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2008-10-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > Hey Gruss, > I found Sarah Palin's reading list > http://justsayneveragain.org/allofthem.html > ROTFLOL!! THAT is awesome. (and true which means it's also terrifying) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo

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2008-10-03 Thread Maureen
Hey Gruss, I found Sarah Palin's reading list http://justsayneveragain.org/allofthem.html On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fecking lady doesn't even read the news. > > Asked what newspapers and magazines she reads, Palin - a journalism > major in

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2008-10-03 Thread Deanna Schneider
I was talking to a guy yesterday that was a former special ed teacher in Tennessee - he had a class of 54 high schoolers, all special ed. He called it glorified babysitting. Yikes. There's an example of a bad school, eh? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Maureen wrote: > Not really sure any amount o

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2008-10-02 Thread Maureen
Not really sure any amount of parental involvement could help this one. The Clayton County schools lost accreditation because of the incompetent and corruption of the school board. It was so bad that the Governor removed most of the board members for violation of the Georgia Code of Ethics. Admi

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2008-10-02 Thread Dana
my experience is that at the really bad schools, they are not interested in your involvement. At least not according to my definition of involvement. They want you to tell the child that the schools is right. Even when it is not. Suggestions on the other hand are not welcome and are met with much e

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2008-10-02 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The data are quite clear on this, there's a very strong relationship > between academic achievement and parental involvement. I suspect that it > would even overcome buggered schools. > That's certainly the feeling I have a

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2008-10-02 Thread Larry Lyons
>It helps to have parental involvement and often parents who get >involved can force changes where the teachers fail. But even the best >of parents can't help in situation where the bureaucracy has destroyed >the school system, like the current mess in Clayton County, Georgia >where the schools ju

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2008-10-02 Thread Maureen
It helps to have parental involvement and often parents who get involved can force changes where the teachers fail. But even the best of parents can't help in situation where the bureaucracy has destroyed the school system, like the current mess in Clayton County, Georgia where the schools just lo

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2008-10-02 Thread G Money
I've always thought that parents make the ultimate difference. If parents are engaged in their child's education, their child will generally be able to learn (ie. the school and teachers are generally good and willing to teach, if they have a child who is willing to learn) What do you think, Maure

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
They're all different and controlled by the states or are you suggesting we socialize them? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My answer was more along the lines of refusing to be a victim, but it > is true that the first school I attended in the US was a college. I

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
As a former teacher, I have a long list of suggestions on how to improve the educational system in this country - starting with removing politics and unions from the process. But I've long since stopped discussing it. It makes my ulcers bleed. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTE

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
My answer was more along the lines of refusing to be a victim, but it is true that the first school I attended in the US was a college. I do think that there are some terrible terrible schools out there, though -- had an opportunity to explore the abysses as a parent. But it is my turn to say that

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
It's not necessary to have attended school in the US to be a victim of the US educational system. Our entire culture is defined by those who failed to receive an adequate education, and now inflict their ignorance on the rest of us. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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2008-10-01 Thread Tony
nope. not me ? -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aren't we all? > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ms. Palin is a vic

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2008-10-01 Thread Tony
espn.com cnn.com drudgereport.com cf-community (best around) sbynews.com msnbc.com noaa.gov new york times (ipod) wwtdd.com thats about it -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
nope... sorry. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aren't we all? > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ms. Palin is a victim of the US educational system. > > ~~

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
oh and I have 10-15 online subscriptions and about as many agents set up ::shrug:: just to show it can be done off the top of the head -- I get headlines from the Bloomberg, Marketwatch, the Washington Post, the Miami Herald and the New England Journal of Medicine. Also the San Diego paper -- can'

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
Wow, is that a backhanded compliment. I'm stunned. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not educated at all. > It's based on emotion created by believing or wanting to believe the lies. > She expresses many educated opinions here. This isn't one of them and > it takes

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
Of course it is. The US has the bestest educational system in the Universe. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More "America sux" from the Obama camp? > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Dana wrote: >>> ummm if a candidate fo

