What is the alcohol content of > > Canadian beer? > > > > I don't drink it very often. _

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > That is because they wou

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > From what I remember of my history, most of Europe was > > against Britain during the US War for Independence. > > So it took most of Europe to beat

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
We didn't have a navy back then. England wouldn't let us. > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:44 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > No. W

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
Just goes to show how well you were doing without us. We come in. End of war. (And again, not our war). Whine Whine Whine. You are starting to sound French. (not really, just kidding) =) Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/02 11:33AM >>> > :) Damn brits just cant get over the fact we

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
there is a war going on in a land you have never been to and may not know is there, would you be ready to go? > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:34 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrende

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
atley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
That is because they would use beer. What is the alcohol content of Canadian beer? I don't drink it very often. > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:10 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Su

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
They didn't have one President; Jefferson Davis was the president of the south. But the North didn't recognize the south. The north considered it a rebel uprising. The south considered it as the Federal Government overstepping its bounds. > So, if you was 2 countries, how could Lincoln effect th

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Howie Hamlin wrote: > I thought you sold us New Amsterdam That was the name then, but I was unsure if everybody would recognize it. Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fu

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
ssage - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > :) yes we got into the war in 1941 but from 1939 the USA was > > suppo

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> From what I remember of my history, most of Europe was > against Britain during the US War for Independence. So it took most of Europe to beat us then? Even better Philip Arnold Technical Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 Fax: +44

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
f you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** > -Original Message- > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 July 2002 17:03 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > > Bill Wheatley > Senior Database

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
I thought you sold us New Amsterdam - Original Message - From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > Philip Arnold - ASP wrot

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereign

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:44 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Christopher Olive
ah. i believe my reply would be "betraying how provincial he is for a better tommorrow?" :) -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty sorry but the Ca

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> No. We first sold you New York and then supported the > Americans in their war for independence :) So, they couldn't get the job done on their own... Riight Philip Arnold Technical Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 Fax: +44

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> :) Damn brits just cant get over the fact we kicked the cr!p > out of them and bailed their butt out of WW2. j/k Just a point on this The US has been late to both World Wars... World War I started on July 28, 1914 (Austria-Hungary declares war on Russia) August 4, 1914 Britain declares war on

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Philip Arnold - ASP wrote: >>Sure it would, we would just be speaking French or Spanish. >>The British Colonies were the smaller than the French and >>Spanish. There were colonies here from the Middle East and >>the Netherlands. > > > But the Independence was from England, right? So the British

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
om: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:27 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > I was considered "born birth abroad" my parents weren't > suposed be up there for long..a 2 year stint tu

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
ou get american citizenship, then the other. other countries don't require the forswearing bit. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:06 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty even though you're

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Olive [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:24 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > you

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Christopher Olive
you get american citizenship, then the other. other countries don't require the forswearing bit. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:06 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty even though you'r

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> but your beer tastes like p!ss j/k They only think that because they can taste the beer - in the US 90% of a beer is the head Philip Arnold Technical Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 Fax: +44 (0)20 8686 7911 www.aspmedia.co.uk ww

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:04 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrend

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> Neither did we, the Civil War came years later. The country was there, > and there were many more states. I think around 30 states, but I could > be wrong. And it became two countries: The USA and the CSA (Confederated > States of America) They setup a Constitution just like the USA, except > sl

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> > Part of Great Britain... Only recently got their own assembly, but > > still governed by the one in London > > But what about all the wars fought with them over their independence? The last war between England and Scotland was in the 1700's, around the time the US was being "formed"... So the

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:02 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > &g

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > A friend of mine who is also from Canada put it be

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
02, 2002 10:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > me too except I got the duelly citizenship! > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/02 10:50AM >>> > Who ever said I was American? I'm a legal resident, aka > Fros

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Kevin Gilchrist
Sure it is, I have dual US/Irish citizenship. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:58 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty I thought that dual citizenship wasn't legal in the US. larry -- La

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:57 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders So

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > m

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > A friend of mine who is also from Canada put it best, Canadians are just > like Americans, we just have a lot more class and we dress better. > > larry > &

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
But what about all the wars fought with them over their independence? > Part of Great Britain... Only recently got their own assembly, but still > governed by the one in London > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > >

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
Russia than from England. You guys just pissed off the founding fathers. Got 'em all riled up and looking for a fight. > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:37 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject:

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > :) canadians > > Bill Wheatley > Senior Database Developer > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > EDIETS.COM > 954.360.9022 X159 > ICQ 417645 > - Original Message - >

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > Who ever said I was American? I'm a legal resident, aka Frostback (Canadian > living in the US). > > Actually the War of 1812 was a real war - the Congress issued a declaration > of war etc. As for b

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
OTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > Been to the midwest latelyunless your not talkin about the major cities > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/02/02 10:37AM >>> > :) if you compound New York state down you

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:45 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > some american you are :P > > and i was referenceing the Revolutionary war, war of 18

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Michael Ross
OTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > Right, but you made a remark about the US being so young - > > well the US has been around far longer than a hundred years. > > Less than 250 isn't it? If memory serves

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> There is no difference between northen and southern Irish > except their religion and loyalties. BTW - according to the > BBC, unless you are Welch you are not British either: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_2076000/2076470.stm We don't welch on any bills BTW, it's Welsh