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
Aren't we all? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ms. Palin is a victim of the US educational system. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Ge

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
I *do* read my news at Google news. Often the top two or three stories on a given topic at a particular point in time, or more if I have time and am interested. Some topics I skip altogether as I have no interest in MLB or Tom Cruise's parenting skills. For example. But I'm able to name specific so

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
It's called sarcasm, and it's based on her purported desire to ban books she didn't like. And I qualified it with a maybe. Geez, you guys take yourselves so seriously. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't say you did hate the person. > But saying as a candidat

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., today told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the American people don't know much about Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "and she is now being thrust on a stage without a script and everyone is curious about how much she knows." More pointedly, McCaskill said of Palin's opponent

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
More "America sux" from the Obama camp? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dana wrote: >> ummm if a candidate for national office isn't reading the news, that's >> an issue. How could it not be? > > Ms. Palin is a victim of the US educational system. > ~~

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
Not educated at all. It's based on emotion created by believing or wanting to believe the lies. She expresses many educated opinions here. This isn't one of them and it takes away from the others. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's not hate ;) it's an educated

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
Didn't you say you read Google news? Isn't that ALL of it? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ummm if a candidate for national office isn't reading the news, that's > an issue. How could it not be? Can you just imagine a foreign envoy > asking her for her opinion on

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
It seems likely actually that she does not. Have you watched the interview with Katie Couric? Look at Palin's face when Couric asks her if the 700 billion wouldn't be better spent on tangible goods. She has no idea why Couric is even asking. I submit that it is one thing to be familiar with mainstr

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the second time today someone from the right has accused me of > hate. Is that the new talking point? Accuse anyone who disagrees > with you of being a hater? I have backup :) Must be true. > I don't hate Sarah Palin as

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2008-10-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > ummm if a candidate for national office isn't reading the news, that's > an issue. How could it not be? Ms. Palin is a victim of the US educational system. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important

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2008-10-01 Thread Robert Munn
Are you such a sucker for the Obama campaign that you swallow their inference (a la Gruss) that she doesn't get any news? It is so obviously foolish I can't believe you all are buying it. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Dana wrote: > ummm if a candidate for national office isn't reading the news

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
Based on the interview of McCain I heard this morning, I believe it is. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the second time today someone from the right has accused me of > hate. Is that the new talking point? Accuse anyone who disagrees > with you of bein

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
that's not hate ;) it's an educated opinion :) On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why so much hate? > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> More than likely she watches Fox News and Focus on Family. Or a >> couple of NRA rags like

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
ummm if a candidate for national office isn't reading the news, that's an issue. How could it not be? Can you just imagine a foreign envoy asking her for her opinion on x and she says I will try to find some and bring them back to you? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
That's the second time today someone from the right has accused me of hate. Is that the new talking point? Accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a hater? I don't hate Sarah Palin as a person. I just find her political view, attitude and incompetence to be total conflict with my opinions

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
Why so much hate? On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More than likely she watches Fox News and Focus on Family. Or a > couple of NRA rags like Americas First Freedom or American Hunter. > Or maybe she just banned all printed word from her sight. > ~

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2008-10-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > But choosing not to answer doesn't make her an idiot How so? If she didn't want to answer she could say, "I don't want to advertise for ..." But it was crickets. Or worse. She said, "all of them" That's the answer of someone who doesn't read news. Or doesn't read anything she

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
No, it just leaves the question wide open for her opponents to speculation about when it could have been answered in 10 seconds. Maybe not an idiot, but not very politically savvy either. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But choosing not to answer doesn't make her

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
More than likely she watches Fox News and Focus on Family. Or a couple of NRA rags like Americas First Freedom or American Hunter. Or maybe she just banned all printed word from her sight. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> That is nothing bu

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
But choosing not to answer doesn't make her an idiot that doesn't know the name of any news publications as gg representing the Obama campaign stated. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are plenty of things to disagree with her on. And I'm pretty sur

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2008-10-01 Thread Judah McAuley
There are plenty of things to disagree with her on. And I'm pretty sure that this list has discussed several of them. As for why this is an issue, I personally think it is important to know where my leaders (or potential leaders) get their information from. It helps shape their world view. If you

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
How can you even make an issue out of this? Is there nothing else you can attack her for? She's against gay marriage, that's a real issue. Wait, so is Obama, nevermind. Carry on. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yep those are the latest talking points all right.