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> > The Irish aren't British - they're a different country... > > The Northern Irish are, but the people who are fighting for > > the UK government to be out aren't > > What about Scotland? Part of Great Britain... Only recently got their own assembly, but still governed by the one in London Phi

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sov

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
- Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > At the end of the Revolutionary way, many countries were rea

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > Right, but you made a remark about t

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
> Apart from we didn't have a war about it first Neither did we, the Civil War came years later. The country was there, and there were many more states. I think around 30 states, but I could be wrong. And it became two countries: The USA and the CSA(Confederated States of America) They setup a C

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> Sure it would, we would just be speaking French or Spanish. > The British Colonies were the smaller than the French and > Spanish. There were colonies here from the Middle East and > the Netherlands. But the Independence was from England, right? So the British colonies kicked ass over there P

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Kevin Gilchrist
y 02, 2002 10:24 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty The US does not support and has never supported the IRA. Some private citizens (who should be arrested) support the IRA. And, I'm sure that IRA supporters come from other countries as well. - Original Mes

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:24 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > The US does not support and has never supported the IRA. > Some private citizens (who should be arrested) suppo

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
quot;CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > At the same time the entire thing would not have lasted very long if it were > not for all the financial su

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
What about Scotland? > The Irish aren't British - they're a different country... The Northern > Irish are, but the people who are fighting for the UK government to be > out aren't __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
- Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > Right, but you made a remark about the US being so young

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Larry Lyons
done. -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:10 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > > Bill Wheatley > Senior Database Developer > Macromedia Certified

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> At the end of the Revolutionary way, many countries were ready to send > 13 Delegates to the new states. Until came together and barely decided > to be one country. Or at least have one body that worked with other > countries, known as the Federal Government. > > It is the same thing that is now

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> Right, but you made a remark about the US being so young - > well the US has been around far longer than a hundred years. Less than 250 isn't it? If memory serves me, 1776 (or there abouts), so that makes it 226 years old as a country > Don't twist my words around - you said that we (US) fough

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
> And if it wasn't for British colonization, then the US wouldn't exist > Sure it would, we would just be speaking French or Spanish. The British Colonies were the smaller than the French and Spanish. There were colonies here from the Middle East and the Netherlands. _

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
uly 02, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > That's irrelevant. The USSR was a super power only 20 years ago. > > But they're now loads of really small, not powerful, countries... Oh, > and very poor too > > > > So, just because America is

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
- Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > That's irrelevant. The USSR was a super power only

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> That's irrelevant. The USSR was a super power only 20 years ago. But they're now loads of really small, not powerful, countries... Oh, and very poor too > > So, just because America is "big and strong" you think it > > should be the center of the world? > > Ever hear of British colonializatio

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Nick McClure
uly 02, 2002 5:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > Not wishing to start another type of flame war on this, but America has > only been around for a couple of hundred years - most of the countries > in Europe have existed in their present form for

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Howie Hamlin
- Original Message - From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > And its in Europe. America might have its problems but Eu

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Wheatley
ROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty > > And its in Europe. America might have its problems but Europe > > is even more arrogant than us and they're trying so very hard &g

RE: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-02 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> And its in Europe. America might have its problems but Europe > is even more arrogant than us and they're trying so very hard > to stand up and say "we're someone". America is not an equal > in this. Not wishing to start another type of flame war on this, but America has only been around for a

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Nick McClure wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20020701/ts_nm > /news_un_court_dc_1 Maybe it is time I give some background on my opinion on the ICC instead of just questioning the opinion of others :) My main point: what's the big deal? What really changes? Doe

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Jon Hall
Basically the goals are great, but I think it is ahead of it's time. It won't work in the real world...yet. jon - Original Message - From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
http://www.debka.com 1 July: The international war crimes court was born in The Hague Monday, July 1 amid serious challenges to its authority. A few hours earlier, Sunday June 30, the United States announced its withdrawal from the international peacekeeping force in Bosnia unless the UN Securi

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Bottom line for everything below is that we have a system of Justice and I, as an American, do not think that some other system of justice should hold sway. Any attempt to do so will deligitimize our system. > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > One easy reason; politics - Europe is both pro and afrai

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > One easy reason; politics - Europe is both pro and afraid of the Arab world (more >the latter than the former). If Iraq wants to bring America to the court, it can. That's the whole point of a court, isn't it? Just like you can sue GM as frivolously as GM can sue you.

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread William H. Bowen
l Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty > One easy reason; politics - Europe is both pro and afraid of the Arab world (more the latter than the former). If Iraq w

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
One easy reason; politics - Europe is both pro and afraid of the Arab world (more the latter than the former). If Iraq wants to bring America to the court, it can. Or at least specific Americans. Europe is also getting more and more anti-Semitic. If Saudi Arabia says they want to bring an Israe

Re: World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Nick McClure wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20020701/ts_nm > /news_un_court_dc_1 > > No sir, I don't like it. Why not? Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these li

World Surrenders Sovereignty

2002-07-01 Thread Nick McClure
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20020701/ts_nm /news_un_court_dc_1 No sir, I don't like it. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the commun