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2008-10-01 Thread Dana
yep those are the latest talking points all right. Do you seriously think *ANY* publication would be cosidered unworthy? Suppose she claimed to read the Economist and the Wall Street Journal? Who could have proved otherwise? on another note, Couric seems well on her way to dispelling her image as

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2008-10-01 Thread Maureen
There is probably an equal number of non-whites who won't vote for McCain because he's an old white guy. Or sexists who won't vote for Palin because she's a woman. Bias exists. I myself have a strong bias against stupidity - hence my extreme dislike of the Shrub. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:55 AM,

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2008-10-01 Thread Loathe
Yeah the 'southern democrat' thing is kind of weird. Erika L. Walker wrote: > That's precisely the case. Precisely. > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've heard that too. It's usually democrats that are pissed they have to >> vote R. >> Really. >> >> > >

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2008-10-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
That's precisely the case. Precisely. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've heard that too. It's usually democrats that are pissed they have to > vote R. > Really. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 so

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2008-10-01 Thread Sam
I've heard that too. It's usually democrats that are pissed they have to vote R. Really. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it is gel. > ask any of the walmart brigade idiots around my hometown > and the first thing you'll hear is: "i aint votin for that ni**er" > >

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2008-10-01 Thread Billy Cox
;, and those are the polite terms. I don't personally use the word except to point out the fact that those terms are not dead. -Original Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: O. M. G. Did you reall

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2008-10-01 Thread Jerry Johnson
I read that as quoting "those who can't see themselves" On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you really just use the word negro in normal conversation? > > Billy Cox wrote: > > If you're running against a black candidate, maybe you have to nominate a > VP > > t

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2008-10-01 Thread Larry Lyons
>And you're in the North! That part of Maryland is similar to the South than the north. Its more akin to eastern North Carolina than the rest of Maryland. > >It's a bit worse here in the southern "North Georgia Mountains ..." where >the racial makeup of the county, as of 2000, was 97.94% White,

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2008-10-01 Thread Larry Lyons
>That is nothing but a gotcha question. If she names a publication Couric >deems "unworthy", she gets bashed. If she declines to name a publication, >she gets bashed. > >That is a pathetic excuse for journalism. How does this follow? She was asked a very simple question that anyone with a first g

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2008-10-01 Thread Loathe
; From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:53 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: O. M. G. > > > Just saying what people outside the US see this as: > racism. > > They view the other ticket as being so completely ludicrous that the o

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2008-10-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > That is nothing but a gotcha question. If she names a publication Couric > deems "unworthy", she gets bashed. If she declines to name a publication, > she gets bashed. > > That is a pathetic excuse for journalism. > How about the WSJ? Let's say she said, the WSJ and the WaPo. W

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2008-10-01 Thread G Money
I'm sure there are some, but you have to discredit them as loons and separate them from the people who are voting for McCain for more appropriate reasons. I mean, I'm sure some black people will vote for Obama simply because of the color of his skin, but I'm not about to lump ALL Obama supporters

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2008-10-01 Thread Billy Cox
Are you suggesting that the 'liberal media' and school desegregation haven't eradicated racial hatred? ;) -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:54 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: O. M. G. it is gel. ask any of the

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2008-10-01 Thread Billy Cox
If you're running against a black candidate, maybe you have to nominate a VP that can relate to those who can't see themselves voting for a Negro. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:53 AM To: cf-community Subject: R

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2008-10-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
I don't think it's "ALL" people, but it's definitely "SOME" people. And I've heard a few from around here cite that as a reason to vote for McCain. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:53 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree with these folks on the issues this time around, but I know for > a >

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2008-10-01 Thread G Money
Weird, the people I talk too who are voting for McCain cite his experience, his tougher approach to foreign policy (perceived or otherwise), his tax plan, etc. I disagree with these folks on the issues this time around, but I know for a FACT that none of them are racists, and it kind of ticks me o

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2008-10-01 Thread Erika L. Walker
And you're in the North! It's a bit worse here in the southern "North Georgia Mountains ..." where the racial makeup of the county, as of 2000, was 97.94% White, 0.58% Black or African American, 0.25% Native American, 0.23% Asian ... I hear stuff like that all the time. :( And for the record, I a

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2008-10-01 Thread Tony
the best one ive heard is... "im not votin for no coon with a middle name like hussein" i do not condone this in anyway, i just think its such good comedy, that the morons here have YET to get over this shit... -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddha

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2008-10-01 Thread Tony
it is gel. ask any of the walmart brigade idiots around my hometown and the first thing you'll hear is: "i aint votin for that ni**er" and im not kidding -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Vivec <[E

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2008-10-01 Thread G Money
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just saying what people outside the US see this as: > racism. > > They view the other ticket as being so completely ludicrous that the > only reason people > would vote for them if undecided is racism, or utter stupidity. > Then t

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2008-10-01 Thread G Money
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously. Give me a show of hands. Who thinks this lady is > qualified to be president? > *raised hand* ME! I'd never vote for her, or any ticket with her on it, but do I think she's "qualified"...? Yep. Qualification

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2008-10-01 Thread denstar
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > That is nothing but a gotcha question. > That is a pathetic excuse for journalism. Voter questions: The new gotcha questions! Can't win for trying, I hear it. =] -- Blame the media! (BEER COMMERCIALS)

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2008-10-01 Thread Vivec
Just saying what people outside the US see this as: racism. They view the other ticket as being so completely ludicrous that the only reason people would vote for them if undecided is racism, or utter stupidity. 2008/10/1 Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The lady - a VP candidate - can't name 1

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2008-10-01 Thread Robert Munn
That is nothing but a gotcha question. If she names a publication Couric deems "unworthy", she gets bashed. If she declines to name a publication, she gets bashed. That is a pathetic excuse for journalism. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Gruss wrote: > The fecking lady doesn't even read the new

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2008-09-30 Thread Maureen
I think so many people are willing to accept Palin because Bush has set the bar so low. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously. Give me a show of hands. Who thinks this lady is > qualified to be president? ~

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2008-09-30 Thread Gruss Gott
The fecking lady doesn't even read the news. Asked what newspapers and magazines she reads, Palin - a journalism major in college - could not name one publication. "I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media," she said. Couric responded, "What, speci

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2002-03-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
11:28 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > > > > Might have something to do with this: > > http://www.defense-aerospace.com/afp/defense/020327103551.upr7u3hk.html > > If its true that they have a missle base then I can see why

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Corrigan
45 PM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g This article dated August 18, 2001, before 9/11 for you yahoos, mentions the $25,000 Saddam reward and mentions strains between Saudi Arabia and the US http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/saudi010813.html jon - Original Message -

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2002-03-27 Thread Jon Hall
AIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > I guess I just don't understand why, rather than comment on the report itself, you (and Gel since he began this aspect of the thread) would rather ma

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
Yeah, if the Red Queen from Alice had sold that stuff, she would have bellowed "All ways are Amways" > -Original Message- > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:08 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > >

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2002-03-27 Thread BethF
o: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 6:21 AM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > It wasn't a personal attack. I made no comments about YOU. I only made comments on what you've been saying. If that's a personal attack, then every post here

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2002-03-27 Thread Lon Lentz
Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:28 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > Might have something to do with this: > http://www.defense-aerospace.com/afp/defense/020327103551.upr7u3hk.html > If its true that they have a missle base then I can see why the > U

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
Texas Frontier diplomacy? (No subtlety, just lots of ammo.) -Ben > -Original Message- > From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:16 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > I had heard a report that Cheney

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2002-03-27 Thread Larry Lyons
://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:19 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > La

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
magnitude. -Ben > -Original Message- > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 6:30 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > But you neglected to mention that he was giving US encryption > secrets to a

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2002-03-27 Thread Larry Lyons
http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -Original Message- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:18 AM > To: CF-Community > Subj

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > I guess I just don't understand why, rather than comment on > the report itself, you (and Gel since he began this aspect of > the thread) would rather make totally unrelated comments on > how you might possibly suspect that

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
m: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:01 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/martyr_3-19.html > > Looks like PBS believes Iraq is

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
6 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > Also by placing misinformation into the media from somewhere > in the fringes, > such as an Australian newspaper, or one in Bangkok etc, its > more likely to > be deemed credible by the public - and less error che

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
Larry- re: the old Soviet propaganda machine, read (or re-read) the short story "Pravda Means Truth" by Robert Heinlein. -Ben > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:56 AM > To: CF-Community >

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2002-03-27 Thread Braver, Ben
your butt.) -Ben > -Original Message- > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 2:22 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > I'd say thats pretty much spot on. > > So come on. Why not include Saudi

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2002-03-27 Thread Lon Lentz
age- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:01 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/martyr_3-19.html > Looks like PBS believes Iraq is giving mon

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/martyr_3-19.html Looks like PBS believes Iraq is giving money as shown in the above interview. Again, no mention of our Saudi allies. __ Get the mailserver that powers this

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Corrigan
Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: RE: o .. m .. g Its inserted in an obscure Australian paper, they submit the material to the wire services etc, where its picked up by other papers and news media. Within a few days it can be reprinted in

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2002-03-27 Thread Larry Lyons
- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:26 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > I guess I just don't understand why, rather than comment on > the report itself, you (and Gel since he began this aspec

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
> Howie > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > > A spy for a friendly country

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2002-03-27 Thread Howie Hamlin
Big distinction - Pollard was working for the military - he wasn't some foreign attache... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:02 AM Subjec

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
gt; > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 27 March 2002 14:03 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > > > > Of course they are. So's England, Australia and every other > >

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2002-03-27 Thread Howie Hamlin
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > A spy for a friendly country retrieving information held back against treaty is >still a spy. But why is he still in the hardest jail around for 17 years when real spys for

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Corrigan
x - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: RE: o .. m .. g I am not saying its true or untrue. Until there is independent confirmation it is suspect. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer C

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2002-03-27 Thread Rich Wild
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 27 March 2002 14:03 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > Of course they are. So's England, Australia and every other > ally we have (as well as enemy). And we spy on them. It's the > nature of the ga

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2002-03-27 Thread Todd
Well, that's cause we are the U.S. ;) Todd - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > Of course they are. So'

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2002-03-27 Thread Larry Lyons
gt; 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > - Original Message - > From: Larry Lyons > To: CF-Community > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:55 AM > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > Also by placing misinformation into the media from > somewhere i

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Corrigan
From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: RE: o .. m .. g Also by placing misinformation into the media from somewhere in the fringes, such as an Australian newspaper, or one in Bangkok etc, its more likely to be deemed credible by the pu

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
.. they still are :) > > Todd > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > > > > A s

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2002-03-27 Thread Larry Lyons
, 2002 6:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > > > *folds arms* > > Propaganda IS as Propaganda does! > > -Gel > > > -Original Message- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Gel- > > then why was it f

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2002-03-27 Thread Michael Corrigan
rch 26, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: RE: o .. m .. g What makes you think he is even thinking of that? He could simply be just carrying out HIS country's policies of supporting those who attack their enemies. Which would of course be in direct opposition to Western policies... -Gel

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2002-03-27 Thread Todd
s, Isreal has been spying on us for a long time .. they still are :) Todd - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: o .. m .. g > A

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2002-03-27 Thread Todd
then that would be option b .. very serious Todd - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: RE: o .. m .. g > What makes you think he is e

